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I don't know the validity of the site, but I must admit, it's funny.

It says the definition of it's deaths are reported deaths only. This means, the only ones you're looking at are US CONFIRMED deaths. Not actual. They even say something about certainty of minimum but nothing about maximum. Coincidence? I think not.

How do you not confirm a death? They are either there, or they are missing.

If they are missing then they are possibly dead.

Do they keep track of missing soldiers?

actually media reports -.-

And that means UK and Arab news too.

I'm asking how do you not know if a person is dead or not? If they don't, do they at least count them as missing?

Well, at the moment , There are 2 points of view that you will see on the internet. There is the one I've been trying to explain and the other is about the weakening of the steel and thus finally falls so suddenly. Once again, I mentioned a documentary. Theres alot of info there on my point of view. I'll read your site now. Infact, I've already read alot about that side. The Documentary will explain many things on my view. So please, take a look at it. One of us is obviously wrong. Who can it be? Atleast, we can try to look at each other's sources and information and learn a bit. I'm offering a documentary. To prove me wrong, You need to check the sources I've suggested aswell. Because perhaps, there maybe a more plausible solution to 9/11 then you thought. We never know.

Here are 2 links I found:
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?C...b=&o=&vc=1&t=-1
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_wtc_videos.html

Actually, sources from UK and Arab are not on their approved list.

Okay deciding whether or not it's possible WTC collapsed due to the airplanes isn't really the main issue. Currently I'm leaning towards it being a terrorist attack. Why? Because it makes more sense. I want to believe that the government isn't corrupt enough to create such a conspiracy and to kill thousands of Americans on purpose.

Evidence suggests that it could happen either way, but I don't think that 9/11 was created by the government, because it doesn't make much sense for them to do it just to start a war on terrorism. What do we have to gain? I think we've lost more than we've gained from 9/11, and if it was done by the government then it's even worse.

If it's true, and what they did is so bad, why isn't news of it more widespread? Why haven't I seen clear evidence.

I think you can come up with a conspiracy for every war and decision our government has made.

I think its the White house who did this along with the Government following along. Once again, the Documentary will explain this and in a *Scientific* point of view aswell. Its an awesome Documentary =).

I know that if it is true which thats what I'm leaning on at the moment, It would be extremely bad. But do not think this is the first time its happening. Why would the news be more Widespread? Who controls the media? What would the media gain from saying the truth anyways? They'll say what you want to hear. Aswell, the media is in cooperation with the government. The ones who are trying to spread the truth about this are the ones who don't have a ton of money. But they do give information on their websites and they also give Documentaries for free.

I know what you mean though, Its hard to believe your own government would do such a terrible thing. I agree, but you have to look at the facts and be open minded about this. In the Past, the United States tryed to make war on Cuba, They thought about numerous ways to blame accidents on Cuba so the people would support a war . There was one where a plane would've been filled with College Students and a missile hit it. This would be blamed on Cuba. It never happened though. An other one would be a Space Missile. They were going to send one in space, if it failed, they were going to blame Cuba saying that they had Sabotaged it. Things like these for example.

And remember, the evidence is there. You just need to find it over the internet. Search and you will find. By the way, there is alot of documentaries about this. Your not going to find anything if you rely primarily on the media. Go on your favourite search engine and search about this. Its an interesting topic.

And Once again, Please take a look at the Documentary. Its very important.

But what's the point of doing all this just to start a war on terror? What do we gain and why couldn't the government find some other way to stir up antiterrorism feelings? It doesn't make much sense.



Why wouldn't it be widespread? I'm sure most of the population is evil and if they heard about what you are proposing and it was true then they wouldn't be outraged. If that's the case then I must be living in a box

I think it's sad people would believe such a terrible thing. What makes your sources right over other ones that have a different opinion? How do I know they aren't people who just hate the government and just want to spread propaganda. 9/11 happened four years ago. If people wanted the truth to be known then there should be a greater effort.

I'm sure theories like this are made up all the time, but always picking out the little things and making it seem like a big conspiracy and that everyone is corrupt is not a good way to live. It makes me lose my faith in government, humanity, and the world. Therefore, unless you can give me overwhelming evidence that proves without a doubt that the government did that I will choose not to believe it.


Also, all the antigovernment videos just look like a bunch of crap and propaganda. Especially with the crappy music they have trying to stir up emotion.

[Quote] But what's the point of doing all this just to start a war on terror? What do we gain and why couldn't the government find some other way to stir up antiterrorism feelings? It doesn't make much sense.[\quote]

No, People of today are...more..Not educated..But their morals. No one wants to make a war so easily anymore. Nobody wants to make a war now, Why do thousands of people have to die? It wouldn't work. You have to make the population believe its the right thing to do, to fight terrorism. You have to give the Population a motive nowadays or it won't work. Some people say they went there for Oil. I believe thats true. Even though prices are going higher and all. I believe the United States is going to gain alot on this because of the oil.

How do you know your documentary is credible? blam you can edit all the pictures and junk from anywhere and make it look like its real.


I believe we always go to war with at least something to gain, and I believe that this war will gain us oil. But I don't believe we intentionally knocked down the WTC. It's surprising because the more I talk about it, the more unrealistic it seems. How do you know this is not propaganda?

Hate the government...Please...Thats not their motive when they make these Documentaries. They are for the people to be told the truth. Videos with filmage of 9/11 are all over the internet. All the Documentaries do is take those videos and point out anomalies and strange things. What I'm trying to do here is open you to maybe a different truth then the one you are blatantly exposed to by the media.
These are not theories, they are video footages of 9/11, that proove otherwise of what you and the whole population was told. By the way, if you prefer following the Government without a doubt always, You become sort of like a sheep. A follower. You know whats right morally. If a Government did a terrible thing, you have the right to know. I thinks thats a more proper way to live. If you want to be exposed to lies, then so be it. Even if its not a lie, Be Open-minded when it comes to taking a look at what other people have found. About the music, What does it matter? I listen to what they have to say and show. Some people don't like watching Documentarys and get bored soon even if they will be overwhelmed when done. The music sort of keeps you awake. I don't know. But really, Why would you care about the music? I don't even remember it having music. I just listen to what they have to say and show me.

Did you take a look at the links? did you go on your search engine and look specifically for a different source explaining the other side of the story instead? To see which one looks more plausible? Or do I have to posts links and video footage and remind you to take a look. Because I'm pretty sure that if I don't, you'll continue with the " Show me some evidence, Or show me some overwhelming evidence and I'll be convinced" etc. Many people have been exposed to this information I'm saying aswell. Don't you feel curious enough to go look for the information yourself??? The internet is huge, Go on, yes. Go on your search engine and find information about this and read all the evidence.

The fact that I am presenting you this whole bunch of information, should already be a given that I might not be the only one thinking this way? I'm pretty sure you could search it and find information in a second and post back in here. Instead, you just post asking me for evidence as If I'm trying to hide something. Trust me, it'll take a few seconds to find the info. I've already given you a name of a Documentary with 2 links aswell. This is already proof that you will find more if you search about it. Like I said, go on, search about it and find more evidence on your own. Its an interesting topic.

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Its not Propaganda because the videos on these Documentarys are all videos people submitted about 9/11. From a bit everywhere. Go on google and search 9/11 videos that show the second plane hit the tower. They are all unedited videos that clearly show what actually happened.

Yea that definitely makes it not propaganda.

Whats your point?! What are you trying to get to?? Were trying to debate here. Not to debate if our sources or videos are falsified and edited to fit the information Because so far, the video I've proposed only points out strange things on Videos people have posted/submitted onto the internet and they also bring out a Scientific point of view of this and how unrealistic this is. I've shown you and many others Evidence and a *Documentary* to watch. You've asked me for evidence and where I got my info and that you'd prefer Scientific evidence. So far, thats what I've tryed to do. At the moment though, your acting like an idiot. I could say your sites are false aswell. That what they're saying is scientificly wrong and thats the end of it. But heh, I'm not. I've passed that level of Maturity. I'm trying to make a debate on a serious issue here. Your just going on and on about wanting evidence, thats what I've provided and you've rejected it all with a simple play of "How do you know your documentary is credible? blam you can edit all the pictures and junk from anywhere and make it look like its real.". Your leading this to a childish type of debate.

I guess its pointless to insist. You can try to argue their points in a documentary, But the Extreme opposite to say they edited the pictures/information without proof is just childish.

Edit: I Modified the last Paragraph to be more comprehensible.

Oh it sure is.

Saying the government controls the media is the biggest lie I have ever heard (or read ).

What proof do you have? The only channel the government controls is C-SPAN and like no one watches that....

The government does not control the media becuase we have the freedom of the press acts and other acts similiar to that one that protects news companies.

I'm sorry, your right. I Knew that, It controls it own channel. Sorry, heh, Made a huge mistake there =D. Thanks for correcting.

The government doesen't control the media, the media tries to help the government. Mostly Fox.

Yep, My bad. I knew that, I wrote something else instead by accident. I'm admitting that what I wrote is wrong.

ok i stopped readin after half of page 3. I would just like to say something about the whole demolition idea. I believe it.... before I even heard the idea I knew this was planned, not by just the terrorists but by the US. Think about it.... Hitler/Himmler did it with the burning of the reichstag... They created an enemy. We put saddam in power then take him out? We train Bin Ladan, and now we're fighting him... hold on, let me look for that Goering quote.

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same in any country."

-Hermann Goering (1893 - 1946)
Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe, President of the Reichstag, Prime Minister of Prussia and Hitler's designated successor


Right there tells you something.

1: Create the enemy, Bush did so with the WTC attack.
2: Use that attack to stage a war, he did so and at the same time disgraced the memory of 9/11 by using it as a way to silence anyone who objects, calling them non-patriots.

http://essay.theboywhocriediraq.com/

I'm sure messing up our economy was worth it I think if the government was going to try to create an enemy, they would find a better and cheaper way to do it.

I just can't believe some people would stoop that low as to call 9/11 staged just to find another reason to hate Bush. Honestly its disgusting. No matter how much I hate Kerry I odn't make up all these conspiracies against him.

Nah man, We look at the facts and filmed videos. Really, I don't have this in head because I hate Bush. I try to look at the facts and history. Its already been done in the past. Even if its something huge as the Twin towers. Really, you have to stop thinking people are making this up because they hate Bush. People have just been very observatory and have come up with logical explanations. This wouldn't be the first time in History so its a possibility we have to consider. Its not because we necessarily hate Bush. Its because we believe that if its a lie, the truth has to be told. We don't know if it is or is not. Thats what were trying to figure out.

i can't believe theres people who are so blind as you are. I'm trying very hard not to flame you right now for saying i stooped low. It has nothing to do with me not liking bush so stfu and drink bleach. Because you can't see whats really happenig out there you go as far to blindly say he's right.

Listen, I know a few people who went to iraq and they clearly said that the people alot of the people don't want us there. Its an islamic country, in Islam women do not have equal rights as a democracy would give. So why force it on them? We are there for what reasons? To oust a man we put in power? To stop him from using his "wmd's"? Oh wait thats right, they LIED to us about that. There were none. So now we are fighting double wars over NOTHING. We should not of even been there, just like vietnam. Its not our fight. Notice clinton didn't invade, but wait while both Bush's are in power we invade.

By the way, I had already read the link you put there Euro =). The link about "The Boy who cried Iraq". Its Excellent . I suggest everyone to take a look at this and read it in its entirety.

Edit: Actually, I reread it, I disagree on a small ton of things. Some parts are good in my opinion though. Oh well, read and tell me what you think he says is wrong. Idk...I read a bit of it and I didn't like half the information I read. I did read this 2 years ago. Whatever the case, the half of the second page and some of the third is ok in my opinion. For you fellows to decide.