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Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheezyTheCheezeCake on 2006-03-15 at 16:59:12
It's all making sence. It's so simple: God does not exist.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-03-15 at 17:18:28
QUOTE(CheezyTheCheezeCake @ Mar 15 2006, 04:58 PM)
It's all making sence. It's so simple: God does not exist.
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I know, but for the purpose of this topic, you have to assume that it does. Unless it's your argument that God did not create evil because God doesn't exist. Most of us have been working within those lines, whether we believe or not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kyuubi. on 2006-03-15 at 20:35:43
it just depends what you believe in, i still say evil,god, devil, and the other stuff are you human-made ideas to explain what can't be explained. humans has created the idea for evil...but there is no proof that god created evil nor god even exists so human beliefs sound more realistic. we define evil as wrongdoing, going against certain human beliefs, and/or unhumane actions most of the time.

maybe the idea created by someone to bring people hope when times were bad was the purpose but there is still conflicts going on between science and religion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2006-03-17 at 20:15:35
QUOTE(CheezyTheCheezeCake @ Mar 15 2006, 04:58 PM)
It's all making sence. It's so simple: God does not exist.
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Prove he doesn't exist. I can't prove he does, but you can't prove he doesn't.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-03-17 at 23:11:57
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Mar 17 2006, 08:15 PM)
Prove he doesn't exist. I can't prove he does, but you can't prove he doesn't.
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That's always the predicament, isn't it? Each and every side claims something different, and various elements of each of those factions (Roman Catholics, Sunni Muslims, Shi'ite Muslims, Protestants, Atheists, list goes on..) think they have 'proof' of existence/non-existence. It's just that what so often happens is 'sheep' being led into mental submission through repetition while their minds are still malleable, and just as often the rabidly religious try to elevate their own view above everything else.

From your posts here it seems you're clearly not of that sort.

What it comes down to for me is that the notion of a 'God' just seems laughable. I don't think there is one, and I don't think it can be proved that there is one, but I don't go after people telling them there's no God, which would essentially be putting myself at the same level as the religious nuts that run this and so many other countries.


P.S. I think you used to be on my battle.net friend list...or maybe you still are.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-03-21 at 05:57:26
Laugh for some, & quite seriuos for others, arbitay. people are different
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-03-21 at 18:31:29
Why are you guys so closeminded? Just assume there is god and look at it that way. I can't believe I am saying this. Look at who I am and you shall be surprised. Just be openminded.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by kirby_star on 2006-03-21 at 19:02:35
I would say evil is evil and no one or nothing created it and it was just there if I didn't already sorta consider it to be sorta non-existant I mean think of it. Two nations fight each other. Nation one thinks of Nation two as evil while Nation two thinks of Nation one as evil. It is all comprehension
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-03-21 at 21:25:44
In order to claim there is evil, one must define evil.

Which is impossible because evil is just a perception of the human mind.

So no. He didn't.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-03-21 at 21:48:07
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Mar 21 2006, 09:25 PM)
In order to claim there is evil, one must define evil.

Which is impossible because evil is just a perception of the human mind.

So no.  He didn't.
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Go look up "evil" on a dictionary. JK!

Evil is not just the perception of human mind. Evil is the general awareness of the moral code of the society. Generally, bombing an embassy is immoral and is considered an evil act. Therefore, because "God" created these human beings with unstable minds, he created "evil."

And also, who says god is a male? Who knows if god is a female? There is no evidence god is a male in any source of literature.

And plus, it is quite sexist.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-03-21 at 22:02:06
QUOTE(Procures)
Evil is the general awareness of the moral code of the society.


Which is created by humans. Meaning: Perception of the human mind.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-03-21 at 22:10:52
WooT! Kellimus remembers my old name! WooT!!!

So according to your ideology, God is non-existant because God is a human perception as well and cannot be defined with the pure power of the words?

But then again, everything is in human perception. Name it, there it will be. Everything is really human defined. Therefore, everything is non-existant? I don't think that will work with this case. Evilness is the reality term here. The term was volleyed around a little and ended up with the description, general awareness of moral code and the absolute value from it is the moral acceptance. Farther away from it is, more "evil" it gets.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-03-21 at 22:20:39
QUOTE(DeadlyInnocence @ Mar 21 2006, 08:10 PM)
WooT! Kellimus remembers my old name! WooT!!!

So according to your ideology, God is non-existant because God is a human perception as well and cannot be defined with the pure power of the words?

But then again, everything is in human perception. Name it, there it will be. Everything is really human defined. Therefore, everything is non-existant? I don't think that will work with this case. Evilness is the reality term here. The term was volleyed around a little and ended up with the description, general awareness of moral code and the absolute value from it is the moral acceptance. Farther away from it is, more "evil" it gets.

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Nononono, lol (Of course Procures tongue.gif) I believe in God. I just don't believe he created "evil" because everything in this world is a perception (So technically, God could be a perception, but i'm not going to go into my beliefs on here)

"He is evil!" - "He is good!"

It's just all opinion and perseption
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-03-21 at 22:29:16
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Mar 21 2006, 10:20 PM)
Nononono, lol (Of course Procures tongue.gif) I believe in God.  I just don't believe he created "evil" because everything in this world is a perception (So technically, God could be a perception, but i'm not going to go into my beliefs on here)

"He is evil!" - "He is good!"

It's just all opinion and perseption
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You've changed and impressed me. If you were Kellimus back then, you would have argued how I was getting off topic.

So you believe in god. God creates all human beings, doesn't he? Or are there some other people who choose who gets to be who? Because God creates the person, doesn't God also create the evilness within people? I mean, he is omniscient. He would know who would be evil and naughty.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-03-21 at 23:25:58
QUOTE(DeadlyInnocence @ Mar 21 2006, 08:28 PM)
You've changed and impressed me. If you were Kellimus back then, you would have argued how I was getting off topic.

So you believe in god. God creates all human beings, doesn't he? Or are there some other people who choose who gets to be who? Because God creates the person, doesn't God also create the evilness within people? I mean, he is omniscient. He would know who would be evil and naughty.

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Well, nice thinking.. But that isn't how people become "evil"

"Evil" like I have said, is a human perception. And people become "evil" beause of their environment.

For example:

You grow up in a middle class home, with middle class things
I grow up in trailor trash. I'm beaten regularly, and i'm treated like shiz.

Now. Who do you think will turn out to be the better person? More than likely, you. But, there are so many variables, we are not going to go there, lol.

Basically, all I have been trying to say, is that everything in this world is psychological. Including God if you wish to get super technical (Like I stated before, i'm not getting my beliefs in here)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-03-22 at 06:47:32
I see your point. So you think it is the nature and the environment you grow in that makes a person evil?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-03-22 at 07:47:14
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Mar 22 2006, 05:25 AM)
In order to claim there is evil, one must define evil.

Which is impossible because evil is just a perception of the human mind.

So no.  He didn't.
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so you say, that there are some people, that would be more happy without their arms, legs, tounge, eyes & ears than with all those bodyparts ?


ADDITION:
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Mar 22 2006, 07:25 AM)
And people become "evil" beause of their environment.
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sometimes people change despite all negative things that were in their enviroment.
or visa versa, some peopel grow up in a rich/normal family & become evil.
there can be 2 ways of growing up in a bad enviroment :
1-you become allso bad, as your enviroment
2-you try to get away from it all, & become good

i cant think of an example for evil enviroment & becoming evil/good, but i can make an example of growing up in a non-educated & poor worker family & becoming a scientist. Lomonosov (a russian scientist)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-03-22 at 12:07:40
QUOTE(Jammed @ Mar 22 2006, 05:46 AM)
so you say, that there are some people, that would be more happy without their arms, legs, tounge, eyes & ears than with all those bodyparts ?
ADDITION:
sometimes people change despite all negative things that were in their enviroment.
or visa versa, some peopel grow up in a rich/normal family & become evil.
there can be 2 ways of growing up in a bad enviroment :
1-you become allso bad, as your enviroment
2-you try to get away from it all, & become good

i cant think of an example for evil enviroment & becoming evil/good, but i can make an example of growing up in a non-educated & poor worker family & becoming a scientist. Lomonosov (a russian scientist)
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There you go again. Pulling a Chris/TheDaddy. Creating falseifications out of nothing. NO WHERE did I say ANYTHING like that. So why are you creating a fabrication against what I said? If anything, your little reply there is off topic.. I never said ANYTHING like that. So please stop.

And if you read what I said, I said exactly what you just did -_-
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-03-22 at 14:28:50
Kellimus is right, A lot of people grow up “evil” because of there environment, that’s not only a reason, But out of hatred for something. Or something could of happened during there childhood. You never know, there about 100 possibilities


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so you say, that there are some people, that would be more happy without their arms, legs, tounge, eyes & ears than with all those bodyparts ?


Where the hell did that come from, who would be happy to loose any of them body parts?


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sometimes people change despite all negative things that were in their enviroment.
or visa versa, some peopel grow up in a rich/normal family & become evil.
there can be 2 ways of growing up in a bad enviroment :
1-you become allso bad, as your enviroment
2-you try to get away from it all, & become good

See this, is right, I’ve seen people out of all environments become good or bad. There always is a reason though.


Report, edit, etc...Posted by Whisper_Blade on 2006-03-22 at 18:38:18
How can you automatically attribute sides to love/hate, evil/good? Maybe good is just the absence of evil people there to balance the side. People are too prejudiced against some things.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-03-22 at 20:16:15
Love, hate, evil, good, bad, horrible, perfect.

ALL perceptions.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-03-23 at 04:18:50
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Mar 22 2006, 08:07 PM)
There you go again.  Pulling a Chris/TheDaddy.  Creating falseifications out of nothing.  NO WHERE did I say ANYTHING like that.  So why are you creating a fabrication against what I said?  If anything, your little reply there is off topic..  I never said ANYTHING like that.  So please stop.

And if you read what I said, I said exactly what you just did -_-
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i didnt say that you said something like that. i just said what i understood from your words.
Kellimus, if evil is only a preception, then different people can understand it differently... right ?
terrorists (not all, but most of them) kill innocent people & think it's good, when other people think it's bad. am i right ?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Firebird on 2006-03-23 at 09:07:19
Did satan create good?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-03-23 at 11:46:35
QUOTE(Firebird @ Mar 23 2006, 05:06 PM)
Did satan create good?
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if you belive in God, then - no.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-03-23 at 23:21:16
Do you guys ignore?

It's all perception.




This is pointless... -_-
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