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Report, edit, etc...Posted by D_Scypher on 2005-03-20 at 03:40:04
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Yay! We got one person without a comeback!

Yay! We got one person who can't spot facetious satire... :\

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And yet you turn away from him. You condemn him as being an evil God. He has every right to kill you. Maybe that's why God doesn't talk to anybody or show himself. Maybe he has given up on all mankind and moved onto new versions of humans.

We aren't given free-will so we can spend our lives worshipping God... If all he wanted us to do was be his yes-men, he could do that. Instead he lets us, as independent beings, decide what we want for ourselves.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lisk on 2005-03-20 at 14:41:53
Nah, I was serious, kinda wink.gif
Go figure it sux in the clouds: no oxygen, no shadows...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-03-20 at 15:38:37
QUOTE(Mr.Kirbycode774 @ Mar 20 2005, 06:59 AM)
That's pretty funny, because this Bible I have when I went to the passage states this:

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Isaiah was one with metaphors, wasn't he?  I mean, Isaiah 53 is more than enough proof for that...  'Tis true, dear Will, that Isaiah did mean the king of Babylon.  But yet, it is quite odd that it would seem to fit so perfectly into the role of Satan.
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I think that's what people call 'reading into something too far.'

I really can't take metaphors with that level of obscurity very seriously.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2005-03-20 at 16:01:31
Humans were created in the image of God? Sure makes you perfect huh, or atleast better then those monkeys whose DNA is 90% identical to yours. You were made in the iamge of God, so you're obviously better then anything else in the Universe. Such self-worshipping. God has the right to kill us, eh? Because of something he could stop at any point? If God can create, he can obviously uncreate. Why not rid man of that negative influence altogether instead of wasting time trying to get everyone to obey him? You see, you say God gives us free will, but you condemn us for using that free will. Maybe God won't kill me though, he has things to do, right? I'm such a bad sinner, not believing in something that's entirely unprovable, so why not kill me? Yeah, it'll be Gods will, and why just me, how about all the Atheists? God will love you so much! There's a pretty good explaination of how most genocides get started.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-03-20 at 16:19:49
We're also 40% identical to a banana. (Random but interesting fact.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-03-20 at 22:31:15
And 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-03-21 at 00:04:39
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We're also 40% identical to a banana. (Random but interesting fact.)
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Actually, american born chinese people are referred to as bananas. They're yellow on the outside (asian) but white on the inside (american).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by D_Scypher on 2005-03-21 at 01:48:10
*cries* I'll never eat a banana again.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-03-21 at 14:43:43
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And 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot!
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Yeah, I lied.

We're actually 50% identical to a banana - I learned that in Bio today.

Seems like the genes which code for cell membranes, mitochondria, collagen, certain proteins and many many other things are common to every species.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-03-22 at 02:49:45
QUOTE(Theoretical Human @ Mar 20 2005, 01:01 PM)
Humans were created in the image of God? Sure makes you perfect huh, or atleast better then those monkeys whose DNA is 90% identical to yours. You were made in the iamge of God, so you're obviously better then anything else in the Universe. Such self-worshipping.

Well, if you want to look at it that way, knock yourself out. Just because what you state about us being better than anything else is true, does that mean I have to gloat about it??
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God has the right to kill us, eh?
Whered this come from? Anyways..
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Because of something he could stop at any point? If God can create, he can obviously uncreate. Why not rid man of that negative influence altogether instead of wasting time trying to get everyone to obey him?
An affirmative presupposes a negative; likewise, a negative presupposes a affirmative. God cannot irradicate evil because 1) Evil is not an actual entity on it's own, it is like light and darkness. Darkness is merely the absence of light. 2) If God were to irradicate all evil he would have to kill us too since we are sinners, but he cannot because he is all-loving.
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You see, you say God gives us free will, but you condemn us for using that free will.
No, we condemn you for doing wrong. We don't condemn you for doing right. God gave free will such that choice exists. Choice exists because it would be unfair if we could not choose between good and evil, in God's perspective anyways...
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Maybe God won't kill me though, he has things to do, right? I'm such a bad sinner, not believing in something that's entirely unprovable, so why not kill me?
When you're dead you'll be judged whether you are condemned eternally or not because of your sins. And what you mean "not entirely unprovable?" Evolution is a bunch of hypothesis stated as facts without direct observation or adequate forsenic evidence!!!
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Yeah, it'll be Gods will, and why just me, how about all the Atheists? God will love you so much! There's a pretty good explaination of how most genocides get started.
Oh yes, God will love us so much for killing his own creation which he created in his own image. And I guess he also loves killing innocent kittens everytime a person creates a waterfall on Starcraft. The Pharisees tried this tactic on Jesus when he drove out demons, claiming that Jesus was the king of demons because he could drive them out. Jesus responded that "a divided house cannot stand". In other words, if Jesus was Satan, why would he start slaughtering his own men! It's completely absurd! Likewise, saying that God "loves" having his creation, whom own image he has imprinted upon them, killed and slaughtered, is equally crazy.

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QUOTE(CaptainWill @ Mar 20 2005, 12:38 PM)
I think that's what people call 'reading into something too far.'

I really can't take metaphors with that level of obscurity very seriously.
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I understand you Will. Isaiah did speak much on the basis of prophecy, but I understand that this specific instance it sounds too much like shoehorning the Bible to claim it's "second meaning" is true.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lisk on 2005-03-22 at 08:48:14
I've yet to see somebody being killed by god, sent to hell or whatever. dry.gif whistling.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by D_Scypher on 2005-03-22 at 19:22:57
What are you expecting, a giant hand coming down from the sky and picking people off?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-03-24 at 19:08:51
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What are you expecting, a giant hand coming down from the sky and picking people off?
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Sure... why not???? laugh.gif Wouldn't it flick them off the earth instead???
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-03-25 at 11:11:21
Fine. Let's see some evolution too. I'd like to see evolution happening. Put an organism where it's nearly impossible to survive, and see iti evolve.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lisk on 2005-03-25 at 11:54:04
people are different in the world. bigger, smaller, different shape, immunities.
whoever survies -> evolution happy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-03-25 at 12:47:39
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people are different in the world. bigger, smaller, different shape, immunities.
whoever survies -> evolution  happy.gif
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Aren't adaptation and evolution different things? confused.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-03-26 at 01:07:07
You evolve to adapt to your environment.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by pimpinelephant on 2005-03-26 at 01:36:59
things do not adapt or evolve!!! lets say you have a normal house dog, you put it in a cage and never feed it, if evolution was true than the dog would be able to adapt and create its own food with some special organ or something by evolving, but that would never happen, it would just die from starvation. get it?

everyone has their own beliefs. Christianity is a belief as are so many other religions. so please do not say that a particular religion is wrong.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-03-26 at 16:18:50
People's Eyebrows are getting bigger and bigger. That's evolution kinda. This is to keep like dust out of the eyes.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-03-26 at 17:44:15
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things do not adapt or evolve!!! lets say you have a normal house dog, you put it in a cage and never feed it, if evolution was true than the dog would be able to adapt and create its own food with some special organ or something by evolving, but that would never happen, it would just die from starvation. get it?

everyone has their own beliefs. Christianity is a belief as are so many other religions. so please do not say that a particular religion is wrong.

I may think that Evolution is wrong, but that argument about evolution is wrong. Like I said, I think adaptation and evolution is wrong. Their process of evolution wouldn't work in that case. Their case goes like this:

Given) There are micromutations that occur in species.
Given) Soon, in a specific area there will not be enough food for everyone, and competition will ensue.
1) These micromutations may cause species to be better at chances for survival or worse at chances for survival.
2) Those with worse chances will soon die off and those better at chances will survive.
3) Those that survived will breed and produce more offspring with suitable chances of survival.
Inference) Over long periods time, these micromutations will change one species into another, thus creating the whole ecosystem because different climates demand different qualities for survival which makes different "best surviving" species.
Inference#2) There are species at the top with equal chances of survival in a specific area, so therefore neither of them will be irradicated.

That's why the "cage" theory doesn't work.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2005-03-26 at 17:53:14
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things do not adapt or evolve!!! lets say you have a normal house dog, you put it in a cage and never feed it, if evolution was true than the dog would be able to adapt and create its own food with some special organ or something by evolving, but that would never happen, it would just die from starvation. get it?

That is not how adaptation or evolution works, it's like saying a car with no gas will run.
Lets say you have two dogs, one with black fur, and one with white fur, they start making babies with a lot of variety, then they are forced to live in a black maze with a hungry family of (W/e eats dogs) in it too. The dogs with white fur will die out because they contrast to thier habitat and they get eaten easily, so thus, the dogs "adapted" to thier habitat because they can now only mate with other black dogs, making the black fur trait much more common.
(A simplified verson of Kirby's explanation.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by pimpinelephant on 2005-03-27 at 06:14:41
but that doesn't talk about adaptation or evolution, you just told me that dogs have different fur colors. animals do not give birth to offspring that have better chance of survival, for example if you brang a normal dog into the snowy plains of alaska, and it gave birth, it would be exactly the same as any other dog's offspring. think of this, if a man got his arm amputated, would his son be born with only one arm? no, he would be born with 2 arms.
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