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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2005-12-11 at 15:49:54
Religions should be taught in a a mandatory Social Studies class. In my 7th grade class we learned about Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism. It was interesting to learn about other people's beliefs and how they live under their beliefs. This also may clarify misconceptions about many religions and eliminate intolerance.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-12-11 at 16:02:10
There is no 'separation of church and state' clause in the constitution, only one preventing the establishment of a single religion as the nation's. This shows how it is not illegal to teach religion in schools.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-11 at 18:13:21
There is a law somewhere that prohibits Religion being taught in School.

I just don't remember where I have seen it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2005-12-11 at 20:52:47
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Yup, I love Wikipedia, and I laugh at Arbitrary for being that dumb, and saying that our founding fathers were atheists.. That's hillarious!

But... the founding of America had nothing to do with religion. the colonists coming here had something to do with religion, but the founding of America was because of a very different reason.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-11 at 23:01:56
QUOTE(Jet_Blast54 @ Dec 11 2005, 06:52 PM)
But, the founding of America had nothing to do with religion.

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But... the founding of America had nothing to do with religion. the colonists coming here had something to do with religion, but the founding of America was because of a very different reason.
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I was laughing at his remark because our founding fathers were not atheist. I was not talking about the founding of America.

The protistants came over from England because they were being "prosecuted" by the Church of England. Another reason they came over here, was because of Englands law's and rules.

Now. Tell me how the founding of America had nothing to do with religion -_-

But I ask you, where does this arguement come from? We are discussing Religion in school, not the founding of America -_-
Report, edit, etc...Posted by synd][cate on 2005-12-11 at 23:13:25
I am an Atheist and voted "As a social studies main course entitled "World Religions."

Show people all the crazy things people have worshipped and believed, show them all the blood shed from witch hunts and result of religious fanatics doing crazy shiz.. Anyone who argues against this is a theist who doesn't want you seeing how rediclous their own religion is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-11 at 23:17:40
They should be taught outside of school...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-12-12 at 16:26:42
I am an athiest who does NOT want to learn about some half-assed religion that has no facts to prove theres a god and by chris saying in a post on sen that there is evidence in god if you belive him makes me want to find out where he lives and laugh in his face and shiz on his bible. sorry for being blunt.

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Now. Tell me how the founding of America had nothing to do with religion -_-

america was founded not because of religion. We came here because of religion, yes, but we were ruled by england later on. We seperated from england because of the laws being passed and no taxtation without representation.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2005-12-12 at 18:43:11
How ignorant your response is, it's not about being forced to learn a Religion, it's about learning the culture, if you can't see past that, you are dumb as censored.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2005-12-12 at 20:06:05
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Tell me how the founding of America had nothing to do with religion -_-

That was the reason they CAME here, not why they founded America. It was years later when they got fed up with parliament, if it wasn't for that America would be an extension of England, it wouldn't even have been called America for that matter.
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I was laughing at his remark because our founding fathers were not atheist. I was not talking about the founding of America.

The colonists were mostly religious but an amount (I don't know exactly how many) of our founding fathers were atheist.
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But I ask you, where does this arguement come from? We are discussing Religion in school, not the founding of America -_-

Don't ask me, you guys started it.


But anyways, this has been said through the topic many times, and I will repeat it again:
The schools shouldn't preach it but they should teach it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-12-12 at 20:18:14
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How ignorant your response is,
oh, screw you. Those that actually believe in god are ignorant. They are the oens who can't see passed the wool thats been thrown over your eyes. Your sir, are as guilty as the rest. Religion is bullshiz, I don't want to learn about what some crackhead wrote in a book and how he spoke to god and such. A kid on my bus says he speaks to god... he has a mental disorder.

I guess that makes you as dumb as shiz.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2005-12-12 at 20:19:40
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In History classes, they only briefly skim through the Major religions. Why can't they have a class dedicated to ALL religions? Seeing how there are so many religions out there, I'm sure there's alot to learn if there is a class dedicated to world Religions. Or are you trying to place limits on what people can and can't learn? We might as well purge the Bill of Rights out of our constitution. And Church isn't the place to learn about the backgrounds of religions. It's a place to preach religion.


Then I suppose we should believe in flying spaguetti monster too since it is one religion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2005-12-12 at 20:30:56
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oh, screw you. Those that actually believe in god are ignorant. They are the oens who can't see passed the wool thats been thrown over your eyes. Your sir, are as guilty as the rest. Religion is bullshiz, I don't want to learn about what some crackhead wrote in a book and how he spoke to god and such. A kid on my bus says he speaks to god... he has a mental disorder.

I guess that makes you as dumb as shiz.


baaa.gif The only dumb one here is you, it's not the concept of who believes a god or not, it's the concept of how people live. The culture, a religion can affect how someone lives. Guess your just to close-minded and uncultured to know. bangin.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-12 at 20:39:07
QUOTE(Jet_Blast54 @ Dec 12 2005, 06:06 PM)
The colonists were mostly religious but an amount (I don't know exactly how many) of our founding fathers were atheist.
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Uh, no.

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Then I suppose we should believe in flying spaguetti monster too since it is one religion.


Why the fark do you have to jump on the bandwagon? Can't you come up with your own arguments?

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baaa.gif The only dumb one here is you, it's not the concept of who believes a god or not, it's the concept of how people live. The culture, a religion can affect how someone lives. Guess your just to close-minded and uncultured to know.  bangin.gif
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This comes from some White ass noobie who just joined?

Fyi, you're the close-minded one.

That is why religion should not be taught in school, because it rules people's lives!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-12-12 at 20:41:54
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The only dumb one here is you, it's not the concept of who believes a god or not, it's the concept of how people live. The culture, a religion can affect how someone lives. Guess your just to close-minded and uncultured to know.


Hmmm the only dumb one here is me... why aren't you original. I hope your not calling ME close-minded because I do believe in things that cloe-minded people do not believe in. But at least the things I believe in such as aliens and UFO's have some kind of evidence. (video's, fake or real, showing things flying.) Uncultured my ass. You don't have to believe in religion or like religion to be cultured you fool. French culture nowadays, no matter how much i hate the french, does not need religion to be cultured. Piccasso, Da Vinci, Einstein even did not use religion to be cultured. Guess your too much of an idiot to know..

Owned!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2005-12-12 at 20:42:59
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This comes from some White ass noobie who just joined?

Fyi, you're the close-minded one.

That is why religion should not be taught in school, because it rules people's lives!



How so, how does it rule peoples lives, I don't understand how respecting culture can be ruining it for everyone?, and it's funny how you say a White ass noobie who just joined lol. How old are you, like 12?

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you don't have to believe in religion


Who says I like it or believe in it? It's a way to understand other people, the ways of many other lives revolve around religion, doesn't mean you have to believe it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-12-12 at 20:43:48
hes actualy a college student... how old are you? 14? 15?

Also do not say religion cannot rule ppls lives because I have seen ppl who are ruled by it. Kids who can't watch violent movies, play any sort of games (rayman even) because its a sin (as the father says). Basicly haveing absolutely no life at all because he doesn't want to sin.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2005-12-12 at 20:46:12

People need more culture. A social studies class about religion would hopefully encourage tolerance and understanding. Or it might just be lost upon the majority of the students(I use this term lightly).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2005-12-12 at 20:48:02
Ok, who the hell said believeing? I said understand other people's culture, not to embrace it and take it in literatly. Just because i know about Buddhists and the people that follow that religion, doesn't mean I practice it. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TEACHING IT IN SCHOOL, NOT LEARNING IT TO FOLLOW IT. Wow, read the topic title before you post and make yourself look like a fool.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-12-12 at 20:48:30
I am tolerant of religions. As long as they don't try to convert me I will leave them be. but the 2nd they say "its the better way to live" I go Arnold Schwarzenegger on their ass, terminator style.

Same with gays, don't hit on me and we'll get along fine.

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WE ARE TLAKING ABOUT LEARNING IT IN SCHOOL. Wow, read the topic title before you post and make yourself look like a fool.


Ok same goes for you fool.
Examples!
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How so, how does it rule peoples lives, I don't understand how respecting culture can be ruining it for everyone?, and it's funny how you say a White ass noobie who just joined lol. How old are you, like 12?

pertain to schools?
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he only dumb one here is you, it's not the concept of who believes a god or not, it's the concept of how people live. The culture, a religion can affect how someone lives. Guess your just to close-minded and uncultured to know. bangin.gif

does this one?

I could keep going as alot of your posts don't deal with schools but with how "close-minded" i am. wait... o i see, when i finally prove you wrong/own you, you use the phrase "stick to the topic". pshh... like every other n00b.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-12-12 at 20:49:58
Verbal warning. Stop flaming. The next person who flames will get warned. I highly suggest you edit your post so you won't provoke any more attacks.

Clarifications:

The mass influx of people into America was not just religion. Mercantilism, the opportunity to start over are all valid reasons.

Religion does not control; religion gives a set of beliefs. It's the person's choice to limit himself (or herself) to those standards.

I've already shown why religion shouldn't be in schools in the beginning. Refute those arguements. ^_^
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-12 at 20:54:19
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How so, how does it rule peoples lives, I don't understand how respecting culture can be ruining it for everyone?, and it's funny how you say a White ass noobie who just joined lol. How old are you, like 12?
Who says I like it or believe in it? It's a way to understand other people, the ways of many other lives revolve around religion, doesn't mean you have to believe it.
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Ha! Wow.. Great job Whitie! For your info, I can no longer call noobs like you, noobs, because you're all just a bunch of babies. So now I have to call you Whities.


QUOTE(StalingradK @ Dec 12 2005, 06:48 PM)
Ok, who the hell said believeing? I said understand other people's culture, not to embrace it and take it in literatly. Just because i know about Buddhists and the people that follow that religion, doesn't mean I practice it. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TEACHING IT IN SCHOOL, NOT LEARNING IT TO FOLLOW IT. Wow, read the topic title before you post and make yourself look like a fool.
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Oh wait. Let me get this straight. You come in here, post something completely irrelivant to the subject, then biznatch at us for arguing against your irrelivant post?

You're the one that should farking read the title before you post, Whitie
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-12-12 at 20:58:02
true cheeze that religion does not control but it is ones interpertation of it that controls him. Yet I've seen a lot of brainwashed kids that do not practice religion for themselves but because it was put into them by their parents. It actually sickens me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2005-12-12 at 20:58:43
irrelivant

Explain?
I am talking about teaching religion as a "culture experience" like-thingy Social Studies class to help culture people and help them see a bigger world. Not to convert them. That's what I've been saying this whole time if you read correctly and not just little pieces but the whole thing.

It also may help a kid choose what religion if at all he/she wants to be part of instead of like Euro said, being brainwashed into your family's religion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-12 at 21:02:40
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Dec 12 2005, 06:49 PM)
Verbal warning. Stop flaming. The next person who flames will get warned. I highly suggest you edit your post so you won't provoke any more attacks.

Clarifications:

The mass influx of people into America was not just religion. Mercantilism, the opportunity to start over are all valid reasons.

Religion does not control; religion gives a set of beliefs. It's the person's choice to limit himself (or herself) to those standards.
I've already shown why religion shouldn't be in schools in the beginning. Refute those arguements. ^_^
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I agree with that, but you do have to agree that the reason we left England, was because of the Churches "pursicution" of the Protistants.

But America was founded for other reasons...

I believe Religion should not be taught in schools, because in my OPINION, it should be the parents responsibilty to push their kids along that path, not Education's.
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