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It's not terrorism unless there in war with us. If we are in war with them, There is a reason to bomb them. If they weren't in war, Then yes.

Yea, that would be self defense, sort of what Isolated was talking about earlier. You can't say that would be terrorism, otherwise we were terrorists in WWII.

We were terrorists during WWII. We bombed a lot of inncocent civilian targets without any military value.

Dude, what the hell are you talking about, one second you say you can beat a professional melee player on a balanced map, the next second you're saying bombing Japan didn't have military value? If we didn't drop the bombs on Japan, we would have lost WWII and who knows what could have happened from then on.

I'm sure they could do a better job than Bush with their own country.
They seem to be doing fine for the last 1,000 years or so (give or take).





Do you go up to mormon's and start giving them computers and stuff because they still live "backwards?"

Foreign aid does not help countries. Foreign aid just makes them dependant. It's like giving some crack whore $1500 a week because she doesn't have a job. Do you think she's going to use that money and become productive?

Foreign aid isn't even used for what you think it is. Many countries don't build up their economies with foreign aid, they build up their armies. Even foreign aid that was scrictly food was used for fueling an army.

Foreign aid does not prevent social collapse.
Name one country that we actually got out of the third world class.

You know what would really help 3rd world countries? If we would drop the trade barriers with them because the goods they actually do produce could be sold. We won't let country X sell us banana's because they are too damn cheap and the government is trying to be protective.


Speaking of democracy... we don't have one.
There is nothing wrong with dictatorship. Any form of government can be a good one if done right with good leaders.


Think of what 240+ billion dollars could have done to build up america's defense/economy, instead of attacking one little country in the middle east. Maybe some security upgrades for the airlines? Maybe fill the void in the budjet where multitudes of defense functions aren't getting the money they need?

Eh, Israel...Now they have just as much as we do(obviously not economy and such). Go to Israel and you will see Mc'Donalds and Starbucks on every corner. They have just as much stuff as us. We helped them get this way from WWII but I'm sure most people know the history...

Many people say that Isreal has the most elite infantry in the world, NOT THE LARGEST, the most elite. They get all their weapons and instruments of warfare from USA and also get a lot of money too.

Yeah like I said Israel was a third world country and now it is most DEFINATELY first world. Other countries, like South Africa, or Indonesia were also made first world by the U.S., so...I don't know wheat IP was talking about but, meh.

Except... Israal isn't a real country. We carved that country. We forced it into the middle east. It's complete bullshit.

We give Isreal an 'Early Warning and Command and Control' system and they go and sell it to our enemies.

We are all like... omgz0rz... terrorist bombed isreal... but then when isreal starts taking over other countries and shit, we are like "oh well."
Trying to find a "peace agreement" is a total farce. We let isreal do whatever the it wants. And then we call palestineans who blow up shit in isreal terrorists? I think not.

Stop supporting Isreal, let it get taken out and a shit load of terrorist motivation is gone.

What's the #1 reason we made Isreal anyways? Religion.
Law suits over the 10 commandments being displayed in court and no one gives a shit about how much money we give to a religious cause.

Wtf... where are the priorities? Stop ing around with the trivial matters and start attacking what matters.

IP you should really stop using that sort of language. It isn't civilized in a debate setting.

I am perfectly aware that I cussed in the first post. That was before this became a debate. Thank you.

After learning about some of the Palestinian Israeli conflict in school I kind of felt like what the Israeli's did to the Palestinians and basically took over the palestinian land was wrong. It didn't seem fair to the Palestinians and they were the majority there, like 80%, and they were there much longer than the Israelis.

Oh, but then we studied some of the UN decisions, and it was a real mess.

Japan. By going there and forcing them to trade with us, they have now become one of the world leaders in technology. Before then they were just simple folk.

Israel essentially carved itself, thank you very much. We just recognized it as a nation. I'd read up on your history concerning that IP. Since then it's true we've supplied them with weapons, but they originally fought for their country by themselves.

We've basically helped many countries by trading with them, so I think I'll just say South America and many of the European nations that were formerly part of the USSR.

Oh, and the Israelis were friends with the Palestinians, until the Muslim high priest (or something like that) called a general strike against the Jews (the Muslims were in league with Hitler). So, after the Muslims attacked the Jews, the Jews retaliated and took much of the land for their own. They were living as neighbors with the Palestinians until the Grand Mofti (I think his title was) told the Muslims to kill all the Jews.

*Edit* How the heck do you include the formation of Israel in with law suits? The United States did not form Israel, the United Nations voted on it. We were only but a part of it.

They were in no way a Third World Country... Plus, I don't think the United States changed Japan that much...

Are you kidding me? The Nuclear bombings changed them from doing stuff like the Raping of Nanking to being the peaceful people they are. They were vicious; they were one of the few people groups to decently invade Russia, and they were from an island where as groups like the Nazi were on the border. America changed them a lot.

I was referring to his comment about we changed them by force of trade or whatever, sorry for not specifying that.

Well we did open them to trade, and they were pretty angry at us. That might have made them dependent on trade, which is what inevitably lead to WWII.

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curse you wesmic! You're getting me off topic!

Wesmic is Wrong Wrong Wrong

In 1854, U.S. Commodore Matthew Perry forced the opening of Japan to the West with the Convention of Kanagawa. The perceived weakness of the shogunate led many samurai to revolt, leading to the Boshin War of 1867-8. Subsequently the shogunate resigned and the Meiji Restoration returned the Emperor to power. Japan adopted numerous Western institutions in the Meiji period, including a modern government, legal system, and military. These reforms transformed the Empire of Japan into a world power which defeated China in the Sino-Japanese War and Russia in the Russo-Japanese War. By 1910, Japan controlled Taiwan, half of Sakhalin, and Korea.

The early 20th century saw a brief period of "Taisho democracy" overshadowed by the rise of Japanese expansionism. In 1936, Japan signed the Anti-Comintern Pact and joined with Germany and Italy to form the axis alliance. In 1937, Japan invaded Manchuria which led to the the second Sino-Japanese War (1937). In 1941, Japan attacked the United States naval base in Pearl Harbor, bringing America into World War II. After a long campaign in the Pacific Ocean, Japan lost its initial territorial gains, and the United States moved into range to begin strategic bombing of Tokyo, Osaka and other major cities as well as atomic bombing at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Japan eventually agreed to an unconditional surrender to the Allies on August 15, 1945 (V-J Day).

Official American occupation lasted until 1952, although U.S. forces still retain important bases in Japan, especially in Okinawa. Japan adopted a new constitution, establishing the country as a pacifist democratic nation, in 1947 under the occupation authority. After occupation, under a program of aggressive industrial development, protectionism, and deferral of strategic defense to the United States, Japan's gross national product rose to build one of the largest economies in the world. Despite a major stock market crash in 1990, from which the country has not fully recovered, Japan remains a global economic power and has recently begun to re-emerge as a strategic power, lending non-combat support to the Gulf War, the UN efforts to rebuild Cambodia, and the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Jesus Christ, if it means that much to you, then you're right. I'm not going to read that and try to reply my thoughts on this and create another arguement. Half of that looks like a bunch of Japanese peoples names anyways.

Ooooh kay...'nough about Japan. This is about Terrorism and London. Thank you

What I find humorous to an extent is the media is saying that this attack on London was so ing predictable. I never heard anything about an attack planned on London, am I the only person that hadn't heard this was going to happen, or is this the media bullshitting us again?

lol... TRADE! Not dumping off millions of dollars into their government.



Yeah... and...?
Who the hell gives the UN any authority to play with other nations anyways? I'm sure the palestinean's didn't vote to get their land taken away.
The UN is a big joke. The biggest countries get a veto vote, so if we want to do something against China's ally, they can just veto the decsision. That gets no one anywhere.

Ooooo the UN had a vote. That makes us not responsible for supplying them with disproportionate foreign aid. Explain to me why Isreal gets like 30% of our total foreign aid budjet and isn't as big or as in need as other countries. Hell, for the amount we give them for their population, the US government aids the average isrealite MORE than they aid our own people!


lol... that's why when isreal expanded into the gaza bank, against the current terms of the peace agreement, we didn't do anything about it. If palestine would attack isreal, we would be on their ass.

No doubt about it, if we weren't protecting Isreal, they would have been slaughtered by now from all sides.


I meant, if they want to take over and screw with other people's countries, let them fight their own war instead of supporting them.

Germany in WWII wanted to control more land, we attacked them.
Isreal wanted more land, and we help them.
WTF?



And I don't hate isrealites or anything. So any of you here currently residing in Isreal, I'm not saying you are the problem.
To clarify: The problem lays in with the relationship with the US and Isreal and the Isreal government taking advantage of it as much as they can.

Lol IP. They didn't want more land. They wanted everyone to stfu up about it and leave them be. However, when basically every country around them invaded, they struck back. It's because we intervened that the Middle East is not the United Nations of Israel now. Yes, I can see how you might mix up Nazi Germany (who, in case you didn't know, was our enemy) and, at that time, Palestine (or rather just the Jewish population - the Arabs were rather pacifistic until the Grand Mufti stepped in).



Do you value life at all? I am seriously beginning to wonder. I would rather have terrorists and Israel than lose Israel.

Hey dont worry about the ing terrorist my Bro is in the US Armys Special Forces he will kill those damn towel heads that dance in the street wearing sheets!




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