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I have an idea... lets write a book full of fictional stories, bury it at the top of a mountain.... wait a couple thousand years for someone to dig it up. And we'll have a whole new religion!

Which shows everyone should stop posting for the night and go to sleep. Before we start posting nonsense and further degrade this thread.

motion seconded. Don;t want to close this. TOPIC IS CLOSED FOR THE NIGHT!

This is why the Government dosent want us to know about Aliens, because it messes up religion. Did jesus also go to there planet and die for there sins as well?

becuase at some point we have to make some conclusions, like for us to have this argument we have to conclude we exist wihtout propper evidence to compell us to beleive so, assuming theres an us to even beleive this.


Is it your srongest suggestion or your strongest hope to avoid judgement.
Also the statemnt maybe i have no value anymore....insert rest of his quote here... is flawed in it's own presentation. becuase if he still exists then obviosely he has some value for if he felt completely valueless then he wouldnt choose to go on living, also if has a home to go back to then he obviously has value becuase any home tat he has no matter how shabby has some value even if it merrely exists becuase it takes up a spot where something else couldnt be becuase it exists.


If we found this to be true then he could still beleive in a god that was the inspiration for our creation as a race, he would have to alter his current beelifs or he would be rather stupid, but he could still go on beleiving in god.


a) if he only beleived becuase everyone else was doing it, then why would he stand by it when outnumbered here in this forum? wouldnt he at least say he wasnt thinking that way anymore? becuase thats whats popular with this topic currently. B)well, who brainwashed his parents parents, and their parents, and their parents...etc..ect, evetnaully if you go far enough back someone had to make a choice somewhere to indoctrinate their children into their religion, and you cant use the excuse that their parents made them that religion becuase there parents werent of the same religion. c) is this actually a good point or a cheap shot below the belt when u can get away with it?


thats very impressive but numbers do matter becuase if it's 5 versus one that means 5 mind can think of arguments agaisnt a point while the 1 mind can only bear the fruits thta one mind can produce.


euro, becuase u obviously feel that you can exploit people i suggest that you do exactly that, I feel that things would not go quit as well if you went out and tryed to create such a religion yourself... have you ever looked at the hobos who profess themselves to be the messiah or similiar... you dont ee them living in splendor, or anyone paying them large sums.


-mass suicide cults have had accured many times thourghout history, im sure that many of the people would have gone on living if they hadnt encounterd one of these cults.
-if a million people jumped into lava they could very easily drag you along with them regardless of whether u wanted to or not... u might even get pulled along by the current of people moving.
-I wish we could limit it to only a million lairs throughout the world, but unfortunately i would have to say that 99.9% of people will lie at one point in their life, I can be counted amoung this percentage but i certainly try not to.
-again most people will steal somehting through out there life time, even if it's a small thign thats of no great importance or even if it was by accident it's still stealing.
-As long as there wasn't a large sum of people trying to convince you of something else at the same time then i would say almsot everyone would beleive it, and those who didnt would be considerd fools even if they were correct. It's a safer bet to go with the million becuase it's harder to fool a million people then it is to fool 1 or 2 random people. I mean, we accept things every day just becuase millions of people say it's true, for instance world war 2, most of us werent alive to experience it so we have no direct way of knowing whether or not it occured, but becuase almost everyone agrees that world war 2 did happen, i can safely agree with them becuase i trust the million people more then i trust those one or two hundred who claim that there was no holocaust. this is just one example that shows that we trust many many things just becuase millions of people have trusted them before us.

euro- i suggest you seriously attempt your experiment of writing a work of fiction,burying it, then seeing if any one discovers it. then you could write a companion book and hide it all the way across the world and write how your first book was rubbish and was just a test to see if anyone from future geenrations worshiped it. This would help give future generations who try to amke the same erronius claims that you are making baout buryying books and seeing if their beleived. if you want to prove me wroung this would be a great way of doing it, it would take a long time before it came to forwition but it would still give some validity to your claim which is currently deviode of any such grace.

Here is what everyone needs to understand. Everyone was their own interpertation of the universe or the world. Our mind uses our five senses to detect the world around it, then uses the power of our brain to analyze it and decide what it is.

And no two interpertations are the same. In my "world" or interpertation, chocolate tastes good. But in someone else's world, chocolate tastes bad and therefore they avoid eating it altough I eat it if I get a chance.

But all of this ultimately comes from our brain. What we consider death to be, is simply losing consiousness permanantly. Once we're dead we can't think because our brain isn't consiouss because it is dead. So when we die so does the world, well our world(interpertation). Religion seems ridiculous to me because they're saying that your exact same brain isn't dead, and then it's transported to Heaven by magic. Do you want to expierence death without actually dying? Go to sleep. Death is identical to a dreamless sleep because you're no consiouss. Death just doesn't end.

I agree partially with that. Are your senses the same? No, they interpert different things. But I agree that it doesn't prove existence, and besides, what is existense or being real and why is it important? All I'm saying is that your brain analyzes what your senses tell it.

Uhhhh read my original post, I said once we lose consiousness permanantly we are dead.

Lol, do you want to take this into PM's or something because these one lined responses could start to be considered spam pretty quick. If someone went into a coma and never came out until the were pronounced medically dead then I would consider them dead since the time they entered the coma. But I assume that I'm supposed to say yes to your question and your going to bust out with some kind of response that will completely prove me wrong but I could be wrong.

No we shouldn't because we don't know if they're going to "die"(by medical terms) in the coma. Anywho, the brain is only part of a person, but it's the most important part. Sure, the brain can't survive without a heart or lungs, but the brain is what give the rest of the body purpose and when it's dead you can assume the rest of the person is dead too.

Interesting conversation we're having here but I'm going to go to bed I'll respond tomorrow.

rhiom... y should i do that test, i'd be long dead b4 anyone finds it... the way i hide things..... just like science says... everything is false until proven true. just like innocent until proven guilty.

uh no... because then they could invoke choice C. Trust me i know this guy who was thinking about suicide and now says the bible saved him. What a crock of blam.

then if the minds all that determines death if a person who is in a coma and is most likely never going to wake up should we take em off life support? if a person a severlly injured and unable to wake up and it looks like they'll never be able to recover should we just kill them?

also, those one line response's arent spam if there well put and related to the subject, and if they arent overused.

Well if the family decides that they should be taken off of life support then sure take them off life support. But if it helps the family mentally to know that there's still a small chance they could come out of the coma then they could decide to continue the life support.

What about the woman in Florida who was taken off of life support because although her body was functioning normally she was completely brain dead. None of the judges objected to having her taking off of life support because they knew she would never come out of the state she was in which I believe was different than a coma.

Ah I remember drunken wrestler. He just abruptly left SEN for some reason while still in plenty of arguments.


We're all still "noobs." The official Christian and Atheist sites/forums that i've been to are far better than the crap we're spouting out.

What most people think senses are are dead wrong.

For one, we also have a sense of balance and can detect, to a certain extent, EMP's.

Secondly, taste, in the current day and age, is completely useless. It used to be able to tell posion from food apart, but now they have sweet poisons and health food tastes horrible. Smell is still vaguely useful. We can smell harmful chemicals and the like andget out of the building before it explodes. (Just an example). Touch, I beleive, is the most useful. Somehow, blind and deaf people get along just fine, yet I very few babies with nerve disorders living for very long. Hearing is second most important, and sight is third.

The top 3 senses are completely my opinion. So just make sure you know that.

... taste useful... I guess you don't like to enjoy the food you eat eh? I also guess that's why there are so many different kinds of foods out there for you to eat if they all taste the same.

NO sense is useless at all. Each one helps us perceive the world we live in.


I also suppose the next time you drink spoiled milk you won't even notice it because your sense of taste is "useless". They make good tasting spoiled milk now too?

Shapechanger I think you forgot about the number one goal in life that everyone tries to accomplish. Having fun. Everything that we want to do is fun, or it will benefit us somehow in the future and we will be able to have fun or feel good.

And I don't see why taste is useless, it feels nice to eat food that tastes good.

Also, I would say that sight is the most important sense, it is best at determining the world around us. Feel helps with that but not nearly as much as sight.

Without taste eating would be boring. It would be as boring as say filling up the gas in your car. Without taste that's what eating comes down to, filling up your body just like a car gets filled up by gas. Personally, I don't want eating to be a boring chore that I must do to stay alive, so I'm glad we have the sense of taste, I can't say the same for you though.

And yet you don't care that you have to breathe?
You can smell spoiled milk.
In the current day and age, it doesn't help us survive. It's bad for us, in fact. It used to be sugar tasted very good because sugar was scarce back in ancient times, yet we needed a bit of it for our diet, so it was very good for the body. Meat ought to taste good to you, but if it deosn't it's just all the crap that's corrupted your taste buds.

It's bad for us, it makes us crave foods that worsen our health.

Nice example with breathing. OH WAIT too bad breathing is INVOLUNTARY LOLOLOL. Oh ya and too bad breathing has nothing to do with any of the five senses.

Speaking of useless sense, I think hearing is useless, I mean there are deaf people in this world, and they live perfectly normal lives and it doesn't affect them. I also believe that sight is useless too. Blind people live their lives as well. Who needs sight and hearing.


So what if I can smell spoiled milk? Not all things that can be tasted and known that they are bad for you can be smelled. By the way, you do know that smell is linked to taste lol.

Who cares if taste doesn't really help us survive? Taste is NOT bad for us. Are you honestly saying meat doesn't taste good? Taste doesn't make us crave foods that worsen our health, it's just your mind.

Hmm that makes me think of something, I think our brain is bad for us. If we were like animals that couldn't think we would just lead simple lives without all the complications that idiots cause. All we would do is focus on things that help us to survive.


If you don't think taste is useful, cut off your tongue or burn it please. Don't preach to me why you think taste is useless.

Also speaking of useless things on our body, why do we still have an apendix? Why do we even have hair on our heads? Why have hair on our legs and arms? Why do we get goosebumps, they obviously serve no purpose because we aren't covered in hair.

Lol, Devilesk.

Shapechanger, foods that we crave and that our bad for us like more than a small amount chocolate are actually addictive we don't like them because they taste good.

And since when does a nice steak not taste good?