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I say it's wrong. Getting knocked up even though you can't take care of a child. How immature and irresponsible is that?! It's like, "oops I'm pregnant, oh well, I can just KILL... I mean, abort the baby". Abortion is pre-emptive murder.

Of course there's always gray areas and exceptions.

I see only one situation where it is remotely ok to kill the fetus. When the child would be severely and permanently handicapped or has a terminal disease that would bring great pain and kill the child. It would be ok to kill the child/fetus or, whatever you want to call it because the disease can't be cured because medicine and genetics aren't advanced enough. Eggs, sperm, and cells are all alive but they are not sentinent beings. It is ok to kill a non-sentinent being but not ok to kill a sentinent one. The fetus is a sentinent being as soon as it has a brain. The brain is one of the first organs the fetus grows. The approximate amount of time for the growing is still unknown. Life works like this: If you're strong (I don't mean physicaly) you live, and if you're weak you die. Let life decide whether the person will live, not the whore mother. In most cases, the girl/woman becomes pregnant because she f***ed out of her own free will without careing about the risk of having a child.

Its wrong to have Abortion, if you stupid enuf have unsafe sex or even having sex should be ready to know she could get preg. So you have be real man or lady to take whats coming. A brand new life is about be born something that is joyful, not something you just go and kill.

The female will have to make the choice of whether to do it or not.
This might be for the best interest for the unborn child or for her.
Even if the child has a problem, lets say down syndrome, its up to the mother to choose whether her love is strong enough to care for the child.

Abortion is a quick answer to pregnancy, whethever the question stems from a bad or good one.

See, thing with us males we dont have deal with pain or upset of giving up a child. Much worst for female to give up unborn or born child because it is part of them. Like cutting big bit outta the female heart. So i say down with Abortion!!

It is wrong for the mother to have an abortion especially if she is stupid enough to have unsafe sex. The whole point of mistakes is to learn from them. The whorewoman will not learn anything from her stupid mistake. The way things work is that you can fool everyone, but you can't fool life. Abortion is like convincing life that 2+2=fish.

let the women decide, its her baby

I really didn't have time to read what everyone said (i'm sorry, most of you say the same thing with different words)

Sure, it IS the women's right to choose, she can choose to kill her baby or to let her/him live. I mean, even if she is raped, there are still better alternatives to killing the baby... adoption?

There is much history in the past that is written that associates baby sacrifices with demonic practices...good job.

So everyone say's that an unborn child is not a child yet.. well, i have a quote for you.

"If it's not a baby, then she isn't pregnant."

Why don't you hold a funeral for every miscarriage, then? Should it be illegal for women to smoke while pregnant? Ooh, should it be illegal to use a condom? I mean, the potential for a human life is there. Not getting a woman pregnant through birth control is the same as smothering the potential life of an unborn person, right?

Human life is cheap. Why worry about people who won't know the meaning of sadness when there are millions of dying people who are already alive?

No, why would they have a funeral if there is no body? I'm sure people cry when there is a misscarriage.

Nozomu, you are taking it to the extreme. Understand that a child has a chance to grow and live in life, the millions of people that die every day, they had their shot at life. THE BABIES DONT! THEY HAVE NO CHANCE! What if you were aborted, how fair is it now?

No, no it's not.

If I was aborted, I wouldn't care because I wouldn't exist. Not much of a loss, eh?

Let the woman decide..

Assume destroying an undeveloped fetus is murder because it CAN become life is murder. Does that mean destroying it .00001 miliseconds after the sperm has entered the egg is murder also? It COULD had become life over time. What about withdrawing, is that murder? Those sperm COULD have had a chance to become human, and the man has just aborted that oppurtunity. Did he commit murder?

If I destroy a brick, have I destroyed a fully developed house? Or just a brick?

Nobody cries when a parimecium dies, or when a grasshopper is stepped on. Nobody cries when a chicken's head is decapitated, but the one second a sperm and an egg is united, it becomes a huge issue.


But the parents are not ready to be parents. Maybe if they abort the baby, they can learn something from the experience and in the future when they are mature enough to be parents, they can properly raise a kid. On the other hand, making a kid live with parents who aren't qualified for parenthood could be detrimental to his physical and mental health.

It's up to the mother. If the child is born into a world where the mother isnt ready to care for it, then it will have a very hard start on life.
What if the father isn't there to support the child? Though IMO it isn't a good reasonable reason to abort the child, the child wouldn't grow to it's potential.
It's the mothers choice whether to do it or not. Maybe it's a wrong decision she'll make, or maybe it's in the best interest of the child yet to be.

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An undeveloped fetus *will* become a person (barring any unforseen circumstances). When someone decides to abort the baby, they choose to kill it.

Yeah, I guess no one cries when a paramecium or grasshopper dies, but we're on the subject of human life and they do not have the potential to become a human. I probably would not cry if a baby is aborted either, but I still think it's a huge injustice to kill it. I'm sure there are a lot of people willing to adopt and the woman isn't always alone in taking care of the child, chances are she's got some family and friends willing to help.

If someone suddenly loses their job and can no longer support their five-year old kid, is it okay to kill them? Killing a human as a fetus is just doing it earlier. When a girl gets an unwanted pregnancy because of unprotected sex (which in most times is the case), she shouldn't kill the baby because of her own inabilities in raising a child, it's called responsibility.

I want to ask, when does it start to be wrong to kill a baby? When is it exactly considered a baby in your eyes therefore being murder if aborted?

I don't know how to answer this, because there are several things wrong in this world that are more important that this. I never really cared, in other words! Besides, there are too many people on earth!

An independant sperm is just about to meet an egg also *will* become a person. However, by withdrawing or wearing a condom, The male has expunged the potential for the sperm and the egg to become a person. Has he chosen to kill the baby by interfering with the process?


A paramecium and grasshopper are actually alive whereas a fetus is not. People seem to care more about the fetus when it's just a bunch of organic matter. It has developed no memories, not capable of feeling, and isn't even alive yet.

You're right in that it does have the potential to be a human, so do two independent gametes about to meet, yet contraception or withdrawl isn't considered abortion, although the two had the potential to become a human.


And withdrawal is doing it even earlier. By your logic, condoms could be considered premeditated murder.


Why force the mother to live with this burden for the rest of her life? How can she ever learn from this mistake?

Not really, because there's no way he can interfere with a sperm "about to meet an egg". Withdrawing or using protection stop sperm from ever entering or a fetus from ever forming.

Yeah, and by your logic, killing an unborn baby doesn't matter and she should get to abort as many babies as she wants and it's fine and dandy with the hope that "she'll learn"? Apprently Health class and all the information about wearing condoms or having some kind of protection isn't enough, they can't learn from the millions of others? They've got to go and do it first-hand to "learn"? When someone makes a mistake like that, I hardly find it justified to kill the unborn baby because of some irresponsible person(s). Killing a fetus isn't the same as killing a sperm or an egg, alright? Re-read my posts, most of what you say is circumstantial, I've had people on B.net hold up better arguements.

Abortion...Yes...if it is right. Just like the first post said...if the girl gets raped and she gets pregnant than she has the right to abort. But if she has sex willingliy and doesnt want to take the responsibility in caring for what is going to happen next, she shouldnt have done it in the first place.

Your arguement states since a fetus has the potential to become human, interfering with that process is considered killing the baby. Applying your logic a sperm and an egg about to meet also have the potential to become human, but if the male withdraws or uses protection, by your logic, is murder because he has interfered with the potential for the sperm and the egg to become human. Obviously, you've missed the point. Blunderously, you exemplify my point on your second sentence. Thank you.


So do you think withdrawal and contraception is killing a baby even earlier than killing a fetus? I take it you concede that your logic is absurd by this red herring.

Nice job creating a strawman out of my argument too. I would hope she weren't presented with positive reinforcement and be "fine and dandy," but learn from it painfully so that she won't reproduce (no pun intended) the error.

On the other hand why is aborting a fetus wrong in the first place that makes her not able to abort as many babies as she wants? Isn't that what you're trying to prove? You beg the question. I've had more coherent arguments from kids on B.net.


Sadly, that is the case sometimes. Not only with sex, but with excessive drinking, bad back posture, and financial scams. Sometimes education is not enough, but first-hand experience gives hard negative reinforcement so the mistake doesn't occur again.


Killing a fetus isn't the same as killing a human, alright?

ADDITION:
I don't understand this argument. People say abortion is wrong because it's murder, but when she is raped, it's suddenly okay to commit murder. So if she has an injustice done to her, it's okay for her to do an injustice to another "person." Isn't that a bit inconsistant, anybody?

Using a condom, spermicide, or a woman getting her tubes tied is not murder because the sperm never join the egg. If a woman has a miscarriage, it's not her or the child's fault. If a woman aborts, the child never gets a chace in life. Everyone deserves at least a chance. Beside's, there's always adoption.

Allow me to make what drunkenwrestler is trying to say more simple,

A fetus is not alive yet, its just a pile of flesh and bones,

the fetus is the sperm itself, if the sperm never reaches the egg it dies,
and that happens no matter what. killing a sperm is the same as killing a fetus, one day the sperm might become a great man, one day a fetus might become a great man, but thats also like saying one day a lump of coal will turn into diamond, sure its dumb to throw a piece of diamond away, but is it dumb to throw a lump of coal away?

No logic there... A normal guy kills millions of spermatozoids just with sex, how do you espect that NOT to be murder, following your "this lil thing could have gave a great man" logic??