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Hey Jet_Blast. Good job with the flames against the individual.

If I\'m not mistakened, does it not state in the rules that an Ad Hominem is against them?

Edit: The United States needs to revert to Anarchy. To fix the system.

well like when you think about it if there were enforcers that would make them have more power than other people. therefore making an upper class. even if you try to create peace without government you usually have to set up some form of it.

I never said I loved it. I said I enjoy it. AND I said I would grow tired of it.

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It is not actually. Greed is learned depending on your environment. Its where you were raised and where your education took place and what kind of education you got. We are not greedy by nature. That is a completely utter lie.

Show me a society or place where greed is not prevalent. A SINGLE one. If you can't, then you have an opinion, and even then not one based in reality.

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Demaris.. using "big words" does not make you look smart. I believe every single person on sen could if they felt like it.

I don't use "big words" to "look smart". This is just how I talk. JUST because I use words you don't hear in day-to-day conversation, DOESN'T mean I'm using them to impress people like you. I don't need to.

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As Ting of the past said, its a world without rulers, not without rules

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. Anarchy = no government, no rulers. It does not however mean chaos or barbarism.

It seems to me that we don't live in the same world. Where I live, people are selfish, greedy, racist and homophobic. Now I don't exactly think they would live in harmony with eachother. What some people don't realize, or don't want to realize, is that people WILL NOT GET ALONG LEFT ALONE.


Look at the prisoners and gaurds experiments.

Make one set of people the "prisoners" and the other set the "gaurds".

After a week or two the "gaurds" start becoming sadistic and cruel to the "prisoners".

Wow, I think that works out to good sociey?

In THAT case: Anarchy becomes Tyranny.

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What we have now is barbarism.

Yes, because the freedoms we have in america are just terrible.
Barbarism would be one group of people coming to my house and taking everything I own because there is no government to stop them.







Anarchy means no government.

No government means no infrastructure. I.E. Police, fire department, water (unless you have your own well)

No police means crime is unregulated.

Thus, Anarchy means crime is an unregulated factor.



YOU DO NOT HAVE ANARCHY AND ANY SORT OF CIVIL SERVICES. THAT IS NO LONGER ANARCHY.





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Wow, huge post

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Just to let you people know, I'm not conservative. I'm straight down the middle moderate.

The reason we have police is because the government has taken away guns and the right to defend themselves against criminals from the people.

People can defend themselves against crime, they don't need police.
By that I don't mean that they don't need organization. Organization is often a good tool to fight crime with, and an in anarchy I predict that people would band together to fight violent criminals.

The police spend most of the time arresting prostitutes and weed sellers anyway, and they aren't really that affective at stopping murderers, despite what America's Most Wanted would like to have you think.

I could also argue if I wanted to really heat things up, that the state is the cause of this violent crime in the first place. (Don't respond to this paragraph, I won't defend it, I'm not arguing it).

When we hear about anarchy, the truth often is that the rule by a police state has been temporary superseded by rule by the gang state. They're both the same, except the police try to be civilized about it.

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I agree 100%. It really annoys me when left wing libertarians try to pretend they're anarchists. They're not, they're just stupid posers who give real anarchists a bad rap.

Real anarchists are against things like gun control.

I believe that anarchy is a stable form of government when placed appropriately.

I live in Alaska, and know several people who live in the middle of nowhere. (Quite litterally) Basically the only contact many have with government is through the land taxes they sometimes pay. There is hardly any interaction whatsoever. Taking away the burden of government for these places would not make much difference, as they do what they want anyway.

On a side note, many of our rural area judges have died in mysterious plane crashes while sentencing members of remote villages..

The PEOPLE would make the rules and the PEOPLE would enforce them. Everyone would have an equal say. If one person went against everyone else's rules, E.G. tried to kill someone, do you think that nothing would be done about it..? Lol.


Which is why every single time a government is made is it taken down by the people withen a few hundred years and sent to hell?

why do you think governments were made in the first place. if anarchy was the solution to create a utopia wouldnt you think it would of been made already? governments dont last because of either corruption or conquest. tell me if someone attacked a country thats government is anarchy how do you suppose they could defend themselves.

Governments were made because in the days before technology, many needed to consolidate resources and team up to survive against natural threats.

I hate it when people say "a county's government is anarchy".
If there is true anarchy, there is no government or country.

Do you honestly think that without law a society would still work out? Ok, so say a man trips a woman, the woman gets her friends and murders the man later. Afterwards a larger group of people attack the woman and her friends, who get more people. People wont naturally punish crime fairly without law, otherwise it wouldn't have been created in the first place.

@Jet_Blast54: Do you really think a women would murder a man for tripping her.
Are you really that cynical about human nature, becuase I'm not.

To support anarchy you need to be optimistic about human nature.

To bad democracy doesn't exist and is impossible as well.
America is a republic.

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Show me how the point still remains.

Democracy is not impossible, WHY would you say that?

Just look at ancient Greece. It functioned very well.

And I never said america was a democracy. I know full well it is a republic.

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I need food. I decide to take it from you.

You vandalize my house.

Same thing, escalation and retaliation.

Do you really think that someone with a lot of stress and/or has a slight mental defect that causes them to be aggressive would be thinking rationally? Being optimistic about human nature, doesn't make human nature good. If I think someone has AIDs, that doesn't cause them to get AIDs.

No Anarchy wouldn't work if it was filled with a bunch of idiots randomly mugging each other and stuff. The thing is, they would have no REASON to do that

In an Anarchist Utopia, if someone wanted food, they would ask kindly and receive kindly. If someone wanted an apple, they would ask kindly and receive kindly. If a painter was kindly asked for a painting, he would kindly give.

etc etc etc..

It's called a symbiotic relationship.

the world is full of idiots you cannot escape that. the world is full of selfish people you cannot escape that either. since the world is fill with undersirables anarchy would not work. the non-monetary system would not work. there would be no motivation for people to work.

take the symbiotic relationship of your family. you help each other like a normal family should. but sometimes you get disapointed and angry at them. now think of that to a total stranger.

Azu, I think this discussion is over. Anarchy is not possible with mankind, it's simply not.

You are the most optimistic people I have ever met in my whole life. Thank you for being so supportive and open-minded of my ideas.

That is why Anarchy will never work.

Once again, being optimistic doesn't do anything. If I was very optimistic it wouldn't cure everyone's mental defects, abused lives, etc.

Anarchy is simply no government. With no government around, there's no rules. Meaning you can do what ever you want. You can go into a house, rape the mother, kill the children, and take the food for yourself. And in no way be punished for it, unless people try to create communities. Which then lead to bigger communities, which then eventually leads right back to a government.

The only good thing about anarchy is the chance for you start again. That's the only defence anyone who supports anarchy can have.

If our current governments make us barbarians now, then anarchy will make us animals.

[center] This thread fails. Huff Raid, noobs.

Surfing through a proxy is no fun.

No one even bothered reading my other replies in this thread, so I've come to you in this form.

None of you are looking at the big picture. You're all too narrow-minded to comprehend what it is that we Anarchists actually do and think. With all these hypothetical 'but what if you had no food, and decided to rob your neighbor?' The thing is, you wouldn't be in a situation where you wouldn't have food. It's the current system of opression and hierarchy that causes people in the lower 'class' to go hungry. With equal rights, no one would be denied the necessities. Just because you clean the bathrooms at Taco Bell for a living doesn't make you less of a person, doesn't mean your liberties can be denied. But, sadly, that's the way it is in this world.
You guys don't look at the issue from both sides of the discussion. Sure, if there were no rules you could go around raping and pillaging at will, but is that all that's stopping you from doing that right now? Do animals have crime and punishment rules? Do animals go around killing for no reason? Didn't think so. You've all been polluted by the media, to pull a line from Anti-Flag - Anatomy Of Your Enemy, "Fourth step: Have the media broadcast only the ruling party's information, this can be done through state run media.
Remember, in times of conflict all for-profit media repeats the ruling party's information.
Therefore all for-profit media becomes state-run."
Capitalism does not work. You've all been brainwashed, you're no longer thinking for yourself.
The replies I've seen from some of you in this topic literally made me laugh. You're so obviously oblivious to any views other than your own, you come off as an arrogant, ignorant fool. Anarchy is not chaos, it's the exact opposite. Forming communitys where equality and liberty apply the same to everyone is the best form of society.[/center]

Hey you anarchist supporters, why don't you get off your chair and go outside, mabey read a newspaper, look around the community, then finnaly open your eyes to reality and commit suicide for thinking anarchy could work in the first place.

Honestly, you may think it works in your head but when its put into action, it fails worse than tim allens movies. To actaully think HUMANS could treat each other as equals or "share" without a government then you are a lost cause of society. Consider if a natural disaster happened, or a prolonged drout accured. Yes where is your civilized acting people now, a good example would be nawlins. No matter what humans will need to have a leader to guide them. To actaully give EVERYONE responsibility to work together in anarchy, is like saying there will be peace in the middle-east.

If you somehow actaully got a country to become anarchist, no matter what, SOMONE will try to become the leader.

We all need to stop posting in this topic because, anarchy will not work and theres nothing to discuss, let these people who support anarchy live in their own little fantasy world where a utopia can actaully exist with no form of leadership.

Just stop replying to this, theres no sense in argueing about it!

*edit* the pro anarchy arguements made me giggle