QUOTE(Mr.Asdf)
sumone must of created this world?
but who
Blizzard Entertainment. We're all actually just a bunch of 1s and 0s.
...Crap, I think there's a glitch in the Matrix!
QUOTE(nuclearrabbit)
I don't like the idea that anyone other than me can control my life/choices.
I'm sure there's tons of people who don't want to believe we're at war. Still, the fact remains we are at war.
QUOTE(getaids)
Something cannot come from a state of nonexistence that has nothing to work upon it. The idea of nothing is absolute. There must be something to make something out of nothing. For this reason, nothing can bring itself into existence. So we know that each thing must be contingent on something for it's existence. Then perhaps there is a continual string of contingent beings bringing into existence other contingent beings. An illogical probability, one that I find neither rational nor satisfying, for there must be a beginning.
We are left with a Being whom is not contingent upon the existence of another being for it's own existence. While difficult to grasp, this is more logically probable. Some shirk at the word Being (meaning entity), yet have no trouble explaining the Universe as existing or agreeing upon an impersonal Force that exists.
This is slightly deceptive in that you define 'God' as the first cause, the uncaused cause, the initial existence that began the universe, etc, and nothing more. With this definition, God can be the black hole filled with maxium entrophy produced by a quntum fluctuation (which are known to be uncaused) that exploded into the big bang. However, the word 'God' obviously has religious connotations that follow.
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Let us begin by examining the Universe as existing. The natural order of the Universe is not a function of the Universe.
An expanding universe allows more room for order to form. Order can arrive from disorder without the hand of a concious being, such as in the formation of a snowflake.
I can't understand the rest of your post because it's just a bunch of assertions without examples to deliniate your point. I'm afraid I might misunderstand and botch the words up to fit my own thoughts, so I'll refrain from responding to it until it's more clear.
QUOTE(Zergling[SK)
]I read somewhere that everything was created, by something that created itself...In other words if you ask 'Who created God?' He created himself because he is the thing that created everything else.
Then not everything has to come from something after all. Perhaps the universe just simply existed.
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I believe the belief in God was used as an explanation for things.
Where knowledge ends, religion begins.
Have you ever noticed that the power of a god is only as strong as the number of people who worship them? Nobody believes in the Greek gods today, but they were as real to the Greeks as the gods people worship today. As their empires crumbled, so did their religions and now they are said today to be false religions of the ancients and are studied in history.
Today isn't too different. The power of Vinshu, God, and Allah are proportional to the number of people who worship them. I wouldn't be suprised if after the United States falls, a new civilization will erect and they will have their own gods to worship, and our gods will be just false things studied in their history classes.
I've also noticed, that in many cultures, gods often take the form of some father figure, which is a theme from childhood. It could be possible that we evolved the idea of god because it served as a placebo, benefitting our psychological health.
Someone on Blizzforums also makes an excellent point on gods:
QUOTE(Dark Magneto @ Blizzforums)
...this guy named moses comes down from a mountain with a set of stone tablets that have rules on them, saying that a God (yes, another one of those things, just like the Egyptians and Romans and Greeks and ancient tribesman and all the others invented). Well this one happened to be more successful than those gods of ancient past. Its values happened to also be the values of the people in that exact time period. What a coincidence, eh? Then it became outdated, so they made Yahweh v. 2.0, with the New testament. That was over 2 thousand years ago, so it's horribly outdated nowadays. You know, back then eating meat on a Friday, eating shellfish, or wearing clothes of more than 1 fabric were punishable by death. Notice we don't do that anymore. Society has evolved, and as a result, people reinterpret scriptures to say things that they don't. There's an entire practice for it called 'Apologetics', which is spin-doctoring scripture to try to shoehorn it with modern-day values.
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The problem with religion nowadays is that no one can proven either side of the argument is correct or not and so we cannot make progress past this part of our lives.
You're absolutely right. However, I won't believe in something because it hasn't been debunked, I will only go where the evidence leads me.
No one has falsified the existence of leprechauns, but just because it hasn't been shown to be false (because something that doesn't exist can not possibily leave behind evidence it does not exist), I'm not going to chase a rainbow to the end for a pot of gold and maybe some Lucky Charms cereal. I won't even bother believing in the possibility they exist until I am shown a logical reason to do so. Takeing the stance, false until shown otherwise, I won't fall for any BS someone makes up.