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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-06 at 21:09:31
QUOTE(CNN)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Federal investigators said Monday they have evidence that Middle East terrorist organizations have benefited financially from an illegal drug operation in the United States.


If you read carefully there is one single word I would like to point out. AN. That does not mean that every single drug sold goes towards terrorism.

The only way I see it happeneing like that is if a supporter of Terrorists sells illegal drugs and donates the money to them.

And besides, it's Meth that is being sold. That is the worst drug out there!

Edit: I just read more into it, and the DEA clearely states, that this was the first time this has happened.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Moonmonkey on 2005-07-06 at 21:17:03
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jul 6 2005, 08:04 PM)
Well true, but you don't get the smoke chemicals which are the most harmfull to the human body (Carbon Monoxide?  Or was it Dioxide that is in smoke? I get those two mixed up >.<)

I don't think very many drugs are run through the black market.  It is usually illegal weapons and pyrokinetics that are sold on the black market.



A, its carbon dioxide. Carbon monoxide is a lethal gas.
And I think you meant pyrotechnics, there.
And also, anything that cannot be legally bought and sold, it is available "on the black market", because if it is available at all, that would be "black market"..."black market" refers to the trade of illegal goods (weapons, drugs, people, certain vehicles, etc etc)

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QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jul 6 2005, 08:09 PM)
The only way I see it happeneing like that is if a supporter of Terrorists sells illegal drugs and donates the money to them.

And besides, it's Meth that is being sold.  That is the worst drug out there!


Or perhaps someone supporting the black market trade happens to be a leader of an islamic fanatic group, and gets a small tax on all goods traded.

Plus, opium and valiums are popular in the middle east like you wouldn't believe.

(And I still disagree with you on the "meth is the worst" thing.)




I just read an interesting quote: Instead of questioning whether it should be legal, we should be asking why it's illegal in the first place.

I want someone to respond to that particular statement with a viable reason.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-06 at 21:21:53
Well then, Drugs are on the "black market", but I would call it it's own "black market" which isn't connected to the "Black Market"

Seriously though, have of the good bud is grown insides in test tubes (Hydropon is gooooooooooooooooooooooooooood shit smile.gif)

Most your crappy is smuggled in from Mexico. Damn Mexican Dirt Weed! LOL!

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Well Opium is made in Afghanistan so... They don't need to smuggle it the middle east, it's already there lol.

Now buying Opium (None of that gay synthetic crap) would probibly support the Afghaneze government because they allow the production of it. Same with Marijuana, it's all legal over there in the Middle East.

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QUOTE(Moonmonkey @ Jul 6 2005, 06:17 PM)
I just read an interesting quote: Instead of questioning whether it should be legal, we should be asking why it's illegal in the first place.

I want someone to respond to that particular statement with a viable reason.
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I believe the government makes it illegal because they are afraid the public will learn things that they lie about, to be true (Like LSD. I heard a "Goa Trance" song called LSD by Hallucinogen, and it has some damn good points in it)

If you want me to, I will post the quotes from it smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Moonmonkey on 2005-07-06 at 21:31:27
Nonono...I want someone with an anti-drug/'Drugs are the root of all evil!" opinion to respond.

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QUOTE(ihatett @ Jul 6 2005, 08:05 PM)
Well, it's common knowledge that Islamic terrorists profit from drug traffic, but I guess it's time to own another liberal with a



Also, if you'll notice, I said..."Just kidding."

Sheesh. lol.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-07-06 at 21:32:45
Fine, I'll be devil's advocate. It started when a close friend of mine got hoooked on alcohol, then marijuana, and various other substances. She claims she was raped twice, though both cases were dropped before they made it to the court room, she attempted suicide by ODing on over the counter drugs, and was sent to rehab. She attemped suicide because she knew what she had sunk to. So, take that, and I say yea, drugs are the root of all evil.

true expierence, yes, tore my family up more than you can imagine. Devil's advocate, remember though! happy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-06 at 21:33:20
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If you read carefully there is one single word I would like to point out. AN. That does not mean that every single drug sold goes towards terrorism.


Ah, drug money does not go to Islamic terrorist organizations because not "every single drug sold" is from them.

Again, I think it should be legal.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Moonmonkey on 2005-07-06 at 21:39:44
QUOTE(Kame da Sniper @ Jul 6 2005, 08:32 PM)
Fine, I'll be devil's advocate. It started when a close friend of mine got hoooked on alcohol, then marijuana, and various other substances. She claims she was raped twice, though both cases were dropped before they made it to the court room, she attempted suicide by ODing on over the counter drugs, and was sent to rehab. She attemped suicide because she knew what she had sunk to. So, take that, and I say yea, drugs are the root of all evil.

true expierence, yes, tore my family up more than you can imagine. Devil's advocate, remember though!  happy.gif
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Something about that story seems a little fishy.
For one, it just seems so much like the typical "sob" stories.
Two, you used the "^ ^" smiley at the end.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-07-06 at 21:42:01
I used it to point out that I really don't find drugs as pure evil, only the idiots who abuse them. But the story is true, there are people who know who I'm talking about who can varify it. If you don't believe, I could call you closed-minded, or ignorant, but I don't like doing that, so I'll just shrug it off and say, I tried to play your game but you didn't want to play back.

You do know what a devil's advocate is, right? tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Moonmonkey on 2005-07-06 at 21:53:10
Okay, try to keep it a little more civil. Using personal attacks will just get you ignored.
Yes, I know what "devil's advocate" means, I never said I didn't believe your story.

"If you don't believe, I could call you closed-minded, or ignorant, but I don't like doing that, so I'll just shrug it off and say"

If you dont, then why did you?

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Also...did you just seriously call me "pure evil"???
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zb2k on 2005-07-06 at 21:54:17
QUOTE(Moonmonkey @ Jul 6 2005, 06:37 PM)
I was naseuas, dizzy, light-headed, and had the intense urge to sit by the toilet for a couple hours til my mind stopped vomiting. I couldn't breathe normally for a couple days. People definitely noticed a large difference in my overall behavior.

Also, the onset for nicotine is less than five minutes. THe duration, however, is 6-14 hours. I doubt it's going to fade too quickly. (of course, this all depends on the persons natural tolerance for nicotine)
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"I was naseuas, dizzy, light-headed, and had the intense urge to sit by the toilet for a couple hours til my mind stopped vomiting. I couldn't breathe normally for a couple days. People definitely noticed a large difference in my overall behavior."

Ok, but again even normal chain smokers wont do a pack in 1/2 hour. Plus, you sort of "took it in all at once". For a normal smoker, even though the nicotine may still be taking effect on you, you spaced it out over an hour or two, so it isn't as big of "bang". Plus, none of those symptoms really affected your behavior, they just made you feel like shit, with the exception of you being jumpy. But I don't think any amount of cigs can make you jumpy to the point of endangering others around you, but correct me if that isn't true.

It seems that all the symptoms you listed (with the exception of jumpiness) didn't really change your behavior. So you really were not a danger to anyone else or yourself. (Although, obviously, you can get cancer from smoking, and if you smoked like THAT consistently there is no question that you would.)

To Kame da Sniper:

I am on the same boat as you, my family was literally ripped to shreds because of mother censored.gif ing drugs and alchohol.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-07-06 at 21:56:12
QUOTE(Moonmonkey @ Jul 6 2005, 06:53 PM)

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Also...did you just seriously call me "pure evil"???
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It matters. Do you abuse drugs?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-06 at 22:02:07
It's not closed minded to be skeptical of a story on an internet message board.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Moonmonkey on 2005-07-06 at 22:09:52
He's playing Devil's advocate.

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QUOTE(Zb2k @ Jul 6 2005, 08:54 PM)
"I was naseuas, dizzy, light-headed, and had the intense urge to sit by the toilet for a couple hours til my mind stopped vomiting. I couldn't breathe normally for a couple days. People definitely noticed a large difference in my overall behavior."

Ok, but again even normal chain smokers wont do a pack in 1/2 hour. Plus, you sort of "took it in all at once". For a normal smoker, even though the nicotine may still be taking effect on you, you spaced it out over an hour or two, so it isn't as big of "bang". Plus, none of those symptoms really affected your behavior, they just made you feel like shit, with the exception of you being jumpy. But I don't think any amount of cigs can make you jumpy to the point of endangering others around you, but correct me if that isn't true.

It seems that all the symptoms you listed (with the exception of jumpiness) didn't really change your behavior. So you really were not a danger to anyone else or yourself. (Although, obviously, you can get cancer from smoking, and if you smoked like THAT consistently there is no question that you would.)


Didn't change my behavior? having a constant heart rate of over 100bps isnt a change?

And tell me how I would more of a danger to people around me if I had instead smoked marijuana. And the driving thing won't work, because if I had been driving in that situation, I would have been deadly.


"Ok, but again even normal chain smokers wont do a pack in 1/2 hour. "
If they do a pack within 6-8 hours, its the same thing. It takes a minimum of ~6 hours for nicotine to start to wear off.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-06 at 22:10:39
lol
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-07-06 at 22:12:11
Okay... person who smoked and got bad effects, you got all that shit from smoking?

Well let me tell you bud, I smoke a cig today, and holy shit, my head exploded! The blood got on my girlfriend so she dumped me, and it ruin my new keyboard (dont ask how i type this) and monitor! u see/ no my grammer skillxz go bda helpephephlpehlpelhpelhpelh

Ok, back to reality. Buy person who smoked and got bad effects, I doubt smokes would do that to you! They MIGHT make you want to cough but... vomiting? Dizziness? Thats the type of shit illegal drugs would do to you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Moonmonkey on 2005-07-06 at 22:17:48
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Jul 6 2005, 09:12 PM)
Okay... person who smoked and got bad effects, you got all that shit from smoking?

Well let me tell you bud, I smoke a cig today, and holy shit, my head exploded! The blood got on my girlfriend so she dumped me, and it ruin my new keyboard (dont ask how i type this) and monitor! u see/ no my grammer skillxz go bda helpephephlpehlpelhpelhpelh

Ok, back to reality. Buy person who smoked and got bad effects, I doubt smokes would do that to you! They MIGHT make you want to cough but... vomiting? Dizziness? Thats the type of shit illegal drugs would do to you.
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YES, I got all that from smoking.
Not a single cigarette though, a whole pack.

"Vomiting? Dizziness? Thats the type of shit illegal drugs would do to you."
You know, so can a food that doesnt agree with your stomach, or the flu, or water (Drinking water makes me sick to my stomach...I usually cant keep it down long) and spinning around in circles. And those arent illegal drugs!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-07-06 at 22:21:57
Well, a well known fact is that water contains Dihydrogen Monoxide. Inhalation of DHMO can lead to death. DHMO is the major component of acid rain, and factory pour it into the rivers each year. DHMO contributes to global warming, as it adds to humidity in the air and makes it feel a helluva lot harder. Whats so horrible about DHMO, is that even when washed, it does not come off! AND, DHMO has virtually the same chemical composition as Water, meaning it can pass through filters! Each time you drink water, you could die!!!!

Okay, and well, the cigs: Either your allergic somehow, or you really did smoke a huge pack in a short time, which probably could have killed you with all that censored.gif ing smoke.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zb2k on 2005-07-06 at 22:24:22
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Jul 6 2005, 08:21 PM)
Okay, and well, the cigs: Either your allergic somehow, or you really did smoke a huge pack in a short time, which probably could have killed you with all that  censored.gif ing smoke.
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Allergic to cigs? Never heard of that. And you CANNOT OD from nicotine. In other words, the only way nicotine can kill you is through long term effects like lung cancer.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Moonmonkey on 2005-07-06 at 22:25:43
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Jul 6 2005, 09:21 PM)
Well, a well known fact is that water contains Dihydrogen Monoxide. Inhalation of DHMO can lead to death. DHMO is the major component of acid rain, and factory pour it into the rivers each year. DHMO contributes to global warming, as it adds to humidity in the air and makes it feel a helluva lot harder. Whats so horrible about DHMO, is that even when washed, it does not come off! AND, DHMO has virtually the same chemical composition as Water, meaning it can pass through filters! Each time you drink water, you could die!!!!

Okay, and well, the cigs: Either your allergic somehow, or you really did smoke a huge pack in a short time, which probably could have killed you with all that  censored.gif ing smoke.
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lol I saw that episode...the people at the EPA rally, protesting DHMO. Not a single freaking person realized they were signing a petition against water.
20 cigs in half an hour. Its not the smoke that got me, it was the nicotine. Smoke is not a stimulant. Nicotine is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-07-06 at 22:28:45
lol ya, stupid censored.gif ing epa people. Did you hear about the town in California that banned DHMO?

Anyways, the smoke COULD have gotten to you. Smoke displaces air, thus asphyxiating you, aka, lack of oxygen for you, which may explain the head-ache.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Moonmonkey on 2005-07-06 at 22:29:31
QUOTE(Zb2k @ Jul 6 2005, 09:24 PM)
Allergic to cigs? Never heard of that. And you CANNOT OD from nicotine. In other words, the only way nicotine can kill you is through long term effects like lung cancer.
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Actually, you CAN OD on nicotine. It is a stimulant. You can OD on any stimulant.
You can't OD on THC because the THC receptors in your body have nothing to do with body functions such as heart rate, breathing, etc etc.

If you kept pumping more and more stimulants into your body, eventually youre going to go into cardiac failure.



Also, nicotine doesnt cause lung cancer. The contaminants take care of that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-07-06 at 22:49:44
You can probably OD on any substance, hell you can OD on water for example, and not because you "drown" because you can' breathe
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Moonmonkey on 2005-07-06 at 22:58:11
QUOTE(devilesk @ Jul 6 2005, 09:49 PM)
You can probably OD on any substance, hell you can OD on water for example, and not because you "drown" because you can' breathe
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How can you OD on water?


And you cannot OD on THC :-P


And what do you mean by OD? I'm talking about death...That and the term "Overdose" usually refers to controlled substance...I dont think water goes under that category (does it?)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-07-06 at 23:06:18
its happened. a girl did ecstasy, and died of water poisoning because she kept drinking water. It happened a few years ago...and I can't find the article on it...drats...but she drank a frickin lot of water.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Moonmonkey on 2005-07-06 at 23:07:58
But that wouldnt an overdose, that would just be ingesting too much of something.
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