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Ok, I think that some of the things said in this topic have kind of gotten out of hand. I would just like to state my beliefs.
1. Nothing in the universe has any real basis, there is no right/wrong, everything is as it realtes to everything else.
2. Because there is no absolute in the universe, there can be no absolute beliefs or even feelings. The feeling of love is the relationship of pheremones mixed with the history you have known that person. Which can be based in how you percieved the significant other, which can be based in how that lover relates to the rest of your memory.
3. The only reason science works is because it bases it's theories on the connections between things, granted there are many scientist who believe in absolutes. If a theory does not work when applied to a circumstance where it should work, the theory is thrown out and replaced with a new one that would better represent the ties between that phenomena and others that it also adheres to.

I know many of you probably disagree with my beliefs, but these, and probably a few others, are what have helped me understand what I do today.

The main reason why I agree with the theory that nothing is real is because the universe is infinite... But thats impossible... Inifinity shouldn't exist.

Why shouldn't infinity exist?

Actually, by logic, the universe cannot infnitely exist, as you say it.
If you want me to say the simple proof on why the universe was created into something from out of nothing, please ask or pm.

*Asks for a PM*

Anything you believe in is real.

To you maybe, but not everyone. There is a true reality, wether we know it or not, is what's up to debate. Just because you believe in something, doesn't mean it's a proven fact.

A proven fact doesn't make it real.

Well, it makes it more real than you just believing you're right. (Considering you don't use proof on your belief)

You can't be more real, since real isn't tanigble. Have you ever gone up to someone and say "I'm more real then you!' The human language is a minsconception in itself.

I just think it's weird that we are able to think up things that aren't real. Like imagination, I sort of feel like god. I can think of things that aren't real in my head. At least by your definitions they aren't "read" but if they aren't real how can they exist in my thoughts?

I think we got 2 diff ideas of real going on. I think they are:

The real world in our mind. (What we perceive)

And...

The real world period. (What we may never know about)

They are one and the same.

Yea I need a good definition of real to be restated.

.....are you serious? Cause they're not the same thing. Checking for sarcasm right now.

I think reality is too vague to define specifically because everyone perceives it differently.

Since the real world period is the real world in our mind. We all percieve it differently though.

That's exactly right, that's why I posted 2 diff versions of it. Next time people say real, they need to give it a little bit more detail. Cause real is a very vague word indeed.

BTW - Devlin, the real world period is not the one in our mind at all. The other one is. Read what I type.

ALL WORDS ARE VAGUE WHEN USING ONLY WORDS TO BACK THEM UP!

To define real, you would have to find something you can show as "real", and show something that is "not real", and compare the two.

But, there are two problems with this:
1) We're chatting, we can't show each other these "real" objects.
2) Most of you are questioning all possible things, so you close yourself up because there's nothing "real" you can be shown!

Not ALL words are vague when backed up by other words. As long as the words that back them up, are not vague.

Even IF all words are vague, some of them are not vague enough to really be called "vague". And by us adding in more adjectives to what real we're talking about, it makes it a little bit more concrete. So we can communicate on it a little bit better. The more concrete something is, the less opinionated it is.

BTW - Words do show you images and objects. Don't you know anything about poetry or stories?

People imagine things in poetry and stories differently, you have to be VERY specific to get people to imagine the same thing, like specific measurements, and probably the most hardest would be to describe exact colors tints/shades. And even when using measurements to describe an object people might not be able to picture the exact lenght in their mind.

Words can describe things, but they are pretty general, like if I say I see an apple, you would know what it would be, but you won't know every detail about the apple. I think though the more words and details you use to describe something you can get closer to the exact image of something. I guess it would be like how image resolution is. The higher the resolution the more detail you can get.

Exactly, the more details you add, the less vague it becomes.

Yea, but I think no matter how specific you get you can't get it exact unless you create some kind of language that is the way that describes every exact detail. Like being able to describe any point in space anywhere with ultrafine coordinates all the way to the smallest atom.

You don't breathe oxygen either. You're breathing a mixture of gases, primarily made up of nitrogen and a small amount of oxygen with a VERY small amount of argon and such. We call this mixture, air. If you were to breathe in an atmosphere made entirely of oxygen, you'd die. No holding your breath either, the pressure is different, so it would go out anyways.

According to the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, there is an infinite space in the universe and only a finite amount of planets. This cancels out and what we are seeing is the delusions of a much larger thing. (something like that, too lazy to go find it)

Does the Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy involve any actual science that is true or is it just all science fiction, and how does the book prove the universe is infinite and planets finite.