Report, edit, etc...Posted by Forsaken on 2005-11-23 at 23:19:10
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Nov 23 2005, 08:10 PM)
For those who are blinded by the super high standard of living of the United States:
China, which has one of the highest standards of living, is crap (living standards, not country) compared to the United States.
Anyone who thinks these people are living in "ideal" conditions needs to actually go over there and see what's really happening. Stop letting your luxery blind you from the truth.
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China, which has one of the highest standards of living, is crap (living standards, not country) compared to the United States.
Anyone who thinks these people are living in "ideal" conditions needs to actually go over there and see what's really happening. Stop letting your luxery blind you from the truth.
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Is that referring to everyone?
I am glad to see that someone else realizes that the US isn't as "hot" as it used to be...
Give it a few more years, we'll see who is the new world power. I have 10 minerals saying it won't be the USofA.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-11-23 at 23:33:31
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Let's put this into reality.
No Electricity:
# 1
Let's say your house was near a suicide bomber. You and your family were injured.
Your mother has lost her leg, and needs to get to a hospital, to get immediate help.
What good would getting her to the hospital if there is electricity? It is the same as leaving her back at home.
You need the elcetricity to save lives in the hospital.
#2
You have a bad heart condition, and you need to be constantly plugged into a wall. Without the heart-monitor, you would die.
So, no electricity isn't that bad?
No Clean Water:
#1
Again, you're in a hosptial, and you're dressing...(lol)your mother's wounds. If you have contaminated water, all that happens is the infection gains more bacteria, resulting in a more ferocious wound.
#2
You are extremley thirsty, but you cannot drink the water on the ground, because it has fallout from a bomb in it. Drink it, you... Die.
#3
Improper sewage systems. Anyone heard of the black plague? Poor sanititation is a virus' playground. Look at what happened to Europe in the Black Plague. They had poor sanititation, and over a third of the world's population died.
Yes, we do have ways to cure many of these disease's. [Sarcasm] But, why waist them on the middle east? All they are is a bunch of insufficient ragheads[/Sarcasm]
No Electricity:
# 1
Let's say your house was near a suicide bomber. You and your family were injured.
Your mother has lost her leg, and needs to get to a hospital, to get immediate help.
What good would getting her to the hospital if there is electricity? It is the same as leaving her back at home.
You need the elcetricity to save lives in the hospital.
#2
You have a bad heart condition, and you need to be constantly plugged into a wall. Without the heart-monitor, you would die.
So, no electricity isn't that bad?
No Clean Water:
#1
Again, you're in a hosptial, and you're dressing...(lol)your mother's wounds. If you have contaminated water, all that happens is the infection gains more bacteria, resulting in a more ferocious wound.
#2
You are extremley thirsty, but you cannot drink the water on the ground, because it has fallout from a bomb in it. Drink it, you... Die.
#3
Improper sewage systems. Anyone heard of the black plague? Poor sanititation is a virus' playground. Look at what happened to Europe in the Black Plague. They had poor sanititation, and over a third of the world's population died.
Yes, we do have ways to cure many of these disease's. [Sarcasm] But, why waist them on the middle east? All they are is a bunch of insufficient ragheads[/Sarcasm]
those are all controlled factors. our ancestors have lived for thousands of years without electricity and clean water. did they live in bad conditions?
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The subject at hand is why religion is bad. We do know that the Middle East have been fighting for as long as there has been religion. That is what the Crusade's were based off of. RELIGION.
Besides, if you look at most of the wars, they have religion in them. I am not saying all. But definitley more than 75%. Imo, the 2 biggest factors in war are:
► Religion
► Money
Because of those 2 benefactors, there is war. If money and religion didn't exist(and we all lived in a utopia) wars would rarely occur.
Besides, if you look at most of the wars, they have religion in them. I am not saying all. But definitley more than 75%. Imo, the 2 biggest factors in war are:
► Religion
► Money
Because of those 2 benefactors, there is war. If money and religion didn't exist(and we all lived in a utopia) wars would rarely occur.
75% HAH! id like to find an actual source that says that. the 2 biggest factors are from power and money.
lets review.
Roman Conquest: Land/Power
Crusades: Religion
Revolutionary: Freedom
Civil War: States rights/Slavery
WWI: Power
WW2: Power/Land
There were way more wars. If any of them were started by religion please tell me. So far all of the religious wars happend in the middle east. The rest were for power and money.
I hate arguing lets leave it as it is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-23 at 23:35:40
Try some Wars that don't involve the USA, dude.
Hell no. Hell farking no.
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Crusades: Religion
Hell no. Hell farking no.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-11-23 at 23:54:15
lolz i cant remember any wars that wernt USA... anyway point any out that were started by religion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-11-23 at 23:56:51
That about says it all when it comes to religion.
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lolz i cant remember any wars that wernt USA... anyway point any out that were started by religion.
Thats because we're in all the big wars.. all the small conflicts we stay out of because the two ations fighting suck ass.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-11-24 at 00:05:05
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Roman Conquest: Land/Power
Crusades: Religion
Revolutionary: Freedom
Civil War: States rights/Slavery
WWI: Power
WW2: Power/Land
Crusades: Religion
Revolutionary: Freedom
Civil War: States rights/Slavery
WWI: Power
WW2: Power/Land
Sorry to say this, but you didn't included any of the important wars through European history.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Forsaken on 2005-11-24 at 00:07:10
QUOTE(Sie_Sayoka @ Nov 23 2005, 08:33 PM)
those are all controlled factors. our ancestors have lived for thousands of years without electricity and clean water. did they live in bad conditions?[right][snapback]363223[/snapback][/right]
Cough Black Plague Cough
So, you're telling me they way our ancestor's lived was easy? I can't satn the ignorance in this statement.
Greeks had a rough life. Living off of meager portions of food. A piece of bread and a few olives a day, for their meals.
Egyptians:
Go live over there with out access to running water. Yes, there is the Nile. But walk about 15 miles away and see how far you get without water.
I can keep naming them... But, I prefer to keep it to the point.
QUOTE(Sie_Sayoka @ Nov 23 2005, 08:33 PM)
75% HAH! id like to find an actual source that says that. the 2 biggest factors are from power and money.
lets review.
Roman Conquest: Land/Power
Crusades: Religion
Revolutionary: Freedom
Civil War: States rights/Slavery
WWI: Power
WW2: Power/Land[right][snapback]363223[/snapback][/right]
lets review.
Roman Conquest: Land/Power
Crusades: Religion
Revolutionary: Freedom
Civil War: States rights/Slavery
WWI: Power
WW2: Power/Land[right][snapback]363223[/snapback][/right]
See statement below.
QUOTE(Sie_Sayoka @ Nov 23 2005, 08:33 PM)
There were way more wars. If any of them were started by religion please tell me. So far all of the religious wars happend in the middle east. The rest were for power and money.[right][snapback]363223[/snapback][/right]
This has got to be, the stupidest thing I have, ever heard.
Here we go:
French Wars of Religion
Crusades
Reeconquista
Civil War
The 30 years War(Look towards the bottom half)
The entire page Pt. 1
Same as the one above Pt. 2
A few more Wars...
QUOTE(Sie_Sayoka @ Nov 23 2005, 08:33 PM)
I hate arguing lets leave it as it is.
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Not until I know I won, or have been been defeated by a "real" argument.
QUOTE(Shapechanger @ Nov 23 2005, 08:35 PM)
Try some Wars that don't involve the USA, dude.
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Who is this referring too?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-11-24 at 01:21:49
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This has got to be, the stupidest thing I have, ever heard.
Here we go:
French Wars of Religion
Crusades
Reeconquista
Civil War
The 30 years War(Look towards the bottom half)
The entire page Pt. 1
Same as the one above Pt. 2
A few more Wars...
Here we go:
French Wars of Religion
Crusades
Reeconquista
Civil War
The 30 years War(Look towards the bottom half)
The entire page Pt. 1
Same as the one above Pt. 2
A few more Wars...
sure looks like 75% to me... LOL!
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Cough Black Plague Cough
So, you're telling me they way our ancestor's lived was easy? I can't satn the ignorance in this statement.
Greeks had a rough life. Living off of meager portions of food. A piece of bread and a few olives a day, for their meals.
Egyptians:
Go live over there with out access to running water. Yes, there is the Nile. But walk about 15 miles away and see how far you get without water.
I can keep naming them... But, I prefer to keep it to the point.
So, you're telling me they way our ancestor's lived was easy? I can't satn the ignorance in this statement.
Greeks had a rough life. Living off of meager portions of food. A piece of bread and a few olives a day, for their meals.
Egyptians:
Go live over there with out access to running water. Yes, there is the Nile. But walk about 15 miles away and see how far you get without water.
I can keep naming them... But, I prefer to keep it to the point.
lol your forgetting all of the other civilizations. the greeks had it easy and why would you walk 15 miles away from water? People live perfectly without electricity and clean water. maybe not by your perspective but by thiers it was very suitable.
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Not until I know I won, or have been been defeated by a "real" argument.
ok sure buddy you won
it seems to me that you actually like arguing. i do not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-24 at 11:38:51
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Who is this referring too?
To Sie.
And I would just direct your arguments away from him. He's one of those people who refuse to budge because the world revolves around them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Forsaken on 2005-11-24 at 12:04:24
QUOTE(Shapechanger @ Nov 24 2005, 08:38 AM)
And I would just direct your arguments away from him. He's one of those people who refuse to budge because the world revolves around them.
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I noticed this. Sie lives in his ignorant little world.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-11-24 at 18:26:55
now comes the flaming... damn what the hell is wrong with you people. im saying my opininon and you guys come in and say im wrong with no evidence.
just because you think you are right doesnt mean that it is right. you have to respect other peoples opinions.
just because you think you are right doesnt mean that it is right. you have to respect other peoples opinions.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-24 at 18:29:50
No evidence.
Im sorry, but I'll have to take a few minutes to laugh my ass off.
Im sorry, but I'll have to take a few minutes to laugh my ass off.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-11-24 at 18:33:42
QUOTE(Sie_Sayoka @ Nov 23 2005, 11:33 PM)
Roman Conquest: Land/Power
Crusades: Religion
Revolutionary: Freedom
Civil War: States rights/Slavery
WWI: Power
WW2: Power/Land
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Crusades: Religion
Revolutionary: Freedom
Civil War: States rights/Slavery
WWI: Power
WW2: Power/Land
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The crusades were not religious wars. Religion was the cover story, so that everyone would support it.
The actual reason for the war was power and money. I mean, seriously, they went for Antioch.
Antioch = UBER TRADE ROUTE
And Sie Sayoka, if you don't like arguments, dont get into one. I think you're only trying to stop arguing because you know you've been defeated, and want to try and break even.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-24 at 18:54:28
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it seems to me that you actually like arguing. i do not.
Let me clarify. We do like to argue, but that's not why we are arguing right now. We are trying to show you that you are taking the whole matter strictly from a single point of view and you don't even have any sources.
If you wish, I will get sources.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by guardien on 2005-11-24 at 21:42:37
Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.
Weaker people will suffer an inspiration and the such, and could go on a suicidal/homicidal tear. Aslo, this keeps people a hope, maybe even a reaon to live, look at nuns and the such. It's because of religion they are so unchanged.
Stronger people will stop attacking abortion centres, and wars do to religion wouldn't of even started (well, based from religion) The wars around the fertile lands of (or around) Jeruselum. Maybe love would change as well, since marrage is directly connected to love and religion. It's like losing the apple tree to the apples or vice versa.
Religion needs to change, adapt to the modern world. Let it go, let woman be priets, let priets have children, let the wars be settled, allow change, allow new theories, and let them be challanged, until you come to the ultimate conclusion, whatever that may be.
Weaker people will suffer an inspiration and the such, and could go on a suicidal/homicidal tear. Aslo, this keeps people a hope, maybe even a reaon to live, look at nuns and the such. It's because of religion they are so unchanged.
Stronger people will stop attacking abortion centres, and wars do to religion wouldn't of even started (well, based from religion) The wars around the fertile lands of (or around) Jeruselum. Maybe love would change as well, since marrage is directly connected to love and religion. It's like losing the apple tree to the apples or vice versa.
Religion needs to change, adapt to the modern world. Let it go, let woman be priets, let priets have children, let the wars be settled, allow change, allow new theories, and let them be challanged, until you come to the ultimate conclusion, whatever that may be.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-25 at 02:00:16
I like the idea of changing religion, though I doubt anybody would agree. Many of the Bishops and the like love it that way and want to keep it that way.
ADDITION:
Change Anybody to Everybody*
ADDITION:
Change Anybody to Everybody*