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dk brought the muta hack/glitch to blizzards attention so that they could fix it he didnt just start that.

anyways as previously stated these triggers effect ums games only. there is no need for a patch if the pc users only label is there. i for one am a melee player first and a mapper second and i love these triggers.

and for your biggest argument "corrupts replays"
you can get a little program (the name slips my mind) that can change the patch version of your current sc bw enabling you to watch replays from that patch

plus hes only like 16 why would he be trying to destroy a game of this magnitude without any personaly financial gain


GG NO RE QUIT HASSELING DK

-_- Why do you think everyone's here at Staredit.net if we hate Starcraft? What, because of hoodlums like Dk finding new things and ways to use them to make better maps? If you really think that he's just some little dweeb who gets pleasure from hacking and exploiting just to ruin Starcraft, you're wrong, because there's no way that he would ruin Starcraft. (The pleasure from hacking would be right though )

I think you mean harrassing.

The current method of downgrading to an old patch to watch a replay I think is too much of a hassle, and can you even watch it with other people?

And stop the flaming.

If he really wanted to fix exploits, he wouldn't go out searching for them and release them to the general public.

Instead, he would both work with Blizzard on existing issues and search for new problems and directly contact Blizzard about it.



That's like saying that the people who release maphacks are doing it to help blizzard. You guys who are defending him are... not so smart.

I'm looking at this article: http://gosugamers.net/news.php?id=2817 and I'm not seeing where it says 150,000 people were at the event. Nor do I see where it says 100,000 people were at a previous event. I think you're confusing 'live' with 'being there'. There is a huge difference. You can view something live anywhere it is broadcasted, the fact they say the event was viewed lived by more than 100,000 tells me that there could not possibly be 100,000 people at the event because I know it was broadcasted on TV and internet and that's most likely where most of the viewers are.

In the License agreement thing Blizzard had for Starcraft, didn't it say it was illegal to tamper with or modify the game in any form of way or something like that?

Great, you countered one thing.
Now how about the other half-dozen arguments that you just said were obvious indicators that we're ignoring your posts?
I've read every post in this thread, and I know that that was just bullcrap question dodging.

Why on Earth would you want to watch a replay with other people? Not only you are wasting half an hour of your life by not doing anything productive, but watching a premade product, you do it with other people!?

Replays on Battle.net are a waste of bandwidth. If you are so intent on watching replays, watch them on your own, and analyze them carefully, not be distracted by others shouting meaningless insults at the players of the recorded game, or forcing their opinions of the strategies onto you.

UED77

This is what DK has said:



BTW: I do agree with some parts of it, because those idiots at bwhacks who released the new inhale with I think the mutamorph were like "We are forcing bnet to patch it"



Wow... play a melee game where something interesting happens please, either a good game, or some wonderful friend who does something stupid. Those are definitely games you would want to watch.

Really, when I was in the ICL channel, I would join replays that either had great games or hilarious moments, and those replays were great.

I don't see replays as only a source to get better, but as a source of enjoyment with other people.

It's like saying WHY DO PEOPLE WATCH RERUNS? THEY'VE ALREADY SEEN IT BEFORE, IT'S POINTLESS!! NO ONE ENJOYS IT!

And hell, even if you were remotely into Melee, and you saw a replay of some great melee going on such as things Boxer has done you would be very interested in the replay.

UED, I really have to disagree with you. Replays are tons of fun to watch, especially with other people, and can also prove as a learning tool, especially with other people.

It's like watching a movie with your best friends. Everyone is there having a good time and it adds to the energy of the group - you all have a better time because of this.

And it's also like watching someone do something you intend on learning. Someone could be there showing you how to do something as you're watching it, making it the ultimate learning tool.

Which would contradict BWScanner and whatever other tools are available.

I do agree with devilesk and chu, some replays are interesting, others funny.

Someone before said they talked to a Blizz rep about things like penguinplug and bwchart and bwscanner, and the Blizz rep said they are more concerned with serious hacks right?

I do not doubt that you enjoy replays, but unless you have some sort of voice messaging enabled, you're not actually laughing with them, and having a good time with them. You could do the same thing offline, without anyone connected to the same replay. You would still laugh, since you only laugh in your own house, not in their houses. You could speed up, slow down, or pause the replay to your liking. And you would still enjoy it.

EDIT: ChuOS, this kinda serves as a reply to your post as well.
EDIT2: And to yours, DK.

UED77

... Yes I'm sure on bnet I would be like Hey man! Go email me that replay! It's so much easier than just hosting the replay so we can watch and discuss what is going on! Yes!!!

That also relates to, if you are watching a new replay and don't know what's going on, or what you should be looking at, the person who made the replay could tell you what to look at and what's going on.

BTW did you skip Chu's post? Are you anti-social even on the internet? Are you against movie theaters too?


BTW: Wesmic was the one who had the conversation:

Yes, blizzard are more concerned with serious hacks and exploits.

I assume ihatett forgot about taking legal action, I'd love to see it, it would be interesting to see legal action taken for finding the Zerg burrow-stack glitch and whatnot, as well as other numerous glitches, bugs, and exploits that don't really revolve around programs modifying gameplay.

Even if DK did something wrong it would be stupid of Blizzard to waste their time pursuing legal action on DK

No, I did not skip ChuOS's post, he merely posted whilst I was typing my reply up. Then I went back, decided that it was content-wise an appropriate response to Chu's post, and edited it to reflect this. Then, when DK edited his, I went back and edited it again.
I am not against movie theathers, but unless you are physically present in a group, why would you stick around for thirty-plus minutes watching however great the game might have been, but not actually playing?

I do not doubt the learning value of replays, but the analogy to the movie theater is rather weak in my opinion.

UED77

Stop being dense.



Are you teling me that by "large audience" they don't mean... the audience? And are you telling me that baseball on TV in Korea gets only 15,000 TV viewers? What? Come on man, don't be so anti-Broodwar that you become retarted.

I don't know why you guys won't believe it. But once you do, maybe you'll realize that more is on the line than you think.

Disadvantage of having a hot topic - sometimes posts go as fast as normal speech and you have to go back and edit or post again to clarify.

UED I assume you've never even seen a really good Melee replay or a really funny one, even with a group of people. Have you even experienced it?

Your argument has already been shot down as well.

You tell us why watch replays with people? We gave you reasons why.

You say we should watch it alone. We gave you reasons why we watch with others.

You haven't said anything else or brought up any other argument as to why we shouldn't watch replays with people.

We have proven that it's NOT a waste of time, and it IS fun to watch with other people. Even if you don't like to watch replays with other people you can't tell someone else that it's not fun.

And why are you questioning why people stick around watching a 30 minute plus game however great it is? You basically answered the question yourself, because it's simply a great game. Really if you can't understand it, then don't argue against it.

Does it matter if you're "physically present"?

They say that before they state the live amount. You can assume that it pertains to the audience but I still think it would be ridiculous to think that there are over 100,000 people on that beach watching that show.

More is on the line? How has DK ever posed a threat to Melee, honestly? The mutamorph thing existed before he made his mod and the hacks that followed were made because people found out how from the author of the original hack. The new triggers in no way affects Melee. Replays are NOT a serious issue.

I agree, seeing as I'm not a hardcore melee'er, but I do watch replays, I haven't encountered many times where corrupted replays have been a problem, or have been frustrating to me.

I thought this was about "how much deathknight has ruined starcraft and how ihatett will take legal action(no idea how) against him", not "OMFG NO IT WAS X VIEWERS AT THE TOURNAMENT!!1".

So, mind telling me about this legal action of yours, ihatett?