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what the hell are you talking about?

Something I started thinking about when I was reading 1984 by George Orwell.

What if humans are their own self-creators...
What if reality only exists within the human consiousness... I mean you can make someone believe something. As in the book, you can make someone believe 2+2=5. Its real to them. Has anyone, I know I have, ever felt that this reality is fake? That theres a tear somewhere that you can pull on to rip open this facade?
In the book, it says that there is no past. That our consiousness creates the past. That we will never get out deep into space simply because nothingness is there. Just a neverending realm of nothingness.

So, I'll say the question again...
What if reality only truly exists within the realm of human consiousness?

that seems unlikeyly there are things that are beyond our comprehension of thinking if our own consiousness is the existing universe id think that we might be a little more devine than we are now.

Not EVERYTHING is predestined, you nit wit.

How isn't it?

If everything has a purpose that has caused it, then how is not everything predestined... well in a sort of way it is and another it's not... that's what mesa think.

(Am I making any sense?)

I said that wrong.

Mistakes are deemed mistakes by human perception; Thus, making them undestined as mistakes, but destined as choices, for that is what they are.

Uh no. You see the way its explained is that its a combined consiousness. The commons don't know much beut are kept into the illusion of reality. Think the matrix in a way. All that world is in their consiousness, yet they think its fine. You obviously think that if you make something you instantly know everything about it.

In my opinion, there is no way to tell if fate exists. Like what Doodan said, no one knows what will happen next, but there is no way to tell if things are predetermined. Everything happens for a reason, but we can't tell if that reason is fate. If fate is real, then that would mean that every moment of every life in the world would have to be intricately planned out, even to the point of deciding a person's exact emotions at that point. Also, you would have to plan the personality, because people have different reactions to different things when having certain emotions. A summary of what I'm saying is this: If fate exists, that would take infinite planning. On the other hand, if fate isn't real, then that would mean that you would change the course of your life on a daily basis. Example: Person A is angry at Person B. Person B can apologize for what they've done, or they can choose to be angry back. Apologizing would most likely make Person A feel better, and the dispute would be over. However, by being angry back, they could quite possibly lose a friend, and cut off some social contact, because Person A might spread the word that Person B is [sub]insert mean word here[/sub]. In this situation, if fate is real, Person B would be destined to choose a certain option, which comes back to the immense planning part. I think this argument could go either way, but I'm leaning a little bit more towards no fate.

I still think of it like a big story. You can create a very smart character (even characters that are supposed to be smarter than the author, as is the case with human writers), but that doesn't mean the character becomes so smart that they can change the story they're in. I've never been outsmarted by my characters before, although I've written characters that are supposed to be more intelligent than someone with my intellect would be.

I like the way Doodan describes fate. It certainly gives me a new perspective but I still don't believe the fate exists. I think that man is 90% control of his own life. The other 10% is left to other men. You don't ALWAYS get an option. Oh and Doodan, who do you think is in control of fate sence you believe it.

God, I suppose. But when I think of "God" I don't think of a vengeful old man with a flowing white beard. I think of it as some sort of massive consciousness that likes to be entertained, perhaps at our expense. I really don't mind thinking that way though. Some people have the attitude "OMFG! No one tells me what to do!", but I am not bothered at all by the idea that everything has been prescripted. Like me writing this now, for instance.

I can't find an evolution topic to post this in, so I'll put it here.
Were the first cells ubiquitous around the Earth? If not, then what are the chances of three unicellular organisms (mitochondria, big prokaryote, and chloroplast) being in the exact same place, where the big cell can gulp up the mitochondria and chloroplast? Then, how long could a cell live back then? But, if cells were common around the early Earth, then I'm happy.
This is out of curiosity, not the want to criticize science...

OMG, not this again...

I will refrain from making any posts in here(other than this one) simply because we've had this friggin arguement too many times in the past.

So if god is in control, then we aren't. I can't seam to get it in my head that the choices I make aren't really mine. I am sure someone has influenced a choice of yours before. I hate to bring this up but, what if time travel were to bring someone to influence your choice. Could god change these prescripted choices or would it destroy the balance?

You're telling that me posting my ass is for a reason?
Why yes it is!

That is a fantastic question. It'll keep me occupied for a while. Keep in mind that my analogies are what I've become comfortable with and don't necessarily represent any school of thought.


Whoa... hold it. I've got your answer. I just thought of it. It's just the author rewriting. Like how George Lucas has done with the Star Wars movies. They'd been finished for so many years but George decided he wanted to go back and make some tweaks and change some dialouge. The author reserves the right to change the story at any time. lol

Then again how can you determine that there is a god afterall?

No one can phsically prove or disprove god's existance. However, I've come to the conclusion that some supernatural conciousness exists out there. I think the source of conflict in a lot of people has to do with them assigning god with human emotions. Or the idea that god rewards/punishes (most people's perception of god is very similar to the way they truly feel about their parents).

When I was younger, I was all like "Christianity is a hoax!" and "Religion is for suckers" and "Beware the invisible man in space who will burn you in hell, yet loves you". But as I've grown, I've come to realize it consumes too much energy to keep trying to shoot down something that has never harmed you in the first place.

Not to mention you can get far in life by choosing a religious alliance. Pick your battles. You can't fight everything.

But you see, the author can't rewrite the movie that is in play, maybe before it has began, but not during. Just as god or this super natural force can't change it, it would destroy the balance.


This is a rather important question for me. Do you believe there is the write and wrong choice? Good or bad? There is a difference. Or do you think neither?

Ok ok. If our fate was pre-determined, then we are pre-determined to commit the sins that we commit, so god can't exist because if our fate is pre-detemined we don't have a choice of what we can or can't do. So god has nothing to do with fate, the ideas clash with each other and you have to accept one or the other, or none. Therefore anyone in here who has decided to believe in both ideas are walking paradoxes, which is.. bad.

I belive that everything happends for a reason. It will make your life harder or easier. the daily stuff shapes who you are and what you will become. so fate is an easy thing to belive in.

*SIGH*!


If predestination is real then you were predestined to think that it is not predestined. If things happen without reason and if predestination is real then they are predestined to happen without reason. You can't disprove this or prove this. God cannot be a "predestinator" because then god would know of the sins that we would do before we do them, thus making hell a pointless punishment. (on a side not I don't believe in either religion or pre-determined fates.)