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Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-06-24 at 03:08:16
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jun 23 2005, 09:19 PM)
How the hell is stating this:

being more opinion then fact.

Why the hell do people think that facts are opinions and visa versa........?
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What was he suppose to do?

"My god......kids, arabic terrorists have just killed 3,000 people smile.gif. Im going to now and try and figure out how to please every one with my actions becuase everybody knows that NO ONE is allowed to react to this issue until I react. Bye now kids!"

And you also have to realize that there isn't much he can do THAT day. Why? Because all of our brave police men and fire fighters are already at work trying to save lives. 10 minutes wouldn't have made a difference.

PLEASE......
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-24 at 03:49:53
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jun 24 2005, 12:08 AM)
What was he suppose to do?

"My god......kids, arabic terrorists have just killed 3,000 people smile.gif.  Im going to now and try and figure out how to please every one with my actions becuase everybody knows that NO ONE is allowed to react to this issue until I react.  Bye now kids!"

And you also have to realize that there isn't much he can do THAT day.  Why? Because all of our brave police men and fire fighters are already at work trying to save lives.  10 minutes wouldn't have made a difference.

PLEASE......
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You completely missed my point.

You posted about my opinion, not the fact. Why are you trying to start an arguement?

I clearly stated the fact that his polls were going down, and you try to attack my opinon on the 9/11 attack....

Seems to me, you just want to start a worthless argument between opinions.....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-24 at 06:33:32
Now kell, if u said something about the administration going, "Yo, check it. Just cause we're going after osama in the middle east, doesn't mean you ppls gotz to be hating other middle eastern pplz. That goes against what we stand for. A group of terrorists attacked us NOT a country. And even if it WAS a country, not all middle easterners are from the same country."

Now if you pointed that out, then that could kinda help to your cause, but the 9/11 thing with the children, that's a bad example. Between you and me, I personally doubt he was in on it. But I KNOW him OR his administration censored.gif ed up on defending this country, and they're not gonna admit to it. No matter what. They're politicians, give it up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2005-06-24 at 08:30:35
QUOTE(Kellimus)
If Bush is such a great president, then why are his polls dropping? Even the people who voted for him, are saying he is doing a shitty job.

The problem with this statement (I'm not labelling it fact nor opinion) is that not all people who voted for Bush complain about him, and polls are not always accurate. Under the assumption that the polls are dropping, it still does not speak for the character of the person.

While I do think Bush is a [insert adverb] [insert adjective] [insert noun], I am simply pointing out the weak points of your argument, so "How the hell is stating this:" is not necessary.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2005-06-24 at 09:08:16
I've heard several times that if Bush had reacted faster, he could have given the order to shoot down one of the hijacked planes... ermm.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2005-06-24 at 09:29:51
I disagree that he was in on it, but instead of sitting there for 5 to 10 minutes he could have stood up and given some nicely worded statement like, "Hey kids, I have to go attend to some presidential business" and then leave. I believe he just sat there for those 5 to 10 minutes because he had no idea how to act.

I've stated many times before how I feel about Bush. I don't like him. I think his policies are stupid and sorry excuses to make him seem like a better president than he is.

After a two week trip to Europe, I got to thinking about the "tightening of airport security." A friend of mine brought back a few airsoft guns without anyone asking him about it, and another friend brought back a few lighters in his carry-on bag (they now have rules saying you can't bring lighters onto a plane). At customs, we all just walked by smiling and no one had their bags searched. I think one friend even managed to bring back 3 bottles of alcohol and some marijuana.

I'd like to take this moment to congradulate Bush's Homeland Security and the wonderful job its doing to stop minors from bringing back alcohol, marijuana, fake guns, and many lighters that security consider to be "torches."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2005-06-24 at 11:45:51
Difference between fact and opinion:


Opinion- everybody hates Bush
Fact- Bush isn't exactly the brightest of the bunch, to say the least
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-06-24 at 12:47:49
The sad thing is how few people who support Bush actually fully understand the consequences of his actions.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-24 at 14:32:49
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Jun 24 2005, 11:47 AM)
The sad thing is how few people who support Bush actually fully understand the consequences of his actions.
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Exactly. If I was president, I would've bitched slapped who ever made that patriot act, and labelled him a terrorist. But you know, if you slap the word "Patriotic" on a law, people will think it's "Patriotic." And if you hate it, you'll be considered "UNpatriotic." They are dealing simple minded people. They don't care about politics, or have many discussions like this. They just pick a party, and stick with it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-24 at 14:38:36
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jun 24 2005, 11:32 AM)
Exactly. If I was president, I would've bitched slapped who ever made that patriot act, and labelled him a terrorist. But you know, if you slap the word "Patriotic" on a law, people will think it's "Patriotic." And if you hate it, you'll be considered "UNpatriotic." They are dealing simple minded people. They don't care about politics, or have many discussions like this. They just pick a party, and stick with it.
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You would have to bitch-slap yourself, because it was Bush that created it. And they attached the "Rave Act" to it to, basically making any Rave (Huge gathering of people to dance the night away to Electronic Music. For those who don't know what they are) illegal. Now, is that really how our country should treat us Ravers? I believe that is some form of bigotry right there....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-06-24 at 16:13:16
I think was he was thinking about for those 10 minutes was how he was suppose to react.

He knows in his heart that this was partially his fault for 3,000 deaths..... How would you feel? I would feel sick and start thinking of how I could have prevented this and how I can fix it....

Thats alot to take in with little children and a bunch of cameras in front of you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2005-06-24 at 16:42:41
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jun 24 2005, 04:13 PM)
I think was he was thinking about for those 10 minutes was how he was suppose to react. 

He knows in his heart that this was partially his fault for 3,000 deaths..... How would you feel?  I would feel sick and start thinking of how I could have prevented this and how I can fix it....

Thats alot to take in with little children and a bunch of cameras in front of you.
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A lot for Bush. disgust.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-06-24 at 17:15:00
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jun 24 2005, 01:13 PM)
I think was he was thinking about for those 10 minutes was how he was suppose to react. 

He knows in his heart that this was partially his fault for 3,000 deaths..... How would you feel?  I would feel sick and start thinking of how I could have prevented this and how I can fix it....

Thats alot to take in with little children and a bunch of cameras in front of you.
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Shouldn't he be 'thinkning' with military advisors and cabinte around him, or in the limo/plane ride to the white house, not in the middle of a classroom?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-24 at 17:50:53
Exactly, even if you don't know what how to react or what to do, the first thing I think any president would do is at least get to the white house or get more information. He could have at least tried to do SOMETHING during those 5-10 minutes instead of doing absolutely nothing.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-06-24 at 18:17:04
Its so easy for you people to explain what he should have done, but I think if you were in his shoes you wouldn't know what to do at first either.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-24 at 18:34:47
I wouldn't have sat there continuing to read to kids, that's for sure. Nothing good would come from sitting there doing nothing. What I do know is that I would try to do something, get somewhere where I could get information on what was going on, I would want to find out things, not just be idle.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-24 at 21:35:59
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jun 24 2005, 05:17 PM)
Its so easy for you people to explain what he should have done, but I think if you were in his shoes you wouldn't know what to do at first either.
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Actually, I think I would. Cause I would know the ins and out of the government. Know what we can and can't do. And have some sort of plan just incase we get attacked by someone.

Wait, I don't think bush had a plan. Oops, forgot about that. I guess you're right, he didn't know what to do.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2005-06-24 at 21:57:17
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jun 24 2005, 06:17 PM)
Its so easy for you people to explain what he should have done, but I think if you were in his shoes you wouldn't know what to do at first either.
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The response--
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jun 24 2005, 09:35 PM)
Actually, I think I would. Cause I would know the ins and out of the government. Know what we can and can't do. And have some sort of plan just incase we get attacked by someone.

Wait, I don't think bush had a plan. Oops, forgot about that. I guess you're right, he didn't know what to do.
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My response to the two quotes above: whoa there Alpha, STARS said "in his shoes". That means in his body, with his brain. pinch.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by en_taro_shrimpy on 2005-06-24 at 22:58:39
i believe that bush could be a better president if he had just given a good reason for going into war instead of a hunch about them having dirty bombs
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-25 at 02:07:59
QUOTE(PCFredZ @ Jun 24 2005, 08:57 PM)
The response--
My response to the two quotes above: whoa there Alpha, STARS said "in his shoes". That means in his body, with his brain.  pinch.gif
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If i had his body and his brain, I would do the EXACT same thing, (EVERYONE would) unless you're implying that there's a spirit involved. I just assumed in his shoes just meant, in his situation. And I supposed my situation would have to involve not planning something out like this. I mean, is it so unlikely that the country MIGHT be attacked when the president is in an unsecure area? (This being the public school) Did they not spend a few minutes to explain to him and his body guards what to do if the country was under attack? I suppose not. Not saying it was bush's fault, just saying it was some guy under him that didn't inform him. I guess we need to go place the blame on him for not telling our president want to do when the country is under attack.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-25 at 02:38:34
How many of you believe his rushing into Iraq because they have "weapons of mass destruction" (which they did, but not nuclear weapons, as he was trying to say they did) was a smart idea?

I would like to show you this quote:
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Just because a new idea is presented by an 'authority' does not mean it will be good for you to follow it.


Did you know that for the first half of the war, we had no armored vehicles? That shows how unprepared our country was when we invaded Iraq. But read the above quote, it explains everything.......
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-06-25 at 08:57:02
I might mention that we still don't have enough troops in Iraq. I was, and still am, opposed to the war in Iraq. But we're there and like it or not, America has to stay the course. And to stay the course, we need more troops in Iraq to put down the seemingly endless insurgency.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-06-25 at 13:12:15
Yes, the US Army is spread too thin. More proof we weren't ready to dive right in without more support from other countries and/or UN sanction.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-25 at 13:17:56
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Jun 25 2005, 10:12 AM)
Yes, the US Army is spread too thin.  More proof we weren't ready to dive right in without more support from other countries and/or UN sanction.
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Yeah, and with the closing of military bases, it shows what our "president" *coughdictatorcough* is really up to.....

I would like to add this quote, from the great JFK:
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Ask not, what your country can do for you, but what you, can do for your country


Is this not how American Democracy is supposed to work? Seems to me, that the people no longer have a say of how the government is ran... Seems like the Chief Exectutive Officer (CEO) also known as the "President" is the one in charge.... And not the american people......
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-06-26 at 00:10:35
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jun 24 2005, 10:38 PM)
How many of you believe his rushing into Iraq because they have "weapons of mass destruction" (which they did, but not nuclear weapons, as he was trying to say they did) was a smart idea?

I would like to show you this quote:
Did you know that for the first half of the war, we had no armored vehicles?  That shows how unprepared our country was when we invaded Iraq.  But read the above quote, it explains everything.......
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Again, I would have expected better from you. We DID have armoured vechiles, tanks, Bradley Fighting vechiles, M113's (APC), Marine amphibious vechiles (APC), Strykers.

You must be talking about the few hummers that didn't have armor, and you know who were driving those hummers? The men in the BACK of the bus, i.e. the guys were weren't going to see any action. The emergency room medics (non combat) and water purifiers (examples). Basically the men who weren't going to see any action. But when we took over cities and the foreign insurgency started, there was no longer a 'front line' so even men who weren't suppose to see combat were being blown up.

No armoured vechiles? Please....................Do your homework before you make a statement like that.

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Is this not how American Democracy is supposed to work? Seems to me, that the people no longer have a say of how the government is ran... Seems like the Chief Exectutive Officer (CEO) also known as the "President" is the one in charge.... And not the american people......


Well, we the people voted him for our president twice. Last election he got the most votes for any President in history, most votes since 1969.
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