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Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2004-12-30 at 14:58:24
QUOTE(Jet_Blast54 @ Dec 30 2004, 07:24 PM)
Ya. Gods are just there to explain the unexplained to the people that don't know how it works, there's no point of believing in God nowadays if we already have an explanation for everything. To modern day people, Rain is no longer made of holy tears, it's made of water. Earthquakes are no longer caused by the Earth God, it's caused by plate tectonics, we don't have any use for gods anymore  except for cultural purposes. so I say we should just throw out the idea of religion.
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And so throw out culture as well? A lot of people need a spiritual aspect to their lives.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-12-30 at 22:02:42
But if their kids grow up without one, they wouldn't need it.

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QUOTE(Halo(MC))
Here you say that you want evidence of god being real. I ask you to prove that god isn't real. I personally have a hard time believeing that a big explosion caused life to start. And how is religion the easy thing? Its just as easy to blindly beleive that the big bang created us all as it is to beleive a god or creator made us.
Edit: False hope is bad But real hope is good. Prove to me that god doesn't exist and i'll stop hopinbg alright ;P

The theory of the big bang was designed to explain why matter and energy in the known universe is spreading outward. I personally do not believe in the part that matter came out of nowhere, because that means there is no time (time is a measurement, and with nothing, there would be nothing to trigger anything). For me, it makes sense to believe in multiple systems colliding and collapsing everywhere really really slowly. Not a solid belief for me, but it's all i have for that right now. However, both these theories make more snese than a magical god coming out of nowhere. The idea of disordered matter coming out of nowhere makes more sense than than a magical being that created everything appearing. If you say god always existed, then that means he has existed for an infinite time, therefore, why would he wait for an infinite time to create the Earth. If plain matter and energy always existed, atleast it would constantly be changing, and it makes ense that at some point somethnig would be created at a specific time, an example is the Earth.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-01-05 at 20:52:48
god yall people are seriosly buying this censored.gif with god and all the stuff that came from the bible. you know all of that is fake with the jews and hindus and other religion censored.gif that they came up and hallucinating. this stuff is like a profit selling crap that is biblical. last time i step in one of those censored.gif ty stores i found mints that says testiMINTS, wtf is that making fun of ur own god or thats just plain wrong

for me i dont beleive in this kind of censored.gif and dont want to be in it
becauce any god isnt a god its just something that keeps people sane for a while

if it wasnt for the religion and all this censored.gif we wouldnt be in this damn religious wars from the past and now and to the future.

the only thing that i would beleive if i see him face to face and gives me one of his dumb mirecles that will help me. then i will believe.

if any of yall so called people christains try to make me beleive on god or some other stupid religion then u can suck my ass. becuace ther is no god and there will never be one

all of this happened threw science that im one of those that i beleive in science
im not one of those beleivers that jesus can cast miricles. then jesus is a mutant
like from the x-men. how the censored.gif is that possible. i dont know maybe this censored.gif is fake. deal with it stick with it and maybe u pray a little bit for all i care.

religion=war no mater what
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2005-01-05 at 21:34:43
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And so throw out culture as well? A lot of people need a spiritual aspect to their lives.

But It is worth it! Religion causes wars and other problems and takes more than it gives.

There are many Different types of cultures besides religion so people would be satisfied.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by best.sock on 2005-01-06 at 08:40:54
dont have time to read 6 pages of god related stuff, so if im repeating sorry. The way i see it is that every major culture that im aware of has come up with its own god(s)/religious structure. If you just think about that and remember how much most people suck, then ya...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-01-07 at 20:57:31
As I've said before, and I'll say again;

Have Fun In Hell!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-01-07 at 21:06:36
Oh yeah, I recently thought of something pretty crazy, but some how, to me, it makes sense.

In the matrix, one of the agents say human lives are depended on misery and stuff. Comfort isn't everything, if we're "perfect", we'll go and look for trouble.

So what if, hell, being eternally miserable is our idea of heaven and heaven, being perfect, is exactly our hell?


Have Fun in Heaven!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-01-07 at 21:08:23
Hell is torture, not bad decisions...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-01-07 at 22:32:35
I don't know, I enjoy torture. Maybe going to hell isn't such a bad thing. Either way, I win happy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by pekkel_the_duck on 2005-01-07 at 22:34:47
Hell is actually the mini prison built for the guys who tried to torch down Casino Loco. Jebus wasn't happy about that and built it. Luckily, he included a mini-bar to keep him company. How nice of him:-_-:
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2005-01-07 at 22:36:35
QUOTE(Razell @ Jan 7 2005, 07:13 PM)
I didn't get a chance to read it so I can't bask in its glory sad.gif
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There are always stories of Hevan (Sp?) and Hell. But there never was a Earth. Sure, they'll throw it in every now and then, but there really isn't a explanation for earth.

And up and a down, down being hell, up being heaven. No middle.

And we always "Look up to the hevans." So we're below heavan. We're in hell.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DrunkenWrestler on 2005-01-08 at 10:36:25
Hell doesn't make any sense to me. Hell isn't a probation or a correction facility, it's just a place to torture you eternally for losing the game of religion lottery. Eventually, it'll cease being justice and perpetuate out of spite and malice. And all because you couldn't answer the question, "who's your daddy?"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gh[o]st_ on 2005-01-08 at 13:46:24
GOd don'T exist, the life is a chimical thing, made by luck and time. Something made the "big bang" then the first element made the first look of the earth. In the water, some element mixed because of the pH(the acidity) the temperature. It took a lot of time before the first cell appeared. Then it growed and became wath we are now. It could had been totally different. But their s no god. This is a to big question for us and this is why we want a god, we want to hope that their s a heven and that angels exist.

Anyway this is what i think

(sorry for the errors)

Gh[o]st_
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2005-01-08 at 19:13:16
Omg u idiots! How could you not believe in god! He has to be there! Something created this world! You cant prove it wrong! Nya nya nya! bleh.gif


You can't prove god is real! He isn't real because a giant explosion created us! God is proven not to be real by science! SO HA! geek.gif


Omg Don't you all get it? We were created by giant lizard space monkeys who eat you all! lookaround.gif



That's basically what all you guys are saying. smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ChampionHunter on 2005-01-09 at 12:02:58
There is no way to prove if there is a God or many God's actually exist. Its a theory. Just like evoulution. Yes, the apes may be very similar to us, but doesn't mean we actually came from them. If evoulution is the actual reason for our being here, then its not the apes we came from, it would be from neurtons, protons etc that were in the water.. Think about it.. I really don't think there is a god, but i don't believe in the Big Bang theory or the 'And It Was'. It isn't possible, everything has to come from somewhere. The 'Cause And Effect' may prove there is a god, but isn't very likely.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DrunkenWrestler on 2005-01-09 at 12:55:59
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There is no way to prove if there is a God or many God's actually exist. Its a theory. Just like evoulution.

Evolution is a scientific theory. In science, a theory isn't just speculation, it's backed by a lot of evidence and deduction. Just like gravity theory, atomic theory, and cell theory. The phenomena of sickness and antibiotics is explained by germ theory, but I don't think you're skeptical when a doctor prescribes you antibiotics, are you? It is "just" a theory.

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Yes, the apes may be very similar to us, but doesn't mean we actually came from them.

You're actually right on this one, we didn't evolve from apes. We do share a common ancestor from them, and they've branched away from us, which would explain why so many sections of their DNA are identical to ours.

The Australopithecus, Lucy, has ape-like characteristics and human-like characteristics. Creationist however, aren't willing to admit that and will classify her as either 100% ape, or 100% human, rather than being a transitional, even though she has characteristics of both.

Same with the Archaeopteryx, even though it had half-assed wings, creationist will say it's not a transitional, but a 100% full fleged bird.

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If evoulution is the actual reason for our being here, then its not the apes we came from, it would be from neurtons, protons etc that were in the water.

...Huh?

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It isn't possible, everything has to come from somewhere.

Why?

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The 'Cause And Effect' may prove there is a god, but isn't very likely.

It would depend on how you define god in this case. If you define him as the first cause, he could just be a black hole filled with maximum entropy, but 'god' obviously has religious connotations that follow.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TSoldier_Wol[f] on 2005-01-09 at 13:44:09
I don't give a censored.gif about god, I just think it's all a censored.gif ing lie, For god's sake, someone in the past could of made it up! Like whats his face, Joseph Smith, He could of made it the kind god that Mormons believe, Hey, I'm not even batlism, or whatever it's called, I don't even believe any religions, I don't believe Mormons, Catalics, Jewish(The one I mostly hate) I don't even go to church! I only met about 20 people who doesn't believe in god, and I'm also one of them!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Raenef- on 2005-01-09 at 14:02:45
I prefer to think that a being that would bother creating us wouldn't just cast us into a firey pit for all eternity, or any other forms of hell in whatever religion you beleive, if the religion you beleive has hell, because we haven't accepted him... only a poor "father" would disown his son because he denied him being his father. happy.gif I like to think that is true, but we have no way of knowing for sure by our own power.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2005-01-09 at 20:42:25
god hates us all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-01-10 at 09:33:36
QUOTE(TSoldier_Wol[f] @ Jan 9 2005, 12:44 PM)
I don't give a  censored.gif  about god, I just think it's all a  censored.gif ing lie, For god's sake, someone in the past could of made it up! Like whats his face, Joseph Smith, He could of made it the kind god that Mormons believe, Hey, I'm not even batlism, or whatever it's called, I don't even believe any religions, I don't believe Mormons, Catalics, Jewish(The one I mostly hate) I don't even go to church! I only met about 20 people who doesn't believe in god, and I'm also one of them!
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Well it wasn't just ONE person. The bible consisted of many books, different authors from different times. Wouldn't it be such a coincidence that all 50-60 authors who lived hundreds of years apart just happened to be talking about the same God?

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god hates us all.
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No he doesn't tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DrunkenWrestler on 2005-01-10 at 16:44:49
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Wouldn't it be such a coincidence that all 50-60 authors who lived hundreds of years apart just happened to be talking about the same God?

Especially the Chinese and the Egyptians, who wrote about different gods? And what a coincidence the authors of the bible wrote about the same god, AND were part of the same esoteric group. Suprising, isn't it?

And what a coincidence when phenomena such as myriads of people being ressurected from the dead occured, it was not recorded in history, but only one esoteric group, Christainity, which was a cult at that time, happened to noticed such a phenomena. The historians seemed to have missed it, but good thing a cult remembered to write it down.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-01-10 at 17:19:46
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Jan 10 2005, 10:33 AM)
Well it wasn't just ONE person. The bible consisted of many books, different authors from different times. Wouldn't it be such a coincidence that all 50-60 authors who lived hundreds of years apart just happened to be talking about the same God?
No he doesn't  tongue.gif
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bah not this again mill, you are going to make me feel like i am going to hell -.-
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Drj12 on 2005-01-10 at 18:04:09
Ok, I have always been a very strong cristian and i believe that god exists and that there is a place that people go when they die and that if you don't leave earth in the state of grace that you will go to hell. Also, i don't care what anyone says about god not exsisting or anything like, we were all created by some higher being, whichever one you believe in. There are so many different gods because people thought of different was to explain the same phenomonom. Life. We all need to go back to the begginging and see what really happened, and right now that is not possible. We also need to consider not seeing and believing. As well as where is the proof that there isn't a god?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DrunkenWrestler on 2005-01-10 at 18:17:55
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As well as where is the proof that there isn't a god?

I wonder if MA or Kirby can explain the fallacy with this line of reasoning.

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Also, i don't care what anyone says about god not exsisting or anything like, we were all created by some higher being, whichever one you believe in.

Or maybe we were the ones who created the higher beings. Just a possibility.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Drj12 on 2005-01-10 at 18:26:47
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Or maybe we were the ones who created the higher beings. Just a possibility.


I refuse to believe this. I was brought up to say that this is impossible. Also, logic may contridict this, but i am one of the smartest people in the grade and i think that reliegion backs up my conversations with other people and helps my all around social life.
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