Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-06-16 at 10:25:59
Plus, I find it hard to believe that everything came from nothing like gravity, energy, light, rights and wrong, elements... etc.
Anything that had a beginning had to have a cause. God had no beginning, he had no cause. The Big Bang had a beginning (THe bang, lol) and it has to have a cause...
If you don't like The Case for... books, I know dozens more, but you'll prolly reject them as being bad too for some strange reason...
Anything that had a beginning had to have a cause. God had no beginning, he had no cause. The Big Bang had a beginning (THe bang, lol) and it has to have a cause...
If you don't like The Case for... books, I know dozens more, but you'll prolly reject them as being bad too for some strange reason...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-16 at 11:00:38
QUOTE(Neiji @ Jun 16 2005, 07:25 AM)
Plus, I find it hard to believe that everything came from nothing like gravity, energy, light, rights and wrong, elements... etc.
Anything that had a beginning had to have a cause. God had no beginning, he had no cause. The Big Bang had a beginning (THe bang, lol) and it has to have a cause...
If you don't like The Case for... books, I know dozens more, but you'll prolly reject them as being bad too for some strange reason...
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Anything that had a beginning had to have a cause. God had no beginning, he had no cause. The Big Bang had a beginning (THe bang, lol) and it has to have a cause...
If you don't like The Case for... books, I know dozens more, but you'll prolly reject them as being bad too for some strange reason...
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You have a hard time believing it cause you cannot comprehend it. People have a hard time believing what they cannot comprehend. Now don't go and say we don't believe in god because we cannot comprehend him. That is not why we don't believe in god, we have our reasons.
Elements are are two atoms or more of the same properties. They didn't just come from "Nothing". They bonded together to form an element.
Energy has always been there. Anything that moves (matter) has energy. Without energy, nothing would be alive at this moment. The energy "coagulated" with the matter and all that nifty stuff to make the stars and planets. Gravity is formed from the magnetic waves put of by the stars. Our Earth has gravity because we rotate around a sun (a large nova star) and we have an orbit that is producing magnetic waves known as gravity. Light has never just always been there. It gets created from stars which were created by energy and mass "coagulating" and forming shit.
If you actually listened during science class or astronamy (if you even had a science class or had anything to deal with astronamy) it would explain this in the fullest detail.
And no one is going to read your books, because they were written by man. I will not believe anything about "God" that was written by man, because it all deals with faith, not facts.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-06-16 at 11:00:53
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Plus, I find it hard to believe that everything came from nothing like gravity, energy, light, rights and wrong, elements... etc.
Anything that had a beginning had to have a cause. God had no beginning, he had no cause. The Big Bang had a beginning (THe bang, lol) and it has to have a cause...
Anything that had a beginning had to have a cause. God had no beginning, he had no cause. The Big Bang had a beginning (THe bang, lol) and it has to have a cause...
I love how people think this is a strong reason to beleive in god.
http://www.theness.com/podcasts/logicalfallacies.html Read number 5,7,17
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-16 at 11:11:31
Ah, great one Cheeze. 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-16 at 13:38:05
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jun 16 2005, 10:00 AM)
You have a hard time believing it cause you cannot comprehend it. People have a hard time believing what they cannot comprehend. Now don't go and say we don't believe in god because we cannot comprehend him. That is not why we don't believe in god, we have our reasons.
Elements are are two atoms or more of the same properties. They didn't just come from "Nothing". They bonded together to form an element.
Energy has always been there. Anything that moves (matter) has energy. Without energy, nothing would be alive at this moment. The energy "coagulated" with the matter and all that nifty stuff to make the stars and planets. Gravity is formed from the magnetic waves put of by the stars. Our Earth has gravity because we rotate around a sun (a large nova star) and we have an orbit that is producing magnetic waves known as gravity. Light has never just always been there. It gets created from stars which were created by energy and mass "coagulating" and forming shit.
If you actually listened during science class or astronamy (if you even had a science class or had anything to deal with astronamy) it would explain this in the fullest detail.
And no one is going to read your books, because they were written by man. I will not believe anything about "God" that was written by man, because it all deals with faith, not facts.
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Elements are are two atoms or more of the same properties. They didn't just come from "Nothing". They bonded together to form an element.
Energy has always been there. Anything that moves (matter) has energy. Without energy, nothing would be alive at this moment. The energy "coagulated" with the matter and all that nifty stuff to make the stars and planets. Gravity is formed from the magnetic waves put of by the stars. Our Earth has gravity because we rotate around a sun (a large nova star) and we have an orbit that is producing magnetic waves known as gravity. Light has never just always been there. It gets created from stars which were created by energy and mass "coagulating" and forming shit.
If you actually listened during science class or astronamy (if you even had a science class or had anything to deal with astronamy) it would explain this in the fullest detail.
And no one is going to read your books, because they were written by man. I will not believe anything about "God" that was written by man, because it all deals with faith, not facts.
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slapped.Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-06-16 at 16:47:04
Come on, at least I'm trying. Let's see some proof that God doesn't exist, instead of saying it's just not possible or if i HAVE a good question, you guys say "That's so stupid, I won't even answer that crap..."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-06-16 at 17:33:43
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Jun 16 2005, 08:00 AM)
I love how people think this is a strong reason to beleive in god.
http://www.theness.com/podcasts/logicalfallacies.html Read number 5,7,17
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Nah, just intellegent design. Of course, if this was someone's ONLY point, then we have a problem houston.
Ah yes #5; I like that one actually. But one thing I have been noticing Cheeze, is it that it appears you give the same response to "I have disproved by logic that an infinite universe cannot exist" and "You can't think of proof for infinity; therefore, it does not exist". Or, maybe it's just you never noticed this because I'm horrible at wording my sentences.
Hahah #7; that's so ironic. What about Punctual Equilibrium? That's a "false science of the gaps" for ya. This evolutionist at the beginning of some book agrees with a creationist view and how everything appears "fully formed and separated", and spends the rest of the book trying to prove this!
#17: huh? How's he making a special case?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-06-16 at 18:06:27
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But one thing I have been noticing Cheeze, is it that it appears you give the same response to "I have disproved by logic that an infinite universe cannot exist" and "You can't think of proof for infinity; therefore, it does not exist".
I do know that you agreed with what I said and I still await your formal response.
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#17: huh? How's he making a special case?
Mm..? He introduces many new aspects in. Ad hoc fallacy is basically an explanation rather than an arguement. Example:
God is X, therefore Y.
X is the aspect. But this is merely an explanation for something. I can say the same for my computer.
Example:
My moniter emits light; therefore, there are lightbulbs within it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-06-18 at 01:10:56
Don't you mean that the faries in your computer are making it bright? 
If I stated , "Infinity is impossible because at the moment we don't know anything about it at the moment", then of course that would be faulty argument and that I shouldn't jump to conclusions.
BUT, if I state in a logical manner,
"1. An infinite number of days has no end.
2. But today is the end day of history (history being a collect of all days).
3. Therefore, there were not an infinite number of days before today (i.e., time had a beginning)."
Don't tell me you'll still give me the same answer; that would be denying the logic placed in front of you. In this case, claiming the future for logic would be the same as using God as the almighty "gap-filler". Right now you probably could either A) Ignore it (doubt you'd do that), B) Evade it and ask for my formal response, or C) Disprove it.
Also, I believe your question you're asking is: "How can you be a Christian but still believe in knowledge?". Did I forget yet again? Please show my err if I messed up in the phrasing.
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I do know that you agreed with what I said and I still await your formal response.
Yes I could also agree if you said that 2+2=4, but that still doesn't have to do with the statement I just posed at you.If I stated , "Infinity is impossible because at the moment we don't know anything about it at the moment", then of course that would be faulty argument and that I shouldn't jump to conclusions.
BUT, if I state in a logical manner,
"1. An infinite number of days has no end.
2. But today is the end day of history (history being a collect of all days).
3. Therefore, there were not an infinite number of days before today (i.e., time had a beginning)."
Don't tell me you'll still give me the same answer; that would be denying the logic placed in front of you. In this case, claiming the future for logic would be the same as using God as the almighty "gap-filler". Right now you probably could either A) Ignore it (doubt you'd do that), B) Evade it and ask for my formal response, or C) Disprove it.
Also, I believe your question you're asking is: "How can you be a Christian but still believe in knowledge?". Did I forget yet again?
Please show my err if I messed up in the phrasing.Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-06-18 at 01:22:39
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Don't you mean that the faries in your computer are making it bright?
I said light bulbs.
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Yes I could also agree if you said that 2+2=4, but that still doesn't have to do with the statement I just posed at you.
Yeah, but what you agreed with was quite relevant to what our discussion was. Did you forget so soon?
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BUT, if I state in a logical manner,
"1. An infinite number of days has no end.
2. But today is the end day of history (history being a collect of all days).
3. Therefore, there were not an infinite number of days before today (i.e., time had a beginning)."
"1. An infinite number of days has no end.
2. But today is the end day of history (history being a collect of all days).
3. Therefore, there were not an infinite number of days before today (i.e., time had a beginning)."
Time had a beginning. Sure, the formation of the universe. The dimensions.
Now, perhaps you can tell me how "God" comes into this? Remeber this quote when replying and what I already discussed with you:
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Because we do not currently have an adequate explanation for a phenomenon does not mean that it is forever unexplainable, or that it therefore defies the laws of nature or requires a paranormal explanation. An example of this is the “God of the Gaps” strategy of creationists – that whatever we cannot currently explain is unexplainable and was therefore an act of god.
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Also, I believe your question you're asking is: "How can you be a Christian but still believe in knowledge?". Did I forget yet again? pinch.gif Please show my err if I messed up in the phrasing.
My question was, "how can you believe in god, when you would rather explore the natural as opposed to the super natural?".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2005-06-18 at 05:51:56
Your a moron, god exists. because some old book called bible said god created the universe. ( owned )
( Plus I really dont care about you guys cause i havent even seen your face )
( OR your veins )
( OR your fat momma )
You don't go tell people " God don't exist! ", " Iam a prep dude who sucks skater's !, a prostitude, a crazy f'ing prostitude! O - M - GZ!! With Anal SEX! "
" GOD WILL BEAT ME UP~!, OMGZ!~!! ", " IAM GOIN TO HAVE A GAY MARRIAGE! "
( well you know what? I don't care cause i havent seen your face... )
( Plus I really dont care about you guys cause i havent even seen your face )
( OR your veins )
( OR your fat momma )
You don't go tell people " God don't exist! ", " Iam a prep dude who sucks skater's
!, a prostitude, a crazy f'ing prostitude! O - M - GZ!! With Anal SEX! "" GOD WILL BEAT ME UP~!, OMGZ!~!! ", " IAM GOIN TO HAVE A GAY MARRIAGE! "
( well you know what? I don't care cause i havent seen your face... )
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2005-06-18 at 05:59:48
What the foog noodles? What? A BOOK WRITTEN BY PEOPLE is backig up your argument? A faulty, half-ass one at that. Just because you're a "Christian", (not a good one, buddy), doesn't give you the right to flame someone on this forum. I don't believe in god because there's no proof to his existence. if I wrote a book and said "God told me to write this book", and in the book it said "Give Theoretical $15.99 now or you will burn in hell!", would you believe it? If not, how is it any different then The Bible?
ADDITION:
I reported your post, buddy.
ADDITION:
I reported your post, buddy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2005-06-18 at 06:01:52
cause it has no author on the front page. ( boo ya )
its like this ok?
I hit you in the back of the head
you get knocked out
and burn you.
then you would know.
its like this ok?
I hit you in the back of the head
you get knocked out
and burn you.
then you would know.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2005-06-18 at 06:07:21
Who said mine will? But.. wait.. that's astoundingly stupid. "I should give theoretical Money because this book says so!" "Why?" "Because there's not author on it! it was obviously THE WORK OF GOD!". People are stupid.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2005-06-18 at 06:13:28
LOL IAM!
you maybe right
but you maybe wrong and i maybe right.
and when iam right, dont go crying on my ass.
you maybe right
but you maybe wrong and i maybe right.
and when iam right, dont go crying on my ass.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2005-06-18 at 06:15:52
If you're right, well... The day any of the dumb shit you've posted here becomes right is the day I disembowel myself with a katana.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2005-06-18 at 06:17:32
or die naturally.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-06-18 at 12:44:50
Hahaha, ChaoticS is afraid of going to hell. That's the only reason why he believes in god; he thinks eternal salvation is better than learning.
Hey buddy, before you say you're going to "laugh" at me for burning, maybe you should consider: I would rather be burning for eternity than to believe in religion.
Hey buddy, before you say you're going to "laugh" at me for burning, maybe you should consider: I would rather be burning for eternity than to believe in religion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2005-06-18 at 12:47:09
Yeah. Hell has better company, anyways. Nietzsche, Stalin, Al Capone, a few popes, pretty much all the Greeks and Romans, etc.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-06-18 at 13:42:11
QUOTE(Theoretical_Human @ Jun 18 2005, 04:59 AM)
... I don't believe in god because there's no proof to his existence...
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The Bible is the only source to know whether God is true or not. But if you do not think the Bible is good enough (which is really what you're saying), then that's that. But there's a difference between these two expressions: "That's not proof (or w/e)" and "That's not good enough to convince me."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-06-18 at 13:47:36
Of coures there's a difference.
Proof means that the evidence is so overwhelming that the assertion must be true.
However, the bible is not even remotely close to this so I don't understand how you could even use it as "proof".
Proof means that the evidence is so overwhelming that the assertion must be true.
However, the bible is not even remotely close to this so I don't understand how you could even use it as "proof".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-18 at 13:48:02
QUOTE(ChaoticS @ Jun 18 2005, 04:51 AM)
Your a moron, god exists. because some old book called bible said god created the universe. ( owned )
( Plus I really dont care about you guys cause i havent even seen your face )
( OR your veins )
( OR your fat momma )
You don't go tell people " God don't exist! ", " Iam a prep dude who sucks skater's !, a prostitude, a crazy f'ing prostitude! O - M - GZ!! With Anal SEX! "
" GOD WILL BEAT ME UP~!, OMGZ!~!! ", " IAM GOIN TO HAVE A GAY MARRIAGE! "
( well you know what? I don't care cause i havent seen your face... )
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( Plus I really dont care about you guys cause i havent even seen your face )
( OR your veins )
( OR your fat momma )
You don't go tell people " God don't exist! ", " Iam a prep dude who sucks skater's
!, a prostitude, a crazy f'ing prostitude! O - M - GZ!! With Anal SEX! "" GOD WILL BEAT ME UP~!, OMGZ!~!! ", " IAM GOIN TO HAVE A GAY MARRIAGE! "
( well you know what? I don't care cause i havent seen your face... )
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lol, your acting like the kind of religious person I think even religious people will say, stfu. Arrogance on your religion, pure arrogance on it. You're ideology is no diferent than any other ideology. Double standards don't do good in my book.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lisk on 2005-06-18 at 16:34:55
God if fictional.
"God is used as a point of transition from the goverment to the faith believers."
How true ^_^!
You people don't believe in god, you go to churches -_-
"God is used as a point of transition from the goverment to the faith believers."
How true ^_^!
You people don't believe in god, you go to churches -_-
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-18 at 16:43:13
QUOTE(ChaoticS @ Jun 18 2005, 02:51 AM)
Your a moron, god exists. because some old book called bible said god created the universe. ( owned )
( Plus I really dont care about you guys cause i havent even seen your face )
( OR your veins )
( OR your fat momma )
You don't go tell people " God don't exist! ", " Iam a prep dude who sucks skater's !, a prostitude, a crazy f'ing prostitude! O - M - GZ!! With Anal SEX! "
" GOD WILL BEAT ME UP~!, OMGZ!~!! ", " IAM GOIN TO HAVE A GAY MARRIAGE! "
( well you know what? I don't care cause i havent seen your face... )
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( Plus I really dont care about you guys cause i havent even seen your face )
( OR your veins )
( OR your fat momma )
You don't go tell people " God don't exist! ", " Iam a prep dude who sucks skater's
!, a prostitude, a crazy f'ing prostitude! O - M - GZ!! With Anal SEX! "" GOD WILL BEAT ME UP~!, OMGZ!~!! ", " IAM GOIN TO HAVE A GAY MARRIAGE! "
( well you know what? I don't care cause i havent seen your face... )
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QUOTE(ChaoticS @ Jun 18 2005, 03:01 AM)
cause it has no author on the front page. ( boo ya )
its like this ok?
I hit you in the back of the head
you get knocked out
and burn you.
then you would know.
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its like this ok?
I hit you in the back of the head
you get knocked out
and burn you.
then you would know.
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QUOTE(ChaoticS @ Jun 18 2005, 03:13 AM)
LOL IAM!
you maybe right
but you maybe wrong and i maybe right.
and when iam right, dont go crying on my ass.
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you maybe right
but you maybe wrong and i maybe right.
and when iam right, dont go crying on my ass.
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QUOTE(ChaoticS @ Jun 18 2005, 03:17 AM)
or die naturally.
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Man, you are one ignorant mofo.
QUOTE(ChaoticS)
Your a moron, god exists. because some old book called bible said god created the universe. ( owned )
Dude, "The Holy Bible" is a makup of more than one book you jackass. And it was all "recorded" by man, therefor, there HAS to be errors, because man, is not "perfect"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2005-06-18 at 16:50:50
i know this serious discussion but i don't see the point in talking about this? Is the point to get someone off of being a christian? Or to get someone on it? There oppions? because i don't see the point in getting an oppinion on somthing so serious. It is a religion there is really no need to debate over it. but i guess people are just curious. its all good.