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Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-06-15 at 15:37:26
QUOTE(gorotsuki @ Jun 15 2005, 11:39 AM)
hey hynk........Why there is a war? Simple, so god can have fun. Why else did he make us speak different languages(the tower of babble....moron), and create different religions(freedom of choice), and tell kings that his enemy slept with his sister(i don't recall that one....i don't think god would say that). You know god's slogan is:

"Stand up for what you believe, and kill all those who disagree."( and hynks a dumb ass)

anyway....OH, i almost forgot about your little topic change devilesk....acid rain.....hmmmmmm........i go with ..........your a jack ass. yeh thats about right. acid rain was explained in science class in high school. if you ever went. water evaporates......mixed with the hydrocloriens in the clouds, makes HLC....then falls to the earth......acid rain......it is no longer water. it is hydrocloric acid. it can be changed back into water. but that costs WAY TO MUCH  censored.gif ING MONEY.

ANYWAY!!!!!!!
TOPIC=WAR

war is a necessity, it controls population. gives money to other countrys....and so on. its the way it is. it will always be that way
(P.S) don't try to twist my words devilesk, its not good for your health or the foram smile.gif
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Yay! Welcome to SEN Gorotsuki, we both hate hynk and devilesk! you better notice quick devilisk goes off topic when he's wrong because he can't say anything to support his argument
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-15 at 17:47:49
There was no argument, you are an idiot. And what was I going off topic just now about?
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lets see......do you know what HCL is? and yes you were in this discussion or i wouldn't have menchoned your name.......weight, that cant be right IT MAKE S SENCE!!!! that cant possibly happen.....can it? and have you EVER stayed on subject? or is it the cool thing to do to go into a topic about war and talk about acid rain...cus if its the new FAD then someone plz tell me so i can be hip like devilesk.


Exactly thats why you read the replies and not just post an argument against something. I was in the discussion, but I wasn't arguing against anything so why are you attacking me? I asked a question and wanted to be corrected, but you are just being a jackass.

I don't even know why you even brought up that water side discussion in the first place, it was 10 replies ago before you posted. It was dead and you had to bring it back up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-06-15 at 20:53:18
gorotsuki just likes to provoke people, as seen in most of the serious discussion posts. War is a nessecity, without it, we'd probably be all dead now. The 3rd world/ developing countries are killing us.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-16 at 01:29:07
QUOTE(gorotsuki @ Jun 15 2005, 11:39 AM)
hey hynk........Why there is a war? Simple, so god can have fun. Why else did he make us speak different languages(the tower of babble....moron), and create different religions(freedom of choice), and tell kings that his enemy slept with his sister(i don't recall that one....i don't think god would say that). You know god's slogan is:

"Stand up for what you believe, and kill all those who disagree."( and hynks a dumb ass)

anyway....OH, i almost forgot about your little topic change devilesk....acid rain.....hmmmmmm........i go with ..........your a jack ass. yeh thats about right. acid rain was explained in science class in high school. if you ever went. water evaporates......mixed with the hydrocloriens in the clouds, makes HLC....then falls to the earth......acid rain......it is no longer water. it is hydrocloric acid. it can be changed back into water. but that costs WAY TO MUCH  censored.gif ING MONEY.

ANYWAY!!!!!!!
TOPIC=WAR

war is a necessity, it controls population. gives money to other countrys....and so on. its the way it is. it will always be that way
(P.S) don't try to twist my words devilesk, its not good for your health or the foram smile.gif
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lol, I guess I mind as well defend myself. Well, you see....God don't really give a shit about us. He just don't really care now a days. Once he did, now he don't. He can EASILY fix the entire world, and make it so we still have free will. (He's a super being, I'm MORE than positive he can think of a way)

Anyways, the reason why god made us speak different languages, is because of the tower of babble as you already know. Now, why exactly did god do that? Well, it was because we made a tower to try to get into heaven, and in order from stopping us from doing that, God then destroyed the tower.

Oh wait, he didn't do that, I forgot. This is the bible, many things are not suppose to make sense. Instead he made everyone speak differently so they couldn't finish the tower. For an all powerful being, he's clearly the master of tactics.

Now, here is a thing that gets me the most. Years later, when we can build towers easily twice the size larger than babble, God for some reason just doesn't give a shit now. Early he destroyed a tower trying to reach into heaven, and here we are with towers MUCH larger than babble, and god isn't making us magically speak different languages. Now is he?

Hell, we even been in the skies with planes, infact, we've been farther than that. We've been beyond the skies, we've been in space. We've even been to the MOON. (Even if you assume we didn't, I still prove the point with the space) I don't see god caring about us now. Maybe he relocated heaven to a different planet, or maybe he just doesn't care now. Infact, it could just be a mix of both of those reasons.

My last thing was clearly satire, but you seem to have taken it seriously. Just showing all of us you're a plain simple dumbass. Or just someone out to, like devilin said, provoke people. And it appears that you've provoked me.

BTW, I still havn't covered the freedom of choice part, (Or even the entire babble part either) you care to continue? (Let's settle this through PMs plz)

If you don't want to continue, take it like a man, and apologize. Takes more guts to say that you're wrong, than it does to say that you're right. I want to get this over with because grudges are for dumbasses. Don't build up your rage at all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-16 at 10:43:50
QUOTE(DevliN_ @ Jun 15 2005, 06:53 PM)
gorotsuki just likes to provoke people, as seen in most of the serious discussion posts. War is a nessecity, without it, we'd probably be all dead now. The 3rd world/ developing countries are killing us.
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QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jun 15 2005, 11:29 PM)
lol, I guess I mind as well defend myself. Well, you see....God don't really give a shit about us. He just don't really care now a days. Once he did, now he don't. He can EASILY fix the entire world, and make it so we still have free will. (He's a super being, I'm MORE than positive he can think of a way)

Anyways, the reason why god made us speak different languages, is because of the tower of babble as you already know. Now, why exactly did god do that? Well, it was because we made a tower to try to get into heaven, and in order from stopping us from doing that, God then destroyed the tower.

Oh wait, he didn't do that, I forgot. This is the bible, many things are not suppose to make sense. Instead he made everyone speak differently so they couldn't finish the tower. For an all powerful being, he's clearly the master of tactics.

Now, here is a thing that gets me the most. Years later, when we can build towers easily twice the size larger than babble, God for some reason just doesn't give a shit now. Early he destroyed a tower trying to reach into heaven, and here we are with towers MUCH larger than babble, and god isn't making us magically speak different languages. Now is he?

Hell, we even been in the skies with planes, infact, we've been farther than that. We've been beyond the skies, we've been in space. We've even been to the MOON. (Even if you assume we didn't, I still prove the point with the space) I don't see god caring about us now. Maybe he relocated heaven to a different planet, or maybe he just doesn't care now. Infact, it could just be a mix of both of those reasons.

My last thing was clearly satire, but you seem to have taken it seriously. Just showing all of us you're a plain simple dumbass. Or just someone out to, like devilin said, provoke people. And it appears that you've provoked me.

BTW,  I still havn't covered the freedom of choice part, (Or even the entire babble part either) you care to continue? (Let's settle this through PMs plz)

If you don't want to continue, take it like a man, and apologize. Takes more guts to say that you're wrong, than it does to say that you're right. I want to get this over with because grudges are for dumbasses. Don't build up your rage at all.
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your right....it dose take a lot more to admit your wrong, so why don't you do it? when i brought up the acid rain thing, it was cus you went WAY off subject. when i posted you were still going off on it devilesk. they was the only reason that i even said anything. you got all but hurt that i was right and tried to get back on topic. then you went on a space cruse and went completely off subject. that was it. and you ,alpha(mc), need to read your book. the tower of babble was built to reach god......i've never heard that the twin towers were built to reach god. thats news to me. lets think, god CAN fix the world with the snap of his finger.....but really...who wants to live on a perfect world? i don't, and you don't either." you don't know me" your right i don't, but i DO know that the general populous would not like to live on a perfect world...you can say you want to all you want, but deep inside, you don't. and we're not finishing this in pm's. thats a censored.gif way out and you know it.

oh, why did you even get into this conversation.....i never even mentioned your name....unless you have 2 log names...and thats dumb....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-16 at 11:23:28
No offence Alpha(MC) but why did you start to dog on him? Like he clearely states, he didn't attack you. Enless, you mean he attacked your friend. But if that is the case, your friend needs to defend themselves, and not have you come and do it for them.

The whole SEN forum is full of to many ignorant people..... Including myself (On some topics)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-16 at 13:08:47
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jun 16 2005, 10:23 AM)
No offence Alpha(MC) but why did you start to dog on him?  Like he clearely states, he didn't attack you.  Enless, you mean he attacked your friend.  But if that is the case, your friend needs to defend themselves, and not have you come and do it for them.

The whole SEN forum is full of to many ignorant people.....  Including myself (On some topics)
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Ya, you do have a point. I'm sorry for adding more fuel to the fire. However, I still stand on the tower of babble thing. But if you want to debate about that, then pm me, or make another thread. This thread is off topic as it is right now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-06-16 at 13:23:10
Lets get back on the topic of the war here....

I haven't heard much about Saddam Hussein lately, where's he at? (if he's already been killed then I didn't know, I don't watch much news)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-16 at 13:33:14
I don't think we're gonna ever hear too much from him, the news is too be busy dealing with real issues, like a white woman who gets kidnapped.

Amercan news is mostly entertainment, that simple.

BTW - What does "Catapult the Propaganda" mean?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-16 at 14:14:23
see? someone can admit they were wrong, i can as well. umm.... Saddam......i don't know. i have noticed that all the kidnappings were young white girls. odd....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-06-16 at 14:40:44
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jun 16 2005, 12:33 PM)
like a white woman who gets kidnapped.
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Lol!!!!!!!!!!!! laugh.gif

God damnit, I thought that Kobe was done raping twenty year old caucasian virgins... but I guess not... disgust.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-16 at 14:54:05
LOL!!!! well...that kinda killed this topic....i dont think anyone else can think of anything to say......can u???

ADDITION:
noone cares kellimus.......so shut up
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-16 at 14:58:23
The tower of babbel thing eh? I just wanna say this much about it.

The people who built the tower, built it to reach heaven.

"Towers" as you put it today (skyscrapers I guess?) are build because we need the space. We aren't building a tower to reach the heavens....

Or maybe.....................................................................

Nah, we aren't wink.gif

QUOTE(Alpha(MC))
Now, here is a thing that gets me the most. Years later, when we can build towers easily twice the size larger than babble, God for some reason just doesn't give a shit now. Early he destroyed a tower trying to reach into heaven, and here we are with towers MUCH larger than babble, and god isn't making us magically speak different languages. Now is he?

Hell, we even been in the skies with planes, infact, we've been farther than that. We've been beyond the skies, we've been in space. We've even been to the MOON. (Even if you assume we didn't, I still prove the point with the space) I don't see god caring about us now. Maybe he relocated heaven to a different planet, or maybe he just doesn't care now. Infact, it could just be a mix of both of those reasons.


You make some good points there, but this is why he isn't destroying us:

We aren't trying to get to heaven anymore. We are just expanding our knowledge of the universe and trying to learn how things work. F*ck trying to get to heaven, we don't care anymore.

That is why he hasn't destroyed our "Towers".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-16 at 15:03:39
yea and neh to that my friend. yea to the fact that we cant get to heaven via a tower. neh to the f*ck getting to heaven. heaven is a sandy beach a hot naked chick and a beer. that is very heaven and VERY obtainable
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-16 at 15:44:00
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jun 16 2005, 01:58 PM)
The tower of babbel thing eh?  I just wanna say this much about it.

The people who built the tower, built it to reach heaven.

"Towers" as you put it today (skyscrapers I guess?) are build because we need the space.  We aren't building a tower to reach the heavens....

Or maybe.....................................................................

Nah, we aren't  wink.gif

QUOTE(Alpha(MC))
Now, here is a thing that gets me the most. Years later, when we can build towers easily twice the size larger than babble, God for some reason just doesn't give a shit now. Early he destroyed a tower trying to reach into heaven, and here we are with towers MUCH larger than babble, and god isn't making us magically speak different languages. Now is he?

Hell, we even been in the skies with planes, infact, we've been farther than that. We've been beyond the skies, we've been in space. We've even been to the MOON. (Even if you assume we didn't, I still prove the point with the space) I don't see god caring about us now. Maybe he relocated heaven to a different planet, or maybe he just doesn't care now. Infact, it could just be a mix of both of those reasons.


You make some good points there, but this is why he isn't destroying us:

We aren't trying to get to heaven anymore. We are just expanding our knowledge of the universe and trying to learn how things work. F*ck trying to get to heaven, we don't care anymore.

That is why he hasn't destroyed our "Towers".
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1st of all, we DO care about trying to get into heaven. Why the hell do people still go to church?

Also, we are still trying to do the tower of babble thing. However, we're not doing it with buildings no more, we're doing it with space exploration. And we've already BEEN way farther than babble could've EVER been. WAY farther.

As for the heaven being the sandy beach, I'm already there. I currently have 2 hot hoes on my lap, and it's kinda hard to type on my laptop computer right now.
.......Can't a man just dream? sad.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FallenDreamer on 2005-06-17 at 23:45:58
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jun 16 2005, 01:44 PM)
As for the heaven being the sandy beach, I'm already there. I currently have 2 hot hoes on my lap, and it's kinda hard to type on my laptop computer right now.
.......Can't a man just dream? sad.gif
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*FallenDreamer gives Alpha(MC) a reassuring pat on the back.

Its ok man. You'll get your dream someday...

On Topic(Slightly)

Here's a game that perfectly portrays why humans have fought wars... "Knights of Honor." If you haven't already played it, you should best get the demo now... Anyway, the point is, in this game, wars are the best way to flourish. You gain more provinces through conquering them, you gain more gold through plundering, you're Generals(Marshalls) gain more experience and thus, become more powerful, you can gain vassals, and victories in a certain province will raise that province's happiness, lowering the risk of rebellion. Basically, war brings you more then just power...it also brings respect...and brings your foes fear...and those are things that a country in opposition/danger needs...

Anyway, try out the game if you really need a better explanation on what I mean. It'll explain a hell lot better then I ever will...(Did I mention that you get to play on a huge landmass that mimics the real medieval europe in many many ways??)

And as a closing statement, I'd just like to say... Through War and Peace, Starcraft conquers all... and raises waring clans tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-18 at 00:51:51
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jun 16 2005, 12:44 PM)
1st of all, we DO care about trying to get into heaven. Why the hell do people still go to church?

Also, we are still trying to do the tower of babble thing. However, we're not doing it with buildings no more, we're doing it with space exploration. And we've already BEEN way farther than babble could've EVER been. WAY farther.

As for the heaven being the sandy beach, I'm already there. I currently have 2 hot hoes on my lap, and it's kinda hard to type on my laptop computer right now.
.......Can't a man just dream? sad.gif
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Where did you get the idea that the reason we are exploring space, is to try to reach heaven? Last thing I knew, was because we are curious.........
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-18 at 04:29:41
So, let me get your logic here.

God gets mad if we try to cheat our way into heaven. (Like using the tower of babble) And we havn't done that lately.

Wasn't there a thing back in martin luther days, where you could supposedly BUY your way into heaven? Damn, I forgot the name to it. I'm pretty sure you know what it is already though.

Well, lots of people were doing this. I didn't see god come down, and bitch slap all those corrupt preists. Now did I?

I can see somebody say, "well, you see. God knows you can't buy your way into heaven, but he knows you can build a tower and get there."

Yes, that does make sense right there, but you're missing one thing. We've already been in space. If the tower of babble did exist, it would've NEVER been able to reach heaven. So why did God get mad then? Over the point, right? The point that people are trying to get into heaven.

Well, how come god didn't get mad at the people who were buying their way in? I mean, it's the same point. You can't BUY your way in, and you can't BUILD a tower to heaven, we know this. But god punished the people that built the tower though. Even though they were no different the people buying their way in.

Only defence you got left is just, "Well, you see, a lot more people built the tower of babble, than compared to just buying your way into heaven." I got more swords than you got sheilds right now when it comes to this topic.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-21 at 01:35:44
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jun 18 2005, 01:29 AM)
So, let me get your logic here.

God gets mad if we try to cheat our way into heaven. (Like using the tower of babble) And we havn't done that lately.

Wasn't there a thing back in martin luther days, where you could supposedly BUY your way into heaven? Damn, I forgot the name to it. I'm pretty sure you know what it is already though.

Well, lots of people were doing this. I didn't see god come down, and bitch slap all those corrupt preists. Now did I?

I can see somebody say, "well, you see. God knows you can't buy your way into heaven, but he knows you can build a tower and get there."

Yes, that does make sense right there, but you're missing one thing. We've already been in space. If the tower of babble did exist, it would've NEVER been able to reach heaven. So why did God get mad then? Over the point, right? The point that people are trying to get into heaven.

Well, how come god didn't get mad at the people who were buying their way in? I mean, it's the same point. You can't BUY your way in, and you can't BUILD a tower to heaven, we know this. But god punished the people that built the tower though. Even though they were no different the people buying their way in.

Only defence you got left is just, "Well, you see, a lot more people built the tower of babble, than compared to just buying your way into heaven." I got more swords than you got sheilds right now when it comes to this topic.
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Who are you talking to?

Okay, you can't buy your way into heaven, and you can't build a tower into heaven. So think. Maybe the book says that because they didn't have a clue of how we got our different languages, so they made up that lame ass story.........?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-21 at 15:42:39
Exactly my point. Just apply that to almost the rest of the bible, and you'll see how I personally feel about it.

EDIT - That post was directed towards you. Wasn't making fun of you, just the logic you were using at the time. That's all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-24 at 03:57:26
Back on Topic
I believe that World War III is right around the corner, if we don't do something. This "War on Terrorism" is rediculous (It is good that we got Sadam out of power, and it is good that we are giving the Iraqs' freedom) but we need to go back to how we were before WWII, Isolationism (I don't remember the direct term from U.S. Government) where we just focus on ourselves, and no-one else. Cause if we were to do that, we would actually create a surplus, instead of a deficet.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by en_taro_shrimpy on 2005-06-24 at 16:11:56
your right about WWIII but i dont think we should be isolationists because we are a super power and it would hurt us if we went back to isolationism
america is not meant to be an isolated country
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-24 at 16:19:13
QUOTE(en_taro_shrimpy @ Jun 24 2005, 01:11 PM)
your right about WWIII but i dont think we should be isolationists because we are a super power and it would hurt us if we went back to isolationism
america is not meant to be an isolated country
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If you look at history, we did perfectly fine when we were Isolationists. We started butting into other peoples buisness back in the 1800's, when the Panama Canal was being created.

We had a certain doctorine (don't remember it's name) were we stated that no other country shall enter Noth Americas or South America. I like that, but we shoulda left it at that, and not gone all out.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-24 at 20:46:49
You mean the monroe doctrine? Ya, it's still here today. It basically says, "Yo, this is our hemisphere. You guys don't colonize what so ever over here, or we'll have the right to go kick yo monkey ass." That's basically what it says.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by en_taro_shrimpy on 2005-06-24 at 22:56:50
sounds like an interesting document
we also did fine as an imperialistic country
we started doing bad when we got into these wars that the Bushes started
we dont need to get into wars to be an imperialistic country
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