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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2005-09-21 at 06:46:32
Last time I checked, we still had freedom of speech, and are able to discuss whatever we want.

The moderators are the ones who consider a topic spam, not you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-21 at 10:04:54
QUOTE(Voyager7456(MM) @ Sep 21 2005, 04:46 AM)
Last time I checked, we still had freedom of speech, and are able to discuss whatever we want.

The moderators are the ones who consider a topic spam, not you.
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go read the 1st ammendment again
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2005-09-21 at 11:11:29
so far i only see two people complain about this topic and how its spam; get more people to complain and I'm sure the mods will close this.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2005-09-21 at 18:29:19

I'm not complaining about this topic in particular, i'm saying how whining is annoying.

This guy has his own opinion too, and he is entitled to it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-09-21 at 18:51:39
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Hahaha.

You look it up, you and I both know that Bush didn't raise taxes; I've shown my proof that the high achievers pay a higher ratio of their money in taxes, you show that the tax cuts raised taxes on the poor. smile.gif

You know what I love about wikipedia? That it gives me the answers.

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In 2001 the top rate was cut to 35% and the bottom rate was cut to 10% by the EGTRRA, or Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act.

Now tell me exactly how the poor benefit from this? They get, by ratio, more tax while the richest get less. Fair? Nope.

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The burden of proof isn't always on me, you know. happy.gif

Do you even know what the burden of proof is? First, it is on you. Second, it's on me. Third, the burden of proof has no relevance in this topic (Which destroys the first 2 points, but it's true!)

We're both trying to prove something. There is no default; it's whoever has better evidence. Anyone with an understanding of basic algebra should easily be able to see that the rich reap the benefits that the poor more desperately need.

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guys leave bush alone. and stop complaining and critising him its annoying theres about 20 topics about how we hate bush 5+ pages on all of them its really annoying im not flaming any 1 im just saying stop acting like kids and live with it we got him for 3 more yrs just chill out

This post proves you haven't read anything we've typed. We're not talking about Bush. We're talking about why his policies suck. We don't care who Bush is, we care what his policies are and we've shown that they suck.

And stop trying to tell us what to do when you can't even reply with standard language.

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go read the 1st ammendment again

Yes you should. While you're at it, use spell check.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ViolentMoose on 2005-09-21 at 18:53:30
im not saying this is spamm,well it is kinda because theres 20 different threads talking about the same thing (how we hate prez bush)<--20 dif topics..and its annoying seeing the same thing over and over again about people whining about how they hate him like 2 or 3 topics about it is ok but an on going string of it is annoying
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-09-28 at 01:04:11
QUOTE(isolatedpurity @ Sep 20 2005, 04:49 AM)
Funny... I don't remember any tax breaks.

Anyways, someone started talking about why taxxes were being cut in the first place...
Bush "wanted" to "create jobs" by cutting taxxes.  Creating jobs means your people are making more so you get more taxxes back.  During our (usa's) economic recession, creating jobs would have been a good thing... considering there was a net loss of jobs during Bush's reign (hasn't happened to any other president recently)...

However, by giving most of the tax breaks on the top people who don't need it (and really, they don't), the effort to create jobs was completely lost...
So the whole thing is meaningless.

10 people get jobs.  They spend money on product X.  People who sell / build / whatever hire another person to keep up with the demand.  And it loops...

And to sum it all up, bush is stupid.
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ONCE AGAIN! Tax breaks for EVERY ONE!!!!!!!!!!!! Leftist propagand-ights

proof please, show me da proof, sucka foo.....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shadow-Killa_04 on 2005-09-28 at 02:22:49
Ya, you could have gone on for freaking ever if you wanted to I'm sure.

He went to Yale, Got a 1.7 average and his father payed 100000 dollars to keep him in.

His daughters were caught drunk driving underage numerous times showing him good of a dad he is.

Texas became the most polluted state under his reign

Washington has lost 50% of its salmon fishing grounds since his reign of retardedness.

I think 4 is a good number to.

Wait, 1 more thing why the hell is he lowering taxes after 2 disastrous hurricanes? So we can hit 10 trillion dollar debt? I would have to give it to him if he accomplished that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-28 at 03:20:51
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Sep 27 2005, 10:03 PM)
ONCE AGAIN! Tax breaks for EVERY ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!  Leftist propagand-ights

proof please, show me da proof, sucka foo.....
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Read below:

QUOTE(CheeZe @ Sep 21 2005, 03:51 PM)
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Hahaha.

You look it up, you and I both know that Bush didn't raise taxes; I've shown my proof that the high achievers pay a higher ratio of their money in taxes, you show that the tax cuts raised taxes on the poor. smile.gif


You know what I love about wikipedia? That it gives me the answers.

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In 2001 the top rate was cut to 35% and the bottom rate was cut to 10% by the EGTRRA, or Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act.


Now tell me exactly how the poor benefit from this? They get, by ratio, more tax while the richest get less. Fair? Nope.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-28 at 10:26:20
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Now tell me exactly how the poor benefit from this? They get, by ratio, more tax while the richest get less. Fair? Nope.


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High acheivers pay 35%, while low acheivers pay only 10%. How is 10/100 a higher ratio than 35/100!?

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-28 at 16:51:57
Who is this in reply to? For I did not write that, only quoted.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-28 at 17:29:48
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Sep 28 2005, 02:51 PM)
Who is this in reply to?  For I did not write that, only quoted.
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You quoted it as truth.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-28 at 17:49:00
If you think about it with common sense, 35% really isn't all that much to millionares, or even billionares.

10% for people who make an Income of $0-$35,000 a year, that is still taking a heafty amount from their paychecks then 35% from a million or billionare's paycheck.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-09-28 at 17:53:11
You seriously need to understand ratios before replying about the taxes.

Understanding of math and numbers will help you... a lot. Here's an easy way to look at it. 35% is larger than 10%. Richer families pay more. By reducing a higher percentage, they pay much less than the poorer families porportionally.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-28 at 21:28:24
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Sep 28 2005, 03:52 PM)
You seriously need to understand ratios before replying about the taxes.

Understanding of math and numbers will help you... a lot. Here's an easy way to look at it. 35% is larger than 10%. Richer families pay more. By reducing a higher percentage, they pay much less than the poorer families porportionally.
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You are incredible.

"they pay much less than the poorer families porportionally."


  • High achievers pay 35%, the low-achievers pay only 10%. That isn't a lower ratio.
  • The top bracket was cut from 39.1% to 35%; the lowest was cut from 15% to 10%. This means that a higher percentage (or ratio) of low achievers' income taxes were cut, in addition to a larger ratio of their previous tax percentage.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-09-28 at 22:03:38
Wow, did you read? They pay 35% less (than what they had before). Not 35%.

As for the actual numbers, please, learn some basic algebra before attempting to change my mind. Here's a tip: 30,000 - 20,000 is a larger difference than 1,000 - 500 proportionally because if you divide them, you get 3:2, to 2:1.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-28 at 22:50:27
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Sep 28 2005, 08:03 PM)
Wow, did you read? They pay 35% less (than what they had before). Not 35%.


That isn't true. They used to be taxed at 39.1%, now it's 35%. Maybe that's where your confusion is coming from?

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As for the actual numbers, please, learn some basic algebra before attempting to change my mind. Here's a tip: 30,000 - 20,000 is a larger difference than 1,000 - 500 proportionally because if you divide them, you get 3:2, to 2:1.
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Obviously...(?)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-09-29 at 00:26:16
After all this crap it all rolls into this statement, every one gets tax breaks, everyone
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-29 at 03:29:15
But isn't a tax break supposed to be even for the whole populus? And not favored for a class?

My point exactly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-09-29 at 16:46:51
Doh. I misread (Sorry to rivarly). Even so, it doesn't change the fact that it's still uneven.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Aikanaro on 2005-09-29 at 17:18:39
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Sep 29 2005, 03:46 PM)
Doh. I misread (Sorry to rivarly). Even so, it doesn't change the fact that it's still uneven.
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I agree with Cheeze in every point in this Topic. Ratio speaking, Its way out of context.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Vic.oO on 2005-09-29 at 17:43:20
type worst president on google n bush's site comes up as first biggrin.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-29 at 19:35:38
QUOTE(http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html)
Graduate School
Harvard University, Master of Business Administration


And it was a C average, too...

A Masters degree in Business Administration with a C average?

I sure wouldn't want him to be my president.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Aikanaro on 2005-09-29 at 21:47:22
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Sep 29 2005, 06:35 PM)
QUOTE(http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html)
Graduate School
Harvard University, Master of Business Administration


And it was a C average, too...

A Masters degree in Business Administration with a C average?

I sure wouldn't want him to be my president.
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Really, Even if he had an A+, That doesn't matter. Its his Morales that are wrong.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-09-29 at 22:56:55
and what are his morals???? You seem like you know the guy personally....
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