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So then... in theory, if aliens were proven to be existant, then the bible is wrong?

indecisiveman, you are just a typical devout believer. I respect that, but I also despise it. Because, as CaptainWill stated earlier. If scientists and people during the scientific revolution did not achieve some of the wonderful and enlightening discoveries. We would most likely still be in a fuedal age.

Also, if it wasn't for the ignorant and P.O.S. beliefs during The Dark Ages imagine at how our world would be. If we had just kept on advancing in the sciences, arts, and many other great things around 300 B.C.E. (Noticed how I used Before Common Era).We would have most likely surpassed the knowledge of today by leaps and bounds.

What I am ranting on and trying to say is. People that are as devout and dedicated to religion as you are.... well... people like you are hopeless because you will never step outside of the box to question the world around you. You will just stay protected in your little box (Christianity) and will only scowl people for asking questions about yours(or other's) beliefs.

I remember studying about an old Philosopher who was put to death just becuase he asked questions. And, I would much rather die trying to just further my knowledge of the world around us rather than live in the binding restraints of organised religion.

I am not an Aethiest, but I am agnostic.

If you ask me, he does make a rather good point.

Who, indecisive or dark? I think dark.

Well, I am very intrigued by the world around us. There is so much that we have yet to discover. There are many things that we cannot explain but are indeed "believed" to be factual. Theoretical pretty much hit the nail on the head by talking about gravity. We have on conecption of how or why it works in the fashion that id does. But, it is there and we know it.

But, that is where religion fails to me. I just can't picture 40+ authors of the bible to refer to an almighty omniscent figure above us all who just one day felt as if he wanted to "create" a universe. I find that idea hysterical. It is just funny to me.

There are many, many holes in "all" beliefs. Which is why we still have these petty topics that are always being remade with a new title. But, they always fall back onto Aethiesm vs. Religion...

But, I have one question for indecisiveman. What makes your beliefs, god, religion more viable than anybody elses? I mean, aren't all religions saying that their god or religion is better than the others, and that their god is the only true being? This is what I have noticed from time and time again. This is also funny to me that someone's beliefs are better or more "correct" than others.

I also hear this as an answer. I have faith.

THe Bible doesn't say anything about aliens, but whether the aliens exist or not is not what the Bible is about. So if they do exist, great! If not, great as well! Eitherway, neither would corroborate or refute the Bible in any ways since it really has no relevance to what the Bible is about anyhow.

I am thankful for Millenium.

MA, everything you say about these topics are great. You are one of the people that could possibly convince me to be "religious" again. Because, when you do speak about the bible, your not talking as if that is your one and only source of information. I just want to thank you for not being an ignorant fool about these things. You are one of the few religious people that I have talked to that will tell it as it is and will listen to other people's side. So, well.... Thanks!

Grammatical Error >.<

Well, Religions are like fads.
As we pass through time, different ones seem to be more or less "rediculous". Part of being such a self-blinded Christian is belief in the fact that this time, this one time, oneself will be correct, and will not make the mistake of the past peoples of believing in a false religion.
Part of human nature is thinking that, despite how many times others have been wrong or failed at something, you know better then them, and thus will be correct where they were wrong.

Well, this is going to be a one word response....

Amen.

heres something weird i think it looks like jesus

And what in bloody hell does that have to do with the topic?

Well that was relevant.

Ok, this is an old topic, so to end it up:

It doesn't matter if you believe in god; he believes in you.

-OR-

It wasn't god who created men, it were men who created god.

-OR-

Programer = God. He can create worlds, knows everything about them, and can do everything in them. If the universe was a computer, programers were gods.



But you know what's most important? not hate each other because of out beliefs.

No, I think to sum it up would be, you can't prove that god existed, but if you do believe there is a god, thats your belief and theres nothing wrong with believing or not believing in a god.

Yes, whatever you believe in is what you believe in. No one can coerce each other to change their stances.

And ty for that adulation, dark,

mp)bounder, i tried that and it looked like a... ghost to me. A freaky ghost... lol

ur supposed to see jesus if u have ur eyes closed enough
it scared me

Omg, thats just some illusion trick, I bet they can make you see any image using something like that. Like that one where you stare at the American Flag but with like inverted colors for a long time, then look at something white and you see the flag with red, white, and blue.

Nvm, it's not a ghost, it's jesus!

Yea, i didnt follow the instructions all the way through. I kept my eyes open

God does not exist from a scientific point of view because as mapamakers would say "show me the map!" scientists say "show me the proof!". And there is no proof.

God is ABLE to be proven that he exists, but you CAN'T disprove it because of faith. Infact, with faith, you can't be proven wrong on ANYTHING. Yes, take that literally.

Exaclty. Just like creationists can't prove that evolution never occurred. Even if there is much more viable information that backs up evolution, there are still many holes in each belief...

alpha is right u cant disprove anything about god.

But you can't prove God either. And to rational/logical thinkers relying on the scientific method, the disproof of god is in the fact that there is no proof (of god). We can prove evoultion, but we can't prove creation, only attempt to disprove evolution and by that way try to fall into the either-or fallacy in thinking. There is not only two choices, A and B, so by saying the Big Bang is flawed, that does not prove God.

"If it exists, it can be proven.
If it doesn't exist, it can't be proven.
If it exists, it can't be disproven.
If it doesn't exist, it can't be disproven."

To disprove is to find proof of non-existance, and it's impossible to prove anything about anything that doesn't exist, and it is only possible to prove that which does exist.