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I like the idea, always have.


lol, I was suppose to get hit by a bus.....last year around this time. I'm still waiting for it to show up..... Maybe next year...

You can't be serious.
If he was not a global mod he would be banned. As for people saying "Well, he didn't spread it on SEN" that is a mere loophole that you guys created so you could all be nicer to him. He made it to affect STARCRAFT MAP MAKING, SEN is the biggest map making community, so it was his intentions for it to affect SEN. Obviously, he's not a moron I'm going to ask a question very boldly:
Why the F*CK would someone who's trying to hide the fact they were trying to destroy any chance map makers had secuirty over their map use their OWN NAME (Thus REVEALING WHO IT IS) and then spread it on SEN?
You guys think "Well he just didn't want SEN to be affect" no, he just wasn't a fool. He knew if he had posted on an alt account an ip would traced to him, or either way, it would leave a loose end of "Who made OSMAP" and after a few hours of investigating it would lead to him. It's pretty much like sniping someone over the border. If I'm in Spain at the border and some important French person is about to cross the border but I shoot him before he can get to it, I shouldn't be charged because it "DIDN'T HAPPEN IN FRANCE."

But why do I bother, this is SEN we're talking about, something can be so wrong you'll be banned but as soon as it affects the people running the site policies change. Here's what will happen: Legacy is demodded (Big surprise) a few months (2-3) of struggle in the mod area since there's a lack of a Global mod. And since SEN is mostly morons anyway no new mods are appointed so they to: LegacyWeapon. Man that punishment really sunk in, I'm sure no one will ever try doing this again.

Many of you are extremely presumptuous, it's disturbing.

I use OSMAP mainly to "fix" old maps that use overlaps in the map name, to make them playable again. It can be a useful tool.
On the other hand, it would be nice if there was no protection at all, then unprotection wouldn't be necessary.
Protection is bad.

From what I've seen, protecting a map is a death sentence. People like to make new versions of maps.
Take Team Micro Arena or Nexus Destroyers as an example. Nobody plays the original versions anymore. The longevity of the maps comes from the player's ability to edit them.
In TMA emerald I see this:
That's not map stealing, that's collaboration, and many TMA players consider Emerald to be one of the best versions ever made.
Think that would have happened if the original had been protected? No.

By the way, anti-unprotection zealots, OSMAP's existance dosen't automatically void all protection in the universe. The program itself isn't even particularly well known. If you protect you map, chances are that it will be reasonably safe. (though, as mentioned above, it could end up being the doom of it)

Wow Kenoli, good point. But still, should it really be in the hands of just any bnet character to be doing 'updates' to maps? That's the real point here.

Supposedly, blizzard patches aren't supposed to destroy maps. That seems to be an issue mainly with the recent one. Unless it happens again in any significant way, I don't think that necessarily voids protection use. For that we'd have to wait and see, though.

ADDITION:
By the way, map "collaboration" isn't necessarily the rule. Most of the time its just rigging or counter-rigging. Occasionally also stealing.

Bnet ain't no wikipedia, you know.

Yes.

There are quite a few maps that have been enhanced by edits from random battle.net people.
Even when it's nothing but rigging, it keeps the map popular. If people have fun playing it, what else matters?

Also, SEN is a bit different that battle.net. There's no reason for people to not collaborate on maps here. We are all capable of not erasing names from a map.

Kenoli, in reply to your previous post, what you showed us was editting(for good or for bad) and i really don't think anyone has a problem with that. the problem comes when people map steal and erase all the previous owners.

Well I never implied every map needs protection. Some, like RPGs, would definitely benefit from it, though. Maps that generally benefit less from being publicly accessible than they risk from being outright stolen, that is.

The issue isn't about what possible gain there is from having unprotection. It's about whether it's ok to remove the option for those wishing not to have their works stolen. If they don't wish that, or don't care, then that's fine. In fact, I would encourage keeping open source if you can afford it, as I try to make a practice of myself lately.

But for some things, and some contexts, you just can't.



Authors should always have more say in the matter of their own creations than random bnet strangers. Not everyone can afford to have to prove their sincerity if it comes under fire in cases of theft. And some don't even try, and then you have one less map maker in the community.

Remember when devilesk won the july map making contest? People female doged and female doged saying that he shouldn't have won because of his reputation as a member, not a map maker.

You guys are doing exactly the same thing with LegacyWeapon. Just because he created OSMAP you think he should no longer be a global moderator. Yes he will probably lost much respect as a person by many of us, but that does not mean he should be revoked of his license to moderate. He's one of our best moderators out there; firing him only hurts SEN.

Like with Devilesk, you guys are making up completely irrelevant excuses to revoke someone of their status. You're using invalid reasons to fire LW from his position as a Global Moderator.


Oh, and just so you know, being a Global moderator isn't a status; it's a job. Status is your reputation as a person; whether you're a staff member or not. For instance, Tuxedo-templar. Although he's only a Regular, he's still got status. LegacyWeapon probably has low status now, but that has nothing to do with him being a moderator.

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But w/e... please lets just forget this whole thing guys. The more we female dog about it, the worse it all becomes. Let us fill our minds with other issues and continue on with our lives as if nothing happened; we were doing fine a day or two ago weren't we?

wow you guys all freak out, its just a game!

He took advantage of his position and Mod power to make that Protection sticky. He told people to tell him the new protection methods, so he got an easy ride to breaking them. He abused his power.

What you're saying is foreign to me, I don't underatnd how you can actually belive this.
It's comical really.

Well but from what I see, his "lack of judgement and professionality" existed outside of SEN; it existed when he went around on an undercover name spreading it on battle.net's forums. It existed when he secretly made his OSMAP better and better. I can see his "lack of judgement and professionality" when it comes to his actions with OSMAP, both creating it and spreading it.

... but not when it comes to his personality/actions here on SEN. SEN's rules/ettiquette apply here and only here on SEN; likewise the United States of America's laws/morals exist here and only here in the United States, nowhere else.

This issue is quite simple. I am the only member here who has created maps that have
been played publically on Battle.net for the past four years. People are playing them
right now. Thusly, to decide if unprotection is good or bad, one only needs to look at
how it would effect me. Nothing else matters. I'll say right now, I can only be harmed by
unprotection, not benefited by it. Therefore unprotection is bad.

So have I. I've also made maps that have been wellspread throughout battle.net.

So if you look at unprotection for me, people would still know that I am the original maker. And it's going to be hard to spread "newer" versions of my map since my versions are already being played by many people.

When I went to make my post, I could only think of two people who have made popular
Battle.net maps who go here: MillenniumArmy and Tuxedo-Templar. Yours are the only
maps I have seen played publically. Frankly though, I hate you as a person and as a
map maker. No one would ever steal or rig your maps because they are not original
and not worth playing. Also it would be pretty hard for someone to rig Tux's fishing map.
I -suppose- Trigger Happy D could be at risk, but neither of you have maps that are
played publically at this point in time.

For the argument about asking people how things are done you cant always do that look at dabbu long gone and his map is protected.

Protecting was never a right to the map maker maps are owned by blizzard and i quote from staredit:



Legacy had the right to make this program its called free will, and he didnt brake any laws, and he hasnt signed anything legally that would make it so he cant make it.
Just as Moose has the legal right to demote him.
I do not support him being demoted but i do not support the release of this program as it does allow massive amounts of crap maps to appear.
But I do approve of it in a learning aspect I have used it several times for learning purposes.

Pulling things out of your arse. Name one piece of information that he did not already use to make OSMAP better. All he did was undo his current Uberation code. HE CREATED THAT CODE. He does not need people with the mentality of 3 year olds telling him how to make an uprotector. Case closed. We've already finished with that argument. The Question now is the reason for demotion. Which was entirely uncalled for as MA has clearly explained. Using MA's logic, if I drank alcohol in Germany where the age is 16. Then came back to the states, where the age is 21, should I be arrested for underage drinking?

I totally agree, if i would have had osmap i would have just fixed path d and income defence when the update came and just removed the over lap. (now i have versions of both that can work so im good) again, i restate my point, who are we trying to impress with our mapping skills? Not the people playing battl.net, they dont care, all of us are trying to make a good impresion and show off our skills to us on staredit.

As long as you are the first to submit a map on staredit data base, its yours as far as im concerned. And if some one would submit a game like particle arena and call it their own, we would know that that person didnt make it. Im not a popular mapper, if i saw a game named ff8 battle on the games list, even if it said some one else made it, id be happy people like my map enough to play it. (Its probably a diferent story for you popular guys)

There are many times which i could have used a map unprotector, not to steal, but like if i accedently protected my map and the .bac ver of it is way behind. Also, sometimes, i just want the .wav file! Now i see it as, why protect if theres an unprotector.

I think staredit should host the unprotector, so those of us who need it, we can use it for mapping purposes. If staredit does have it, they could host a bug-free version and make sure we dont get viruses from dling it. Weapon should be thanked, we all needed to wake up, times have changed and we should go with the enevetable, not against it.

And also remember, ITS JUST A GAME, IT WONT MATTER 2 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN YOU ARE OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL, AND IF YOU AN ADULT PLAYING SC GET A LIFE! (no offence if you guys are)

Sure it is. Just wait until v5.


Wrong. Read what Yosh said about LW in the first (now locked) topic.


You are not Moose or IP, so you can't possibly know.

I disagree. There are people with brains. Urmom, Kenoli, and some more. Moose is just hella conservative on this matter, he thinks only his current Global Mod's are worthy enough to wield the power.


I'm interested... what maps ? And you claim that you're the only member, when there are MA, Bolt_Head, Tuxedo Templar.


The bold part is so flawed. You claim that only original and interesting maps are rigged/stolen ? Everything gets rigged in b-net. And crap also. I think those words bypassed your logics part of the brain because, as you said, you hate him as a person and a mapmaker.

And also you say that both of them have no mpas that are played now. Well, I can say that Wall Ball is played, House of the Haunted is played, and a fiew other maps that have their name on them are played. Just go to Europe.

LW dirty lied to us all also to moose. I think this requires no more explanations about why he did get fired.