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He is asking about Catholicism, this is a Christianity discussion. For Christians. Must I post my starting post again? For Christians. Not Catholics. We do have free will, our free will leads to our fate. As Cheeze said, whatever our free will is becomes the fate which we alreayd had. Look at his example VERY closely.

Example:
Event A is going to happen.
Event B tries to change it.
Event B turns out to be the foundation of Event A

Event B is our free will. We try and stop something, but it ends up being our fate. This means while we have free will, it just leads to our fate.

I don't mean to be rude, but doesn't Catholicism fall under Christianity?

But here is my question.

Why did God create Earth, Animals, and Humans? Was he bored? What was his purpose?

Guys seriously, stop asking previously answered questions. No catholicism isn't Christianity, and no I will not answer your alreayd answered question. Look back in the posts to find it if you are truly interested.

Catholicism IS christianity, just one form of it. The christian religion is composed of two different sections: catholicism and protestant.

At first God just created the earth and animals because he... dont remember actually. But then he saw that the earth was missing one really key component: humans. So then God created Humans and we're like his "children" and he wants us to choose freely to worship him.

Wrong, Indecisive. Christianity is a religion of many sects, just to name a few, Protestant, Methodist, Baptist, Catholic, etc. And then, THOSE have variations among them. After the death of jesus, all of the apostles split up with their own bands of followers, each with vary different concepts of christianity. This led to fighting, and book burning. Eventually Paul won. Over the years, the Bible was translated, and even edited to take out texts that went against the teachings of the Church and the philosophy of the times. Eventually people got tired of the Church controlling their lives, and America became the popular place to move. Still, even those new religions got new versions, splits.

Thanks theocratical and millenium for backing me up(even if not by purpose.)

To end this, it is very simple to understand, Cathlics are different forms of christians. Just slightly altered. Now if you still don't believe us...meh....

To Help Mind Archon:
The Bible does not say WHY he felt like creating humans, and the earth. All we know is he took exceptional care of us and showed much love for the creation of Humans. He could of made us out of curiosity, boredom, excitement, spur of the moment. But the fact is we don't know.

Also for Past questions:
Tho God created the earth, it does not say he PUT the the tree of good and bad where it was. This could've been something that was just meant to be there, or not. Nowehere in the bible does it state he placed the tree there.

If catholicism were Christianity it would be called CHRISTIANITY. They are completely different with MANY HUGE differences. For one, the pope. A religious figure in the catholic world symbolizing Christ on earth. This is obviously comepltely wrong. Another major difference, sinning. Catholics believe you can pay for sins. WHAT THE !!!!! Nowhere in the Bible does it say that. It insults the Bible actually. Catholics have turned religion into a thing of money. Many more differences such as baptism(a huge one...), confession(to a human...sheesh), mary, etc. It insults me to be called catholic so don't do it. If I wanted catholicism to be asked here I would have put CATHOLIC QUESTIONS but I didn't now did I. This is specfically for Christians wanting further knowledge on the Bible.

A REAL question to MA. Do you think God made us over millions of years? By your past few posts it is becoming evident that you don't think God made us in 7 earth days. I want to know your thoughts on it, and any evidence you have for believing what you do. Thanks.

That's pretty harsh. Your First post also says:


So why can't he ask a question of the bible? Amazingly you get pissed at the idea of cathlics asking a question relating to christianity. But you mind nothing of an Atheist trying to tangle the bible's principles and trying to prove a non-existant god. How can you allow 1 but not the other?

And your words saying cathlics are wrong is very illmannered. You problems with the cathlic church were already answered by me, and some others. So why try and point it out? Cathlic's and christians are like cousins, we came from the same place but went different ways. Having issues like you do with the Cathlic Church is your buisness, but don't tell people they're wrong by stating facts.

And I answered MindArchon's question already, you just tried to answer 1 question with another 1 that made no sense..(No offense).

My Question has not been answered by anyone!
Who is Michael the Arch Angel, and what is or was his purpose on earth?
Come on people do I have to Offer 100 Minerals for the correct answer?

He didn't ask a question of the Bible, he asked why CATHOLICS made a rule against God. That isn't in the Bible now is it. Cheeze wasn't trying to "tangle" the Bible up. He was merely trying to answer a question asked(it was about the Bible BTW... ). We aren't like "cousins". If you even read my post you will see how they are wrong. You also contradict yourself.



If I am using "facts" then it is true and they are wrong. In this instance saying someone's beliefs are wrong is acceptable. They claim they follow the Bible but clearly(again only if you read my post....which most of you didn't ) what they teach isn't form the Bible. You want to defend them? SHow me the scriptures where it says to do those things. I will be waiting. I have "problems" with people saying one thing and doing another. I have no personal problems with catholics, besides that they falsely represent God. BTW that quote isn't form me...I never said that. Your question hasn't been answered because you failed to provide specifics on the topic. All you gave was a "hint" and quite frankly it is like you are trying to play some game. If you have a question of the BIble ask it, then expect an answer. Don't go parading around giving hints and offering prizes

Geez Indecisive, you're so indecisive.

1) When you Quoted me, i meant others stating facts, not you. read carefully
2)Cheeze was tangling the Bible's words(since you want to provoke me to talk about it), he even said he was when directly in a post.
3)I read your post and i only said i didn't like your opinion, and i said you can't say people are wrong, or a religon is wrong(stop twsiting my damn words, say em directly boy).And don't disgust me kid, you have no reason to get all defensive, the stuff i stated was sidestuff, i'm still on topic.
4)My question still hasn't been answered by you, because you don't know the answer(do you? ). No one is playing some sort of game kid, if you can't answer a question say that. And yes, stated i could offer 100 minerals to answer my question so i could get an answer.

5)You said you didn't say that, but if you went ahead and viewed my quote is says {indirect quote} which means i just made since of what you've been posting.

6)You still havn't proved that Dust_core's post was misplaced...He asked a question on THE BIBLE not cathloism, and if it was catholism why make it injust by saying his post is irrelevant and then saying how cathilics are nothing compared to christians.


And the thing about cathlics paying for foregiveness. Why care if you're not the one doing it? If you know better then why care? Besides it is a form of repetentance, for people to prove how much they want to be forgiven by god by sacrificing large amounts of money. They show god they do not care for worldly things over him, so they throw them away in a form of repentance. Nothing wrong with that, only part somewhat wrong is what the church uses it for(but that's a different arguement).

And if you are telling people to stay on topic, why follow them and after they throw water into the dam, you go in and scold them, and fetch out the buckets of water thrown in. They'll just come back and do it again.

P.S. What's with all the
You need to smile more

Uh, Indecisive. Then Protestants, Methodists, Baptists, etc. aren't Chrisitans because their religion's name isn't Christianity. Oh, and you know what that means? You're most likely not a Christian by your logic. Oh, and by the way, I've seen about seven posts that say something about people 'trying to disprove the existence of God even though it wasn't intentional". WHAT?! WHY IS ANYTHING THAT INCLUDES THE WORD GOD IN IT AND IS NOT FROM A CHRISTIAN IS SUDDENLY TRYING TO DISPORVE GOD?! No, we're simply saying that if God has this, then the Universe has that. How does that even remotely relate to disproving God?! In fact, how can we be trying to if it's not intentional?! Do you even know the meanings of trying and intentional?!

Ok, so it was intentional, is that your point?


You are procisely correct Vodka, king james edited the bible cuz many things were against his will of the land. And he didn't feel like dealing with rebellions, and having to execute people. There are lots of hidden facts about the bible that were rediscovered in the new and old testaments. Just backing up what you said Vodka .

My question remains unanswered...

As far as I can tell..

Very Good mindarchon!
So Michael is basically the One to bring down satan right?(note archangel is known as the position higher then that of a normal angel).
Now to prove the point of what I am about to say(yes it might shock you) i will point out these things:

1)Michael is to lead the army of heaven to destroy and abolish Satan for what he did
2)Michael is God's right hand angel, for handling tasks and dealing with Satan as well as overshadowing the Humans, and watching over us.
3)Michael has been on earth
4)Michael has a task to defeat satan, and has chose upon his own will to do this for what Satan has done to the Humans.

Now check these points out...
1)Jesus is the one meant to take down Satan the devil, and lead the attack against his tyranny.
2)Jesus is God's right hand mand, his master worker, who was the happiest of all to see the Humans created, and living on earth.
3)Jesus was the one who volunteered to save the Humans and watch over them. he also made the ransom sacrifice of his only Life, and sacrificed himself so Humans baring witness to god would be able to retain everlasting life.
4)We have never heard of Jesus's role while he is in Heaven, but he was on earth as well(the ONLY heavenly creature to be on the earth).
5)Scripture proof of who is to fight Satan:

Another Scripture:

The last scripture is pointing out how satan will fight jesus and bruise his heel, but Jesus will bruise Satan's head. Now satan at this time is in serpent form so would a bruise to the head kill a serpent? Yes it would, but a heel bruising would never kill a Human, only delay him as he heals.

In other words This is saying Jesus will be the one to Deal with Satan, tho satan will attempt to kill jesus, he will fail and only bruise his heel...

So now you might think I'm making a strange misconception trying to say God lied. But on the contrary, Note these last points
1)Jesus has a Motive in Heaven as well, but we are not given what he is known as in heaven.
2)Michael the Archangel, has already been to earth, and reported back to the God.

So then if Michael is the one to save mandkind, but we have scriptural proof that God assigned this task to Jesus - AND We know jesus has a altered form in heaven, and Michael has been to earth and is to return there is one large conclusion...

Michael the Arch Angel=Jesus Christ the Messiah.
Is this Needed information? Not really, but it is something to think about

P.S. Thank you for someone finally addressed my question.

My point was it WASN'T intentional. Low reading comprehension skills? I'm done with this thread. My question didn't get a worthwhile answer.

1) I know you meant others. Had you read my p;ost I even stated I knew that, then proceeded to argue against it.
2) He wasn't trying to tangle up the Bible, merely trying to show us what he felt were "loopholes" in the scriptures.
3) I can say a religion is wrong if they show malpractice. No I can not say catholics are wrong in tehre beliefs, but when in there own beliefs they misconstrue and contradict themselves it is wrong. For instance they recognize the Bible and say that it needs to be followed. They then turn around and make up there own rules to abide by. THAT is what is wrong, not tehre original ideas(you misinterpreted that statement).
4) Stop with this "boy" and "kid" stuff. I am older than you! You are playing a game, unless you call Hints and Prizes religious debate? Ok then
5) You made inferences more likely. Nowhere in there did I say ask questions if you aren't Christian, it was only your thoughts. Read the first sentence of my very first post. (did I smile enough?)
6) Perhaps you didn't read HIS post either. "Why do the CATHOLICS..." Need I continue? It is only irrelevant because I specifically stated not to ask questions about that stuff, only on the Bible. Had he said "Why in the Bible does it say..." then I would have accepted it, but by using it as a tool to discover more on catholicism in a Christianity topic I won't allow it. Why care? I can go many places with this one. People commit crimes of murder and suicide all the time. It isn't you. Why care? Hmm. Perhaps you have no feelings...? I care because he falsely represents God. Because of catholics many atheists and such find loopholes in there religion, I do as well. If the Bible doesn't say it then don't do it. I am trying to keep this thread in line but too many people are straying from the topic. I must correct them in order to keep up the help.

TheoreticalHuman: No they aren't Christians. Yes I am, unless you haven't heard of teh Church of Christ? They are the only true Christians, who take EXACTLY what Jesus said before He died(note this is how Christianity came about).

MindAchon: I noticed only two of those scriptures were useable. The others weren't straight out of the Bible. Therefore most likely tainted in meaning.

Dark: If you are trying to say Christ is Michael it is ludacris. The Bible would have plainly stated that. Since it obviously didn't it can't be true. Also, your interpretation of Jesus fighting the devil is interesting. Most Christians would agrree it doesn't mean that. Once you hear what it means you will probably realize it is true. Satan was a serpent, yes? That scripture was saying if Christ were to fight Him He would step on his head(seeing as how in the old days this was done to exterminate snakes and lizards). What the passge means is Jesus is so powerful He will step over the serpent easily, bruising Satan's head(by stepping on it) and bruising His foot(also by stepping on it). In actuality it is sort of what we would call taunting or making fun of. The scripture is saying(in VERY loose but correct words) "Jesus will stomp all over the Devil. Satan is so weak Jesus will only hurt His foot from stepping on Him." If you read it you will understand the meaning. When you step on a rock it hurts your foot a little(wearing sandals). The scripture is saying Satan can't even harm Jesus, but Jesus's foot will get hurt form stepping on Him. See the joke? If not I can try and go into more depth, but it is not meant that Satan will hurt Jesus by defeating Him.

Sidenote: I asked for more information on him dark. I had heard things about him but wasn't sure if they were correct. Failing to provide that information meant I couldn't answer it.

P.S. Nice one MillenniumArmy

Geez Chaos, for the last time HE WAS USING THE BIBLE AGAINST ITSELF.

But since you still are not hearing me, forget it.

About Michael: All you said was You don't believe Michael is Jesus, but once again you havn't proven shit, you never do. But as i said it is not Needed knowledge since it wasn't directly stated from the bible.

About the scripture:
Geez chaos, all most every scripture in the bible can have a double, triple, or quadrouple usage. And in any case you still proved my point, that Jesus is the one meant to take down Satan, so i have no clue why you even tried to correct my viewing of the scripture.

Look at it like this chaos, the bible was written after christ died.
So then... Jesus' death was already well known. Now if God knew Jesus died he then had the bible say it in a certain way...
The point of how i stated the scripture was to show how it states this:
Satan Manipulated Humans so that Jesus Christ would be killed by Humans(god knew of this, this is why we were not punished for the death of christ). So naturally when jesus sacrificed himself so Humans could have everlasting life satan thought he had won, that the role of Jesus' life on earth had failed, and he would then never return to God(yes he had to return to god, for his mission to be complete). But then Jesus was ressurected, and was walking with friends of his from the earth. And then jesus Proceeded into heaven to present triumphantly his return to god. And thus that foretells the even of how Satan will bruise Jesus' Heel, his heel crippled him for a short-while then he got back up like it was nothing. Now all that is to happen now, is for the head of the serpent to be crushed. And that scripture will be therefor fullfilled.

Your explanation of the scripture can also be used. They both interpret the meaning of scripture just fine.

By the way, you CANNOT TELL SOMEONE THEIR INTERPRETATION IS WRONG! Interpretation is opinion, opinion is what you think, it's not wrong. Maybe in the case of misunderstanding YOUR WORDS you can be right. But you can't tell someone they misinterpreted the meaning of something not written, or made by you. especially something as heavy as the bible.

And one more thing about calling you "kid", why are you getting so upset chaos? You are a kid arn't you? It's not meant to be putting you down, it's just addressing you as something other than chaos(stop calling me dark).

And oh yeah, prove Michael the Arch Angel isn't Jesus, and i might reward you.
(Since you want to disregard my words.)

I have a question. What happens to people who don't sin, but believe in a different god?

Example:

Bobby is 7 years old. Bobby's parents are Otherreligionists, who don't believe in God. Since his parent's are Otherreligionists, Bobby doesn't believe in God either. Bobby then goes out to the road to play, gets hit by a car and dies. Bobby was never taught to believe in God, and never sinned.

Does Bobby still go to Hell, just because he didn't believe in God?

[NOTE: Bobby, his parents and the Otherreligionists are fictious examples. Any relation to real people or religions is coincidental.]

All the bible has slight differences in different versions.

But as for the one that i had posted in the top, what do you call the bible? Is it god's word? If it is, therefore, there is no faulties in there and we humans must obey the rules written in the bible.

Another fact

It is originally that the catholic church forbid the making of images and sculptures about god, but when the byzantium influence on christian art, led by constantine had reached far, the catholics forgot the rules and broke it for the sake of art.

I never said your interpretation was wrong, merely that I had a better one which most scholars thought to be the truth. Well then "kid", if you persist on the matter perhaps I can paly your "games" too(double meaning... ).



You said it yourself. It mustn't be true since it wasn't mentioned. Nice going on contradicting yourself.

Voyager7456: Yes he would go to hell(unless he was too young to understand right or wrong). At age of 7 I doubt he would even know what a religion was. use the same example and say the kid was 18 and he would go to hell. If you do not recognize that Jesus Christ is the Son of God you will perish.

As for the catholic thing it further proves my point. There is yet ANOTHER rule of God's they break.

That's stupid. If you're isolated on an island for all of your life.. you go to hell? FOR WHAT?

In the Bible it clearly states that at one point in time EVERYONE knew about Christ. They were told if they did not repent and believe in Jesus they would eternally perish. Those people who haven't heard of him are condemned for teh actions of others. At this point there is NO country that DOESN'T know about the Gospel. If you get stranded on an island you can still believe in God.

Chaos what kind of ing christian are you?
(ok im not being kind to you anymore rude brat , look i can use mean smilies too )

First of all, Hell, or damnation does not exist. People believe in hell from a scripture in the bible saying Satan will be thrown amist the fiery lake with him and his damned demons, and that is where for Satan's time he will reside with all who follow him. People made this out to be a "HELL" and the church manipulated the bible's words to say "This is where you go if you don't go with the word of god". Did you know the first time you sinned, you were walking with the devil? Let alone our own mindsets of evilness toward one another, hatred, our grief, even our way of partying is disacceptable to god. At the age of 7 you've already began playing follow the leader with Satan. So in other words chaos, you're saying 80% or more of the entire world is walking with Satan because they have had time to learn of God, so now they go to "Hell" with Satan? That is the biggest piece of bullshit I've ever heard. Allow to to say 1 thing right now:
YOU HAVN'T PROVEN ANY OF YOUR STATEMENTS FOR AT LEAST 6 POSTS INTO THE PAST. SO SHOW US YOUR REASONING FOR SAYING THESE THINGS.

The way the ressurection works, is that followers of god will not be judged from the eyes of christ nor Jehovah(God), if your heart was true to what you believed, they can peer straight through your heart, and your path will be clear. And those OBJECTING the bible, and knowing of the ways of Good and of Bad, will be judged for what they have done, and appropriately punished(Death a final outcome). And as for those who have not yet had the chance to take in the knowledge of God, they will be viewed as one with a clean soul, for they have never sinned in their respective time of life, yet they will still have to be tested later on.[Not scripture quotes]


Now look at this nonsense...

Scripture proof? Mostly everyone knew of christ huh? Well i won't stoop low and twist your words to contradicting yourself(although i dont have to twist them), but someone young, retarded, or born disabled might not be able to worship god, though they know of him. To be saved from the damnation of death you must Vindicate God's right to rule, and recognition of his son Jesus christ, so just because you believe in god, and christ isn't enough. You must partake of the requests of the bible, that we humans have been asked to do.

If I'm restating something I said earlier how is it contradicting myself?In fact, you saying I am contradicting myself is only because you don't know of what the bible says, or why it says that. Why not do a little research and prove me wrong?


Hmm but didn't you also say.....

Hmmm... So isn't that contradicting yourself?(oops i pointed out a contradiction, at least mine was correct.) You can't prove Michael isn't Jesus, and yet it isn't required information, but disregarding it because of what you believe in, or grew up to believe isn't quite right is it? Mooooooo


I'm older then you(you posted your age and living status F.Y.I.)so you can't really call me kid, but go ahead of you like.

We can play Texas Hold'em I have a mean Poker face .

Summing up what I say:
People who don't get the chance to learn of god, are subject for everlasting life in paradise and will get their souls "checked".
People who disregard the bible(Atheists, Some Agnostics, and disfellowships) will not be allowed to experience life forever, therefor they will die in vain, and after that who knows?
People following god under their own will, and with a clean soul of devotion to Jehovah will be saved, and ascended into everlasting life in Heaven or on paradise.
And will be reunited with their loved ones, and many other friends.

Tuhdah! and the questions are answered, ok now wait i have to prepare for indecisiveman to come and try to counter my post because i know he's thinking about it , so it's time for bed and work tomarrow. Hope your questions are answered theo and Voyager.