Report, edit, etc...Posted by SuperToast on 2005-08-07 at 18:35:13
No I don't think there is more on the line than I think, and every point have you have attempted to make to change my opinion on the subject has not swayed me in either way. Wow, let's argue over the specific amount of number of people who were at one starcraft event. That's useful; it doesn't really matter if there were 7 or 7 million people there. The point you were trying to make on this thread is that somehow deathknight made some illegal action by discovering and showcasing various glitches. You failed amazingly at the task and now have sidetracked into trying to make us believe that melee is better then UMS. Frankly, who cares? Just because you like melee, and the fact that a whole lot of people do too, means exactly zero. The only way blizzard can continue to make money off starcraft is by keeping new players coming to the game, the EUD triggers open up whole new possibilities for starcraft and in that sense, breaths new life into an aspect of the game that had been slowly withering away (UMS maps). Deathknight's specific actions and others by many programers may or may not have broken the EULA, but the bottom line is that they were not done maliciously, no matter what opinion you seem to have on it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-08-07 at 18:35:20
Replays... useless? Wake up
Replays are useful for melee tournaments, so someone who lost his match can't just go and say "Ok I won my match!"
Replays are useful for melee tournaments, so someone who lost his match can't just go and say "Ok I won my match!"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-07 at 18:35:26
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They say that before they state the live amount. You can assume that it pertains to the audience but I still think it would be ridiculous to think that there are over 100,000 people on that beach watching that show.
There is no doubt in my mind that more than 15,000 people watch baseball on TV in korea (that number is pitiful). I'm also sure that "audience" means "audience". Those two things together leave no room for doubt.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2005-08-07 at 18:37:21
Blizzard knows that money would be flying down the drain to take legal action against someone under 18. Ihatett, you fight your little heart out to get Blizzard pissed at Deathknight, but I can assure you nothing is going to happen.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-07 at 18:38:37
QUOTE(RexyRex @ Aug 7 2005, 05:37 PM)
Blizzard knows that money would be flying down the drain to take legal action against someone under 18. Ihatett, you fight your little heart out to get Blizzard pissed at Deathknight, but I can assure you nothing is going to happen.
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It's been done several times before. Whenever a project comes up that seriously infringes on their IP rights (like the CC Generals mod), they close it down.
Blizzard sent them a cease and desist letter.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-08-07 at 18:38:52
QUOTE(MiLlEnNiUmArMy @ Aug 7 2005, 06:35 PM)
Replays... useless? Wake up
Replays are useful for melee tournaments, so someone who lost his match can't just go and say "Ok I won my match!"
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Replays are useful for melee tournaments, so someone who lost his match can't just go and say "Ok I won my match!"
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Which also brings this thought into my mind: If you are say trying to judge something, yet you need someone else's opinion on the replay, what are you going to do? Make the other person watch it by himself, and not be able to confer with you right there? That's dumb.
Now as for EUD triggers, I don't think they bring NEW people to the game, they just might keep interest for people already playing UMS. I don't think people will be like "OMG check out the new EUD triggers for SC" to someone who doesn't even know what SC is, and why it is so special that a marine has shields
They would be like "OMG play this cool RTS game!" Then they would find out about UMS then EUD.Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-08-07 at 18:39:04
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Those two things together leave no room for doubt.
Apparently they do.
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Replays are useful for melee tournaments, so someone who lost his match can't just go and say "Ok I won my match!"
Valid point, but most tournaments don't intersect patches.
And anyways, as has been said before, you can just use an older version. If you're hosting a tournament, that shouldn't be much of a problem.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-08-07 at 18:39:32
QUOTE(ihatett @ Aug 7 2005, 05:35 PM)
There is no doubt in my mind that more than 15,000 people watch baseball on TV in korea (that number is pitiful). I'm also sure that "audience" means "audience". Those two things together leave no room for doubt.
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You don't know two things:
1. How many people in Korea watch baseball.
2. How many people were in that audience.
And neither do I, so you cannot go around saying there were 150,000 people AT that event. I at least can say that it's not very plausible that 150,000 people were cramped onto that beach to watch that show.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-07 at 18:40:23
New patches screw over third party programs as well make it a huge hassle (and confusion for some) to watch replays. You anti-competitive-Broodwar people are clueless.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-08-07 at 18:40:32
I see ihatett has ignored almost ALL my posts. When I said to just ignore us, because you don't care, I meant ALL OF US.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2005-08-07 at 18:41:12
QUOTE(ihatett @ Aug 7 2005, 03:38 PM)
It's been done several times before. Whenever a project comes up that seriously infringes on their IP rights (like the CC Generals mod), they close it down.
Blizzard sent them a cease and desist letter.
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Blizzard sent them a cease and desist letter.
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What is Blizzard going to close down? "Sir, could you please stop showing and exploiting all of the glitches and bugs in our video game? Thank you."
It's not Deathknight's fault Blizzard didn't fool-proof the game.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-07 at 18:41:26
QUOTE(chuOS @ Aug 7 2005, 05:39 PM)
You don't know two things:
1. How many people in Korea watch baseball.
2. How many people were in that audience.
And neither do I, so you cannot go around saying there were 150,000 people AT that event. I at least can say that it's not very plausible that 150,000 people were cramped onto that beach to watch that show.
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1. How many people in Korea watch baseball.
2. How many people were in that audience.
And neither do I, so you cannot go around saying there were 150,000 people AT that event. I at least can say that it's not very plausible that 150,000 people were cramped onto that beach to watch that show.
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Yes, I know that it's more than 15,000. That is ridiculously small.
Also, you are in no position to question that number (other than you just don't like competitive Broodwar, which is pretty clear). Stop trying to prove articles wrong.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SuperToast on 2005-08-07 at 18:41:55
Did you know that those 3rd party programs are illegal and violate the EULA?
You need to have a clue before you can call someone else clueless.
You need to have a clue before you can call someone else clueless.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-07 at 18:42:27
QUOTE(SuperToast @ Aug 7 2005, 05:41 PM)
Did you know that those 3rd party programs are illegal and violate the EULA?
You need to have a clue before you can call someone else clueless.
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You need to have a clue before you can call someone else clueless.
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Yes, and Blizzard has decided not to take action against them.
Go away and stop trolling.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SuperToast on 2005-08-07 at 18:43:29
You accuse me of trolling?
Wow, simply wow.
An old adage comes to mind:
the pot calling the kettle black
Wow, simply wow.
An old adage comes to mind:
the pot calling the kettle black
Report, edit, etc...Posted by UED77 on 2005-08-07 at 18:43:34
Okay, devilesk. We do not agree on a topic. In fact, I admit I represent a minority opinion, and will acknowledge that watching replays multiplayer is an entertaining experience to the majority.
With this established, I maintain that in most cases, the amount of player slots the replay provides will be enough for the audience. If not, then people will resort to BWScanner's Slot Creator. However, I am fairly sure that in a previous post, I have accurately presented all other functions of BWScanner as unnecessary, and I fail to see why people would be so dependent on it that they are praying Blizzard not to make a new patch, which would render BWScanner unusable for a few weeks.
Besides, it was PsychoTemplar who posted this as a reason, not ihatett. I am still waiting for an explanation from him, but now I see it is quite apparent I will never get it.
UED77
With this established, I maintain that in most cases, the amount of player slots the replay provides will be enough for the audience. If not, then people will resort to BWScanner's Slot Creator. However, I am fairly sure that in a previous post, I have accurately presented all other functions of BWScanner as unnecessary, and I fail to see why people would be so dependent on it that they are praying Blizzard not to make a new patch, which would render BWScanner unusable for a few weeks.
Besides, it was PsychoTemplar who posted this as a reason, not ihatett. I am still waiting for an explanation from him, but now I see it is quite apparent I will never get it.
UED77
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-08-07 at 18:44:21
QUOTE(EzDay281 @ Aug 7 2005, 06:39 PM)
Apparently they do.
Valid point, but most tournaments don't intersect patches.
And anyways, as has been said before, you can just use an older version. If you're hosting a tournament, that shouldn't be much of a problem.
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Valid point, but most tournaments don't intersect patches.
And anyways, as has been said before, you can just use an older version. If you're hosting a tournament, that shouldn't be much of a problem.
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I believe he's referring to why replays aren't useless in general.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-08-07 at 18:45:58
In general, replays are useless to the UMS community, but it is crucial to the melee community.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2005-08-07 at 18:46:26
I'm wondering, these 150,000 people (who cares what number? Large amount of people) come to watch Melee games? Triggers are not run in melee, therefore EUD's are out of the question. The morph hack has been patched. What would you say if any other member found these out?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-08-07 at 18:47:13
QUOTE(ihatett @ Aug 7 2005, 05:41 PM)
Yes, I know that it's more than 15,000. That is ridiculously small.
Also, you are in no position to question that number (other than you just don't like competitive Broodwar, which is pretty clear). Stop trying to prove articles wrong.
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Also, you are in no position to question that number (other than you just don't like competitive Broodwar, which is pretty clear). Stop trying to prove articles wrong.
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It's clear that I'm anti-competitive-broodwar? I've been playing melee since Starcraft came out and I still do, how am I against it?
I'm not trying to prove articles wrong. Just remember that you can be misinterpreting what was said in that article as well as the article itself can be wrong. It's not common for news and articles to have misinformation or a biased view. As you clearly do.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2005-08-07 at 18:47:44
QUOTE(wesmic da pimp @ Aug 7 2005, 03:38 PM)
Technically, if DK wanted to bring these glitches to attention he would have sent them in to Blizzard and they would have fixed the bug and it would have never been spread throughout the mapmaking community.
Looks to me like ihatett is defending an interest: Starcraft Broodwar.
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Looks to me like ihatett is defending an interest: Starcraft Broodwar.
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well said wesmic
QUOTE(Mini Moose 2707 @ Aug 7 2005, 03:45 PM)
UMS is insignificant? What are we on this site for? What are YOU on this site for, if we're so insigificant?
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He's on the site for melee. And UMS is insignificant to melee. If you think otherwise your very ignorant.
QUOTE(Deathknight @ Aug 7 2005, 05:06 PM)
Answer: NO, This doesn't belong in a forum because it belongs in a Private Message if directed towards a specific person. But since you decided to post it out like this, now the whole community's on your back.
All the "as you knew it would" crap is bull:poo:, I don't even predict anything, hell I don't even think when I tell people my discoveries.
Lost your replays? Well boo hoo.
Long history? You mean, long time ago.
No, I did not know the extended unit deaths would require a patch. New problems are almost NEVER caused by new patches.
Well <big surprised sound here> WOW, IT CORRUPTS REPLAYS!1 CORRUPT REPLAYS WILL AFFECT EVERYONE AND DESTROY ALL OF STARCRAFT!!1 OH MY GAWD!!1 :censored:ing deal with it, but god, I really need to call you a newbie for the replay thing. The replays aren't important. Blizzard doesn't care about the replays. Game > Replays. Replays are worthless.
What the hell do you mean making exploitive maps? I was enhancing the mapping aspect.
Modding with maps, of course it's a good idea to spread through the community, it's practically what every mapper dreamed about. I've sent bugs to Blizzard in the past, and, "No Response". Why would I send anything to Blizzard now if they don't even respond to anything?
Impossible. Stop being retarded. You can't run the triggers in melee anyway, so no changes can take place.
CONCLUSION:
If you're one of them, and they don't care, then shut the
up and do what you have to do, completely ignore us, get the off the website, you don't want to listen, so then why should we listen to YOUR bull:poo:?
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All the "as you knew it would" crap is bull:poo:, I don't even predict anything, hell I don't even think when I tell people my discoveries.
Lost your replays? Well boo hoo.
Long history? You mean, long time ago.
No, I did not know the extended unit deaths would require a patch. New problems are almost NEVER caused by new patches.
Well <big surprised sound here> WOW, IT CORRUPTS REPLAYS!1 CORRUPT REPLAYS WILL AFFECT EVERYONE AND DESTROY ALL OF STARCRAFT!!1 OH MY GAWD!!1 :censored:ing deal with it, but god, I really need to call you a newbie for the replay thing. The replays aren't important. Blizzard doesn't care about the replays. Game > Replays. Replays are worthless.
What the hell do you mean making exploitive maps? I was enhancing the mapping aspect.
Modding with maps, of course it's a good idea to spread through the community, it's practically what every mapper dreamed about. I've sent bugs to Blizzard in the past, and, "No Response". Why would I send anything to Blizzard now if they don't even respond to anything?
Impossible. Stop being retarded. You can't run the triggers in melee anyway, so no changes can take place.
CONCLUSION:
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You may not have know what would happen, BUT it DID happen. I never had a problem with you untill that :censored:ing release of 1.12. Your precious EUD triggers are nothing. They help UMS, and in UMS i see people just mimicing other games and stuff. Buy that game instead of wasting space on BNET.
I play SC for what it is, not what it isnt.
QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Aug 7 2005, 05:19 PM)
BWChart to my knowledge doesn't come with the exes. You have to manually link the exe's or even if you click "Run in 1.09" it'll run in 1.13... Maybe my BWChart is old?
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No new version that allows that, you are correct.
QUOTE(Deathknight @ Aug 7 2005, 05:20 PM)
You're right chu, but running custom triggers in melee is truely not - and will never be - possible.
Stop posting, ihatett.
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Stop posting, ihatett.
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Even if it is possible (i doubt it is). I know I as a melee guy DONT WANT TRIGGERS IN MELEE.
QUOTE(Deathknight @ Aug 7 2005, 06:02 PM)
It's a great idea, but the people who want it are too busy bickering about some future patch.
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3 people arguing it. Out of what? The 5 million SC players? Besides we aren't the ones who make that stuff.
QUOTE(Grouty @ Aug 7 2005, 06:03 PM)
dk brought the muta hack/glitch to blizzards attention so that they could fix it he didnt just start that.
anyways as previously stated these triggers effect ums games only. there is no need for a patch if the pc users only label is there. i for one am a melee player first and a mapper second and i love these triggers.
and for your biggest argument "corrupts replays"
you can get a little program (the name slips my mind) that can change the patch version of your current sc bw enabling you to watch replays from that patch
plus hes only like 16 why would he be trying to destroy a game of this magnitude without any personaly financial gain
GG NO RE QUIT HASSELING DK
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anyways as previously stated these triggers effect ums games only. there is no need for a patch if the pc users only label is there. i for one am a melee player first and a mapper second and i love these triggers.
and for your biggest argument "corrupts replays"
you can get a little program (the name slips my mind) that can change the patch version of your current sc bw enabling you to watch replays from that patch
plus hes only like 16 why would he be trying to destroy a game of this magnitude without any personaly financial gain
GG NO RE QUIT HASSELING DK
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Why didnt he report it instead of using it? Or he could have ignored it, because no one else knew about it until he used it. DK is just a hacking UMS freak. I admit he's prolly not out to kill SC, yet his actions harm it.
QUOTE(chuOS @ Aug 7 2005, 06:08 PM)
I'm looking at this article: http://gosugamers.net/news.php?id=2817 and I'm not seeing where it says 150,000 people were at the event. Nor do I see where it says 100,000 people were at a previous event. I think you're confusing 'live' with 'being there'. There is a huge difference. You can view something live anywhere it is broadcasted, the fact they say the event was viewed lived by more than 100,000 tells me that there could not possibly be 100,000 people at the event because I know it was broadcasted on TV and internet and that's most likely where most of the viewers are.
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cares? Even if his numbers are wrong we all know that people do like melee moreso than UMS.QUOTE(UED77 @ Aug 7 2005, 06:10 PM)
Why on Earth would you want to watch a replay with other people? Not only you are wasting half an hour of your life by not doing anything productive, but watching a premade product, you do it with other people!?
Replays on Battle.net are a waste of bandwidth. If you are so intent on watching replays, watch them on your own, and analyze them carefully, not be distracted by others shouting meaningless insults at the players of the recorded game, or forcing their opinions of the strategies onto you.
UED77
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Replays on Battle.net are a waste of bandwidth. If you are so intent on watching replays, watch them on your own, and analyze them carefully, not be distracted by others shouting meaningless insults at the players of the recorded game, or forcing their opinions of the strategies onto you.
UED77
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Your so ignorant, Stop talking on this subject. Forever.
QUOTE(devilesk @ Aug 7 2005, 06:33 PM)
I agree, seeing as I'm not a hardcore melee'er, but I do watch replays, I haven't encountered many times where corrupted replays have been a problem, or have been frustrating to me.
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Thanks for supporting the reps devilesk. Your being useful.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-08-07 at 18:47:59
Hahaha I was right. The ignorant wonderful friend(ihatett)...
What makes you think Blizzard would take action against me?
See, this is what I hate about stupid people, making a topic about someone, and not directing their statements towards that someone. On top of that, completely ignoring the fact that he is posting.
What makes you think Blizzard would take action against me?
See, this is what I hate about stupid people, making a topic about someone, and not directing their statements towards that someone. On top of that, completely ignoring the fact that he is posting.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-08-07 at 18:48:04
Lol, everytime i refresh this page, there's always a new post 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-07 at 18:48:28
Why the Hell you Mod are enough Foolish to Open this thread? Damn Non-Human Mod!!
Okay, New Listen People.
THIS IS GOING NOWHERE, STOP TO POST RIGHT NOW!
Okay, New Listen People.
THIS IS GOING NOWHERE, STOP TO POST RIGHT NOW!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-08-07 at 18:48:31
QUOTE(UED77 @ Aug 7 2005, 06:43 PM)
Okay, devilesk. We do not agree on a topic. In fact, I admit I represent a minority opinion, and will acknowledge that watching replays multiplayer is an entertaining experience to the majority.
With this established, I maintain that in most cases, the amount of player slots the replay provides will be enough for the audience. If not, then people will resort to BWScanner's Slot Creator. However, I am fairly sure that in a previous post, I have accurately presented all other functions of BWScanner as unnecessary, and I fail to see why people would be so dependent on it that they are praying Blizzard not to make a new patch, which would render BWScanner unusable for a few weeks.
Besides, it was PsychoTemplar who posted this as a reason, not ihatett. I am still waiting for an explanation from him, but now I see it is quite apparent I will never get it.
UED77
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With this established, I maintain that in most cases, the amount of player slots the replay provides will be enough for the audience. If not, then people will resort to BWScanner's Slot Creator. However, I am fairly sure that in a previous post, I have accurately presented all other functions of BWScanner as unnecessary, and I fail to see why people would be so dependent on it that they are praying Blizzard not to make a new patch, which would render BWScanner unusable for a few weeks.
Besides, it was PsychoTemplar who posted this as a reason, not ihatett. I am still waiting for an explanation from him, but now I see it is quite apparent I will never get it.
UED77
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The only problem I had with what we were originally arguing is about was that you were basically telling us what is entertaining and what is not, and why we should watch replays alone.