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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-16 at 18:40:24
It's because they aren't as subtle as Daddy was.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-16 at 18:50:06
QUOTE(Zordon @ Feb 16 2006, 06:19 PM)
Not to cause any moral decay, but Demaris....... I have viewed your replies, and i'm sorry to say, but you are the one that has no grasp of what is being said here. Anarchy works perfectly. Do you think any tribes in Africa, Australia, or even Native Americans (before the US kicked them into reservations) had anyone to rule over them like a government does? And look at them? They are nice to themselves, and others who come to observe them (Just a few aren't. But that's in their NATURE) Please refrain from trying to say that their chiefs rule over them like a government, because that is the most pathetic excuse of an argument that anyone could ever come up with. The chiefs do absolutely nothing. Except take up space, and make the major decisions (Such as war with other tribes and all that mumbo jumbo)


First of all, you are a moron. I do not mean that as flame. I mean that you a genuinely too stupid to understand what you are talking about.

1. The tribes in africa and australia ruled themselves, that was not anarchy. It is called TRIBAL MONARCHY. How on earth would you know if they did nothing? You have no idea! You are MAKING IT UP. That is called LYING. It's not like you lived in the tribes before America put them on reservations or Europe exploited the Africans/Aboriginees.

Also, you have to understand that their population density was EXTREMELY lower than ours. How many people would you be willing to kill to make anarchy work? If you say even ONE, you are just as bad as people that declare these wars that you complain about.

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Calling someone brainwashed is an immature way to debate? Saying that you're disgusted with someone's replies, is not a better way either, you nimrod. But it is the truth. Most of the American people believe that the war in Iraq is going horrible and such. But the media perverts the minds of we Americans, and makes us believe it's horrible (I know many people over there, and they say it's not entirely bad) when it's not as bad as they say it is. We still should not be in that place, but that's a different discussion.


Am I a typical american? No. Don't assume. Assuming something and generalizing people is immature. When did I even bring up iraq?

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And may I ask you what you have pointed out? Nothing? I think that is the word to best use in your description. You have pointed absolutelly nothing out. You've let all the "intelligent" people here, do it for you. So don't claim that Bun-bun has not done anything to try to enlighten any of you. Because that is all that Bun-Bun has done. Showed you the truth of what Anarchism is. To bad Mr. Loser-Musician cannot comprehend that attacking someone, and not their reply, is against the rules here at this dull place. And it's also bad how he dogs on this "super capitalist kid that can never admit they were wrong", when it's also the same for him.


I've let other people point out everything?

What about:
This

Or This

Especially This




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Bun-bun has been telling you exactly what to do. Take out the powers of the nation, and let the people fix it themselves. To bad you're not bright enough to understand that once Anarchy is in control, the corruption will balance out, and the people will form a new government.





Again, I say:
QUOTE(Demaris)
You've done a great job of pointing out the flaws in society, but you've offered no solution other than "get rid of it". That's the same as going to your car, finding a flat tire, and saying "I'd be better off without the car."

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-16 at 18:56:43
QUOTE(Demaris)
Intelligence is in the minority.

Common sense is in the minority.

Therefore stupidity and rashness are in the majority.


To bad you're in the majority.

QUOTE(Demaris)
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Bun-bun has been telling you exactly what to do. Take out the powers of the nation, and let the people fix it themselves. To bad you're not bright enough to understand that once Anarchy is in control, the corruption will balance out, and the people will form a new government.

Again, I say:
QUOTE(Demaris)
You've done a great job of pointing out the flaws in society, but you've offered no solution other than "get rid of it". That's the same as going to your car, finding a flat tire, and saying "I'd be better off without the car."


Hmm.. Thanks for quoting my point when it proves that he showed exactly what to do.

Saying: "Take the powers of the nation, and let the people fix it themselves" is showing what to do. You cannot go step by step on what to do, because there are millions of ways to do it, you nitwit.

That is the most generalized you can get.

Why do you always contradict what you say?

To bad I don't have time to "debate" with arrogent little kids like you. I have a life. I advise you all get one, too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-02-16 at 18:57:54
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None of you are looking at the big picture. You're all too narrow-minded to comprehend what it is that we Anarchists actually do and think. With all these hypothetical 'but what if you had no food, and decided to rob your neighbor?' The thing is, you wouldn't be in a situation where you wouldn't have food. It's the current system of opression and hierarchy that causes people in the lower 'class' to go hungry. With equal rights, no one would be denied the necessities. Just because you clean the bathrooms at Taco Bell for a living doesn't make you less of a person, doesn't mean your liberties can be denied. But, sadly, that's the way it is in this world.

With equal rights whoever is the closest to the food would get food, people wouldn't be required to work and transport food, thus, they wouldn't do it. Humans started out as anarchists, we didn't come with a government. People saw that it didn't work out and that's why governments were made in the first place.

P.S. Disagreeing with your argument doesn't mean that I am narrow-minded and can't look at the big picture, if you say that then it's obviously the other way around.
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Well, for some aspects, you're right, but we realise that it is wrong, and, usually deny those urges. Those who don't are the true plague of this earth. Just because you WANT something, doesn't mean you NEED it. You'll realise that eventually, and start thinking differently. The reason Communism failed was, partly, because people didn't think. They just DID, without thinking about it.

If we know that it is wrong and usually deny the urges, then why are there so many rapes that happen every day? The law against it stops some of those sick people, but with Anarchy the whole load would be unleashed on us. Not everyone thinks like an Anarchist, and that is why Anarchy wont work out without a society of perfect people,
and.. well... there is no society of perfect people.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-16 at 19:03:31
QUOTE(Zordon @ Feb 16 2006, 06:56 PM)
QUOTE(Demaris)
Intelligence is in the minority.

Common sense is in the minority.

Therefore stupidity and rashness are in the majority.


To bad you're in the majority.

QUOTE(Demaris)
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Bun-bun has been telling you exactly what to do. Take out the powers of the nation, and let the people fix it themselves. To bad you're not bright enough to understand that once Anarchy is in control, the corruption will balance out, and the people will form a new government.

Again, I say:
QUOTE(Demaris)
You've done a great job of pointing out the flaws in society, but you've offered no solution other than "get rid of it". That's the same as going to your car, finding a flat tire, and saying "I'd be better off without the car."


Hmm.. Thanks for quoting my point when it proves that he showed exactly what to do.

Saying: "Take the powers of the nation, and let the people fix it themselves" is showing what to do. You cannot go step by step on what to do, because there are millions of ways to do it, you nitwit.

That is the most generalized you can get.

Why do you always contradict what you say?

To bad I don't have time to "debate" with arrogent little kids like you. I have a life. I advise you all get one, too.
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First of all, reported for flame. I'm tired of the insults.


Second of all, how have I contradicted myself? I said that what you said WOULD NOT WORK. That is called DEBATE.

You still fail to address my points.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-02-16 at 19:05:51
Demaris is right, you guys need to cool it, a comment here and there isn't bad but you guys are constantly flaming each other. Flaming doesn't get your point across, it just makes people flame you two times over.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-16 at 20:19:10
QUOTE(Demaris)
First of all, reported for flame. I'm tired of the insults.


Second of all, how have I contradicted myself? I said that what you said WOULD NOT WORK. That is called DEBATE.


Wow. Thanks for spamming the topic with your useless comment of reporting me for flame. You're just a whiner.

And what I said, WILL WORK. You're just to close-minded to realize how easily Anarchy would work.

Look at society before government. The caveman days. And look where we are now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-16 at 20:51:55

Oh yes, the caveman days were great.

To have a child, a man whacked a woman over the head with his club and raped her. Seems great to me.

Also, you get to struggle to survive! How about living till you are 30 and then dying via starvation? Or Syphillis? Sound like fun?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-16 at 21:05:46
Maybe within your little fantasy world Mr knowitall.

Remember the Mesopotamians? Did the first of them have a form of government when it first started off?
QUOTE(Wikipedia)
In the earliest known period Sumer was divided into several [b[independent city-states[/b], whose limits were defined by canals and boundary stones


My point exactly. Anarchy ruled the Sumerian's until they created their own form of government.

But since you're to blinded by your pride, you're going to ignore everything I just said, and tell me that I know nothing at all, just because i've proven you wrong.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-16 at 21:09:19

Mesopotamia? How about Hammurabi? Pretty iron-fisted ruler.

Also, Babylon was the most successful city-state of that time. So the one with the most invested government was the most successful? Imagine that. Looks like anarchy fails in YOUR examples too.


ADDITION:

Also, City-States aren't anarchy, idiot.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-02-16 at 21:09:49
anarchy did not rule the early sumerian city-states. the city-states were either ruled by kings, priests or upper classes. i do not think anarchy has ever been tried before. the reason being humans cannot exist in it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-16 at 21:19:37
QUOTE(Demaris)
Mesopotamia? How about Hammurabi? Pretty iron-fisted ruler.

Also, Babylon was the most successful city-state of that time. So the one with the most invested government was the most successful? Imagine that. Looks like anarchy fails in YOUR examples too.


ADDITION:

Also, City-States aren't anarchy, idiot.


"Reported for flaming"

And by the way: Babylonians were after Sumerians, you dolt.

Let's put it into terms that retards can understand:

James is a bully. He rules the playground with an iron fist.

Johnny get's bullied. He doesn't like it. He rises up against James.

The other little kids see him do this, and rise up, too.

Kicking James from the playground.

James no longer rules. No one rules. Anarchy.

The playground is back to it's normal way of life. Just without James there.

Then later, the school implements Recess Duties; Thus, another authority is in power.

Revolution. Caused by unrest within' a form of government. People rise up, and strike the government down. They fix themselves up.

But again, you're going to say that I'm wrong, and that you're right.

Pride blinds the weak
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-16 at 21:21:40

Yeah, that last point is basically the only thing you have that is true.


The way humans work:

James is a bully. He bullies all the kids.


The Teachers (a.k.a. Government) step in and stop it.


Get it?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-16 at 21:22:44
QUOTE(Demaris)
Yeah, that last point is basically the only thing you have that is true.


The way humans work:

James is a bully. He bullies all the kids.


The Teachers (a.k.a. Government) step in and stop it.


Get it??


Put it into terms of adults, reject. Kids are dependant. Adults, are not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-16 at 21:23:31

So it's ok for YOU to put it in terms of kids, but not for me to?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-16 at 21:25:07
QUOTE(Demaris)
So it's ok for YOU to put it in terms of kids, but not for me to?


It's called an example. If you're not smart enough to put it into different terms, you don't even deserve to read it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-16 at 21:29:23

Just to prove you wrong, here is a situation in terms of adults:


John has all the (insert high demand product here).

He only sells a few at a time, at ridiculous profit.

Now, in Anarchy, nothing is there to stop him.

With a government in place, anti-monopoly laws come into effect, thus stopping him.


ADDITION:
QUOTE(Zordon @ Feb 16 2006, 09:25 PM)
QUOTE(Demaris)
So it's ok for YOU to put it in terms of kids, but not for me to?


It's called an example. If you're not smart enough to put it into different terms, you don't even deserve to read it.
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I WAS USING AN EXAMPLE TOO!!!!

For christ's sake, the next time you pull some crap like that, I'm letting you sit and and act dumb by yourself.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-02-16 at 21:29:33
This is assuming that everything happens exactly as you say it does, which will rarely be the case.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-16 at 21:30:33

To whom are you talking to?

My situations assume that people act like people normally do.....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-16 at 21:30:48
QUOTE(Demaris)
Just to prove you wrong, here is a situation in terms of adults:


John has all the (insert high demand product here).

He only sells a few at a time, at ridiculous profit.

Now, in Anarchy, nothing is there to stop him.

With a government in place, anti-monopoly laws come into effect, thus stopping him.


In Anarchy, he would be dead; Thus, creating a standard way of doing things for everyone else. Enless they wished to die.

Are you to close-minded to realise that people learn from other's mistakes?

Here is another example:

Todd has something that Billy needs.

Todd is a little hoe, and witholds it from Billy.

Billy kills him, and takes it. Setting an example for others.

The example being: If someone wants something, you should share it with them, or be destroyed.

Every single other living thing on this world lives in an Anarchist form. So it's PROVEN it works.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-16 at 21:31:36

So we should live like savages, and kill when we please?

Seems like a primitive and ineffective system to me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-16 at 21:35:39
QUOTE(Demaris)
So we should live like savages, and kill when we please?

Seems like a primitive and ineffective system to me.


Look where we are now. That's EXACTLY how things worked back in the day, you pudwhacker.

Ever heard of the French Revolution? Where are the French now?

Are they all dead? No.

So it's PROVEN Anarchy works.

And by the way, if it hasn't already been pointed out (As it seems like it hasn't because of your repetative ignorance) Anarchy is only temporary.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-02-16 at 21:35:40
As what demaris pointed out, removing a flat tire doesn't fix the car. Unless you plan on replacing it w/ a new tire. (In this case, a new government)

like what I said before, the only thing going for anarchy is the ability to start over.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-16 at 21:36:42
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Every single other living thing on this world lives in an Anarchist form. So it's PROVEN it works.



Most small fish live in an almost communist fashion, sharing food sources and relying on the group for protection.

Lions live in packs, which function like Monarchies/Feudalism.

Even MONKEYS have a hierarchical society.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-16 at 21:37:39
QUOTE(Loser)
As what demaris pointed out, removing a flat tire doesn't fix the car. Unless you plan on replacing it w/ a new tire. (In this case, a new government)


Are you a fool? That's exactly what Anarchy does! It rids the people of authority, until a new form is created!

That is what I have been saying.

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QUOTE(Demaris)
Most small fish live in an almost communist fashion, sharing food sources and relying on the group for protection.

Lions live in packs, which function like Monarchies/Feudalism.

Even MONKEYS have a hierarchical society.


No, lions don't. Lions follow the strongest in the herd. Once that one dies out, they follow the other strongest.

Instinct.

We humans, follow what we see is the strongest (Government) Once the government fails, Anarchy prevails until another strongest (Government) is created.

But "you're right, i'm wrong".
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