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I never do homework.
And yet I make the kids at school look like 1st graders, despite the fact that I'm more philisophicaly skilled then academically if anything. Well, not really philisophical, but that's the closest term I can think of at the moment.


Humans can't have perfection. There will always be someone that will try to take advantage of a system in an attempt to put himself higher than others.


What do you mean by "minds will be at 100%"?

The irony in this post is too great.


No I'm not. If you got a B, think about it; that's 80% of what's actually being taught. Would you be happey if someone only did 80% of the work? Like if I had a job right now and I only did 80%, would you be satisfied with it? You wouldn't be even at 90%. I think I'm actually being generous at being happy with a 90%.

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Keep it on topic please. This is "Serious Discussion", not "Anything Goes".

Now, I think that each culture seems to have its high point and low points. For example, the Chinese were once the pinnacle of science and technology, until they got lazy and became isolationists, at which point their society start going backwards. Samething for the Romans, though then again, they were all probably suffering from too much lead poisioning to think straight. So maybe this is now the time where the Western world gets lazy and everybody else catches up.

Its proven that people learn from it. You can learn otherways but if you did it you would learn that way. Hw is a way to teach people in a way that would take lesss work is all.



I meant as perfect as it would get(much better than now)



They say the average person uses 4% of there brain. The average person then will use about 95%. Thats what i was basically stating. And i used that to shorten the fact that our phisical bodies will be changed immensly. Its a proven fact the smarter you are the weaker you are phisically. But smarter>phisical strength A strong person cant beat up a person in a robitic suit made by that smart person.

My theory to being lazy.
Because we are smart we make things to help us get things done faster. Because of this we do less work. This shows us that we can do less with the invention. We make something else to do the thing with even less work. Ect.

Grades for me don't mean one iota.
I normally get C's in my class. But I have NEVER gotten anything lower than a 92.5% on a test. That one was a mistake as well, as I had missed a day, and got docked 10% Truth is is that school systems are flawed. They do not recognize actual talent.

They say? Do you have any quotes or figures from actual research? Because if we only use 4% of our brains, then I should be able to cut off 96% of your brain.

And why does smarter mean you are weaker physically? Doesn't have to be. And if you're too weak, you won't be able to build the robotic suit in the first place. There needs to be a balance. If you're smart, but not able, you ain't gonna be too successful. If you want to prove that you're smart and and able enough to build a robot, sign up on a FIRST Robotics team and try to build it. See you on the field.

Yea, the Chinese had what I called a "Great leap Backward," with their isolationism. But once they opened their doors, their economy is starting to rise. Right now, i believe China is the only country in which their economy is sorta booming.

Actually, I believe it was that people used somewhere around 15-20% of their brain power, or somewhere along those lines. And it would be incorrect to say we use 4% of our brain, its more like our brains are x % efficient, with x being the variable. We are capable of thinking at higher levels, but do not do so. And I don't think it would be safe to put a brain to 100% efficiency. Think of it as a computer. If your computer's processor was at 100%, the computer itself would a slow ass piece of shit. The point of keeping our brains at an efficiency that doesn't require our all is so that it won't overload. I mean, although we are capable of learning and thinking beyond what we learn, we're still just biological computers,. We have our own phyisical boundaries too, you know.

Oh, and have you all noticed how no one is on the topic of figuring out how America got so stupid? Yeah, just thought I should let you know...

Before talking about America:
Human's use a max of 10% of our total brain compacity. Out of what our brain is capable of multitasking, calculating, and comprehending, that is somewhere close to 4.8%(according to biology that i have studied). I have also read many times that our brains for some reason naturally limit theirselves, we don't think beyond our certain point. Ever notice when you forget something and you try to remember what it is you are trying to remember? Studies say 2 centuries ago people couldn't recover lost memories like that. Things that didn't quite go into your temporary memory bank were supposed2 be lost. They say we can now forget images and memory as they are on their way from present thought, to temporary memory and forget it, but now we can retrieve it.
Ex: You're having a conversation with one person, it is an intriuging one. Someone yells ,"Bobby, we're playing baseball at the park in 32 minutes". You quickly respond, "Uhh, yeah ok.." When your conversation is done you have forgotten what your other friend told u. We have the ability to search the lost memory banks of our temporary memory section, and remember what was lost. Scientists can't figure out why sometimes we can do this, and sometimes we can't. It's also different for people who have different base genes. But anyway, the point is our brain limits itself, and overtime it has gone bit-by-bit to increase it's capacity it is able to use. I hope my choice of words didn't confuse anyone...

About America:
America isn't dumb, we lost some of our hunger for intelligence, that's all. Now we're worried about public security, and firepower for our own defence. Money isn't too much of an american factor right now. And who is to say America isn't growing technologically. We evented XBOX I believe(an american) about 2 or 4 years before it came out. We also produced the first 3-d animatronic video enhancing program systems(PC, and Consoles). I would say America right now, is just trying to deal with poor leadership(i think our leader would be the same either way) and social life of our citizens. Not to mention America is making advances in the raising of children, not to say that other countries are not, but we are trying to make a better life for the children we are making, that is what the civilians are working on. The government is just a mess right now, too much multi-tasking and disorganization. That's basically it.

Ask me do I agree that America has declined over the past century or so? I say I agree, their progression has decreased substantially. Not to say we are dumb however.

4% was about correct, because we don't recieve every output and input and computational function of our brains all at once. Our brain is like a massive computer, it recieves input, and bases upon that and it's memory, calculates an action. If we were to use 20% of our brain, just think about 20% of the total memory you have stored, 20% of the bodily reactions you have. 20% of all that you can sense. 20% is huge.
People have been known to use more parts of their brain then they are supposed to, it's a disorder called synestesia. Basically they interpret one sense, say sight, and their brain places that sensory into two areas of sense, say sight and sound. The person now hears sound when they look at something. This has been recorded happening in all combinations of senses. And even a man who could smell and taste sight.
These people are infact using more of their brains than the rest of us. But they are not smarter, they simply recieve more input than the rest of us. They are known to be very sleepy, and have inabilities to function for long periods of time.

Just so you guys know, the "we only use X% of our brain" is entirely false. It has never been proven true, and (probably) never will be.


wikipedia.org

Okay, for those of you thinking we only use 10% of our brains, here you go:
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm

On America: It isn't much of a problem of intelligence but more of a lack of will to work. There's a general sense of "Eh, someone else will take care of it." No matter how smart you are, if you are too lazy to work, you're not going to do anything at all. Hence, the problem with America, there's probably a whole lot of smart kids, but they're too lazy to use their brains.

Exactly.
Its just that everyone has gotten so damn lazy.

i just want to know how you know that most Americans are stupid? I mean most smart kids don't leave their houses and sit at the computer all day long, so it is natural for you guys to either not see any one except the computer screen or not see any smart kids becuase they are looking at computer screens. The so called 'numb american' actually gets out of the house and socializes with people face to face while others socialize over a computer screen...

I'm just going to throw something out onto the table because I don't feel like keeping up with all the posts...

Is it smart not to exersise and eat well?
Is it smart to think other people will do it for you?
Is it smart when you decide not to question unbacked statements that will probably affect you?

Some people refer to two diffrent kinds of intelligence, "book smarts" and "street smarts" I believe "book smarts" cannot be used effectivly without solid application of "street smarts".

Chris, the average American is overwieght, no matter how often you go out to the bar, that's still not incredibly smart. Not to say there aren't many who don't fall under that catagory, but the majority does (unless statistics I've been told of are false).

I believe everyone (except those with severe mental disablities) has the capacity to be smart, so what really makes someone smart is the will to do so. Otherwise you're just like every other dead beat, only you got lucky.

Theres more things to do then going out to bars, yes the avergae american is over weight, is it smart to sit at a computer all day and eat and not have any exercise?

Well, we have to look at this logically. Brain usage? 10%? 100%? Who gives a damn? Have you ever seen someone doing something stupid, then see a dog or something and go, "hey, that dog is smarter than him/her"? Whatever amount of your brain you can potentially use doesn't really matter, its whatever part you actually apply?

Book smarts, street smarts... let's see, we have a thug who's been living on the streets and some kid who studies math all day and uses his computer. They're out late, and they're in a different place... they turn the corner and find a guy poking them in the chest with a gun demanding their wallet. Obviously, the A+ math student is screwed. The thug, on the other hand, might have the reflexes and such to disarm the man, shoot him, or otherwise get out alive. Likewise, let's put those two in a school on a major math exam. Mr. Thug was out with his crew until 2 in the morning, so he didn't get any sleep, not that he would know any of the questions anyway. On the other hand, Mr. A+ gets a perfect or near-perfect score. Is someone who pass a math exam as smart as someone who can save his life in an extremely tight situation? I'd say yes, but in different ways. So, who are the smart people? I'd say, the most well rounded individual, who apply themselves to become better in several areas. I believe Da Vinci also thought this way.

And on the subject of technology, I do believe it is making us less intelligent. All the phone numbers I use regularly are memorized. Meanwhile there are some people who simply lose all communication in that medium the moment they drop their cellphone with their address book into a bad spot. Either way, barring some physical impairment, anyone can be smart if they apply themselves with some dedication.

I read an article addressing that exact aspect of technology, the effect of technology on the brain.
It was pretty interesting, people who had quick access to large databases of information were unable to recall the information itself but they could recall where it was found. It didn't necessarily make them stupider, it made then remember a different thing.

Minimoose and Chris, please explain how that is diffrent from what I just said.
Rantent, with Historical information that's not too bad a thing, but with anything you plan to use away from the source it's terrible... People just need to think about what they're doing so they can choose what they should do with said options.

back to the smarter you are the less phisical you are. soon peoples brains will be able to communicate without speaking. Signs of this are showing up now. People will be able to create(not create but attract matter at insane rates) and make things with there mind. Thats basically what i meant. You dont have to do something phiscally to get it done. its like getting the problem 2+2=4 you dont have to count out 1 1 1 1 and then go
1 2 3 4 to find the answer.

I just explained that being physical requires you to be intelligent. You need to know how to work out, how much, what foods to eat etc.

We call that body language.

That's because you've memorised the answer. If someone were to ask me what's 92370 + 34802 I would have to add 90000 + 30000 then 2000+4000 and so on because I've never been asked the question before, I'd do it very quickly, but the fact is I still need to familiarise myself with something I've already done (I'll admit, I have a wierd way of thinking so it may just be me).

-1)Not really. People can do that without knowing why you do that. Also being intelligent doesnt require you to be physical does it. One relys on the other but intelligence is its own meaning the more intelligence you are the less physical you are.

-2)I meant if you were in chairs facing opposite eachother no mirros or anything you could have full conversations. This is apearing in twins knowing what happened to the other and many other things.

-3)Thus you memorize it and you no longer have to do anything physical to have it again making you more intelligent and needing to be less physical.

Yes really. Ask anyone who body builds, they know exactly why what they're doing works, and how they should do it, if you don't you will get seriously hurt. Human Kenetics would be the field of knowledge that lies in. The more intelligent you are in Human Kenetics, the faster and more effectivly you can build, without hurting yourself... saying you don't need to be intelligent to be healthy is like saying Bruce Lee was just another expert (don't even reply to that if you don't know what the man has accomplished other than his movies).


Don't just state it as a proven fact because you know no one will bother to check, give us a ligitiment source of this information. As far as knowing what someone else is doing that's just like mother's intuition, it's an educated guess based on what you know about the individuals behavior, nothing else unless you can explain why.


You're still sending electrical impulses to your brain to retrieve the information. The brain is a muscle like any other, you have to keep it active to work, you can forget things, so no, it doesn't just pop into your head. Take a course on it, don't just blurt out whatever come to mind please, because what you're saying is about as likly as ghosts (Boo!).

I didn't know how to answer that last point, because it was incredibly coherent, please explain what is actually happening, rather than saying something along the lines of "IT JUST DOES!". That's the kind of thinking that got people thinking they could conjure up rain just by dancing, and when it didn't work, it was because they had done something to anger the rain clouds, although they didn't know exactly what.

Hehe. Chinese pride! [wave flag]

We (Chinese) screwed up bad with communism though. Come on, there's no way anyone can be completely immune to corruption, greed, etc.

We (Americans) screwed up bad with the government too. Freedom is only relative, and Bush is basically a dictator. All you have to do is get some advertising campaigns on television and turn the majority of the population into zombies who would vote for you simply for promises of tax cuts and etc.; the script for Star Wars 3 was written BEFORE the current Bush administration rose to power, yet many of the Sith's actions run parallel with Bush. "So this is how liberty dies... to thunderous applause."

We (humans) screwed up bad with an even more major idea. Chinese, American, British, Australian, anything, do not describe who you are. We've reached the day and age where nothing predetermines how you will do in life, be it gender, race, nationality, religion/belief system, or otherwise. In the end we are all humans. Starcraft should have made this point very clear: when we're shreded to a bloody pulp, we all look the same. Unfortunately, it is very unlikely that we will be able to survive as a species to the day when we encounter aliens, because everyone looks at each other NOT as a species, but segregate each other by meaningless differences such as the factors stated above.

In conclusion, Americans have not grown stupid. The human race has not grown stupid. However, we have become lazy, arrogant, and ignorant (differs from stupid). This does not mean I'm saying that I am lazy/arrogant/ignorant personally, and I am certainly not aiming those adjectives at any of you here. However, we are still humans, and we are a species.