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nothing to say at this point....


theres a couple of right wing people here...

ill remain open minded >.<

indecisiveman, shut up you bitch too much. Brillant thing about life is you cant tell people what think or use your opinions. Freedom of the mind, power to think for yourself and make up your own opinions what Christianity and bible is. Some your posts just stupid and didnt prove a point in them. Think before you post.

If there is a God, the Jews are right. No eternal damnation, no Satan, you simply wait until God forgives you. I'm taking a guess here... Mao's still waiting.

Correct, nothing in the bible says you will be hurled into Hell forever. The only people to be damned with Satan are those who KNOWINGLY CHOOSE to walk with Satan, rebel against god and show disobedience to his laws. People who simply did not do as god wishes, but didn't side with Satan either, are fated to eternal death as was the punishment from partaking of the tree of good and the bad. (however sin's death plague is not stated to be infinite, but we don't know how long an eternity is).Death is the flaw of Human disobedience and knowledge of right and wrong, so the whole point of obeying god's laws is for us to regain our perfection state, and thus live forever.

Very good Point theo(tho i have no clue about what you mean by "the Jews".)

P.S. Hi Moogle

I am a TRUE Christian from the Church of Christ. You have never been nice to me, news flash? As well as anyone can on SEN(that's what they are there for )



Hell DOES exist, rather you admit it or not. I see you have not enough knowledge of the Bible to take my word for things I say. Very well *proceeds with scriptural evidence*.

Psalm 55:15 15 Let death seize them;
Let them go down alive into hell,
For wickedness is in their dwellings and among them.

Psalm 139:8 8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.

So those just show hell is an actual place. With the people reading it I see two won't be enough Very well. I shall quote the WHOLE Bible if I must. To stick it in your brain.

Proverbs 9:18 18 But he does not know that the dead are there,
That her guests are in the depths of hell.[a]

14You shall beat him with a rod,
And deliver his soul from hell.

Is four enough? Perhaps I should get 10 references??? Well we will see. All of those scriptures refer to "hell" as a PLACE. Not some made up lala land. Now here are a few that show if you are like a child you won't go to hell.

Luke 18:16 16 But Jesus called them to Him and said, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God.

That shows heaven is made up of people with the minds of children. This means they think clean and pure and don't sin.

Mathew 18:3 3 and said, "Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

This backs up my previous statement.

Mark 9:37 37 "Whoever receives one of these little children in My name receives Me; and whoever receives Me, receives not Me but Him who sent Me."

I HOPE you have figured it out. Kids won't go to hell nor are sucepted to sin at a young age. If you haven't figured that out....God help you.



Your last part is the one which is incorrect. Those who haven't heard the Gospel(which as i stated earlier at one point everyone had, and today everyone has a chance if they feel so inclined) WILL go to hell for not recognizing God. Unless you are telling me a terrorist who has never heard of God will go to heaven? I think not. Here is my scriptural proof.

Romans 1:20 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse

This CLEARLY says that everyone will know about God because of everything that is made. Without excuse, no excuses for people who "claim" they haven't heard of Him. Woah I just came upon this too.

Romans 1:19 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them

That also shows even if SOMEHOW you DON'T know about God, it will still be in your heart. If you can't see that you must be blind.

In conclusion you can see that if I feel the need I will get scriptures of what I say. I haven't seen a single scripture for YOUR opinions, now why is that? Everyone can worship God if they feel like it, but as that scripture showed many will rebuke it and walk away from it.

Moogle: You post was VERY close to flaming and had NOTHING to do with the topic. Ask a question or stay out.

Odd thing I just found. CLEAR scripture that says Gays are condmned to hell. I happened upon it while reading the Bible. Isn't that great? here it is.

Romans 1:27 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

It goes further saying God gave them the right mind to ask for forgiveness but they chose not to.

Romans 1:28 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;


Although I could go on for hours with scriptural proof I think this is sufficient. Seeing some things of the past I kind of doubt myself . Now stay on topic people!

The irony. Little children happen to be some of the most savage and selfish humans on the planet. If children were to rule the world, they would murder, abuse, and steal, it's simply inherently in the nature of man. Innocence does not equate to kindness. I'm sorry, Indecisive. But I hate you. I can't stand someone like you, who relies on 200 year old texts from peoples who believed lightning came from the wrath of god, to actively influence the world. the reason people aren't being kind to you is that you justify illogical statements with a book that should've gone out of print one thousand, eight hundred years ago. I'm tired of being nice to you. You just piss me off extraordinarily.

Your attempts at description are just attempts to flail at me. And you misused a few..such as...


But wait... I coulda swore that I said....

And in addition....

God help me? I already stated clean souls, immune to the sights of sin cannot be sent to eternal judgement with Satan the devil. Like I said, you were just somewhat provoked(or angry) to try and make me sound like i was wrong. That's cold (By the way, these quotes just made half of your post irrelevant ).

Oh yeah you also said...

Ok I made a mistake here(somewhat). I did say Hell doesn't exist(hate rushing), but i was attemtping to prove a point that no one can go to hell before the end of the first Thousand years, and the second death. Yes i made an error and you pointed it out well, but now i will clear up my reasoning.


Ok now to add-on to this:
After Satan is released from his prison he will attempt to launch an all out assault against god, and everything that is holy. Scriptural proof:

Ok, take a breather guys, and read a lil more.

And finally the important part.

Hell exists, but this scripture shows that it is only meant for SATAN(and his devout followers. Also we see that Hell is the great Fiery lake, which no Human is meant to withstand. But However we see in a scripture shortly following...

So we can make out that the fiery lake is Hell because Hell is where Satan and his dominion are to remain for the rest of their days. How can we die now and goto hell when it isn't time for judgement yet? And also the time of judgement is after armageddon, and the first death. Only those disobedient to the idea of god will be judged undivinely upon the time of second death. But many of us will be part of the first death(first resurrection in which Jesus Reigns). However sadly many more of us will be part of the second death by the current look of things. But basically you cannot be damned to Hell immediately after death. Thus My point is still proved that Hell is not a place for all Humans. Only those who have sinned, acknowledgely sinned, and enjoyed doing it. Those will be the ones hurled into the fiery lake.(At least you pointed out a decent misprint in my writing).

Ok so let's sum this all up...

The sad part about this is...

Which is very sad. It means many people are destined to be dead for a very long time, and then hurled into the fiery Lake. But once again that only applies for those who Ignore their belief in god(your quote suggests that anyone who isn't following the bible steadfast will be forced into this fate. The Fate of the Fiery Lake is only meant for those who Acknowledgely ignore God, and have heard of god's word[the bible] and his commands for our everlasting life.)
And also...

You have seen scriptures from me throughout my whole posting time. I guess I'll edit and add em in if it would make you happy. But at least you finally showed some sort of proof from the bible, but sadly the point you were trying to make was pointless. And the point wasn't that Hell exists, it was that I said "it doesn't exist", although I meant "it's not how most people see it, There is not Hell, or heaven, there's more ".

In Conclusion:
Does Hell Exist? Yes
A 18 year old man who has only heard about god and some commandments(and has not been shown the way to paradise, by a VERY APPARENT MEANS) can not be condemned to hell.

Is Hell hades? No
Do we goto Hell right after we die? (according to the bible) no
Is Satan already Residing in hell? No
Where is Hell? The Fiery Lake of Torment of an eternity.
Did I make a missprint in my other pust? Yes
Will Cow's learn to fly?(oops wrong question! )
Can god give everyone a chance at Life in Paradise? He gives what's needed but many turn it away. Which is why it is important for followers of the bible, to spread god's word(vindicate it) throughout the earth.
Do Most People get at least one chance to get apparent Knowledge of the Bible? Most.

That's all for now really. I'll post another question later in the week.

A few things wrong with your assumptions. As my scriptures pointed out you WILL go to hell if you don't know about God. By the Bible it says EVERYONE knows about the Gospel, rather you choose to believe in it or not is up to the person(read my passage again for further reference). Satan IS in hell(notice how God cast him "down to the fiery pits of hell" in an earlier chapter). We DO go to hell if we have sinned and not repented for those sins. People who "don't know" about the Bible will go to hell. Howevever(as my scriture CLEARLY stated) EVERYBODY(again I say this...) knows about Him or has the knowledge INSIDE of himself to make it to heaven. So your explanation of the 18 year old kid he WOULD go to hell. Unless of course he repented, believed in Christ, and was baptised(as is shown to be needed to enter the kingdom of heaven). Everyone is given a chance to go to hell OR heaven, whatever they choose is up to them. About the kids thing, who said I was arguing against you? I was merely pointing it out so people would know...guess you DID jump to conclusions. No hell isn't meant for those who "knowingly" rebuke God, as my scriptures stated ANYONE who doesn't believe those things will be condemned. Those with the knowledge of good and right of course. Obviously kids fall into that category because they can't choose for themselves at such a young age.

TheoreticalHuman: Now that IS a flame and WILL be reported. I am sad that you "hate" me. Nobody should ever be driven to hatred of another person...I guess because I am a SOMEWHAT good student of Christ I am therefore a bad person. Perhaps it is because at every point you think you are right I disprove you. What do YOU depend on for evidence? Documents. Ok then. We are one in teh same are we not? Lots of people made the Bible, lots of scientists make "evidence" and statistics. Both documentations are old, and HOPEFULLY text. So stop being a hypocryte . I thought the Bible was 2000 years old, not 200? And last I checked kids didn't commit murderous acts against humanity I could be wrong? I mean we are always hearing of how little Timmy killed his parents right? Ok then, stay out of this topic, you aren't in any way trying to help.

I said it should've went out of print 1800 years ago. At every point you prove me wrong, huh? With a book of mythology? Sure. That post was on the borderline of flame, but then again, how are you any better? Doesn't your religion state that Paganism is evil, not believing in Jesus is evil, and various other statements that place you on a great religous high point at which you can damn all the other religions? Sure, you can call all other ideologies false, but as soon as anyone goes against your almighty Christianity, there's hell to pay.

Somebody is in a self-righteous mood as usual. And I thought the religious fires had burnt out.

indecisiveman: Where do I start? You still believe wholeheartedly in a theoretical being that has never given anybody on this site any reason to believe in him. If God suddenly opened a gap in the clouds, poked his head out and said 'hay guyz, sorry I haven't been around for 2000 years, I was just having some quality father-son time with Jesus,' then I'd believe in him. Unfortunately, he's never done anything like this since Biblical times, so he's either:

A) Dead
B) Never existed in the first place - the Biblical accounts were made up to cause fear and impose order on a world of ill-educated, superstitious people.

Christianity and all religions that base their beliefs around some higher power that will smite them if they don't follow it are dinosaurs that should die but will not, because there will always be uneducated/impressionable/superstitious people in the human race.


You are the one forcing your fire and brimstone, evangelical, missionary, fundamentalist claptrap on the rest of us. Understand that people who do not fall into the uneducated/impressionable/superstitious category will just laugh at your arguments and feminine interjections (e.g. 'GOSH!' ...lol).

I get more opinionated as I grow older, so I am more likely to offend people, but despite your freedom to hold the views on spirituality which you do, I think I speak for the majority when I say that you need a good kick up the backside.

Report me if you want. I haven't used foul language, and a few minerals lost are worth the satisfaction in putting down outrageous preachers like yourself. If you want to hold the views you do - then I'm sure the good folks sailing in the Mayflower back in the 1600s would welcome you.

People take freedom a bit too far. Say Jim, believes that frogs are actually small aliens who evolved into man then went into the future. In the 50's, Jim would've been thrown in jail for being a f**king lunatic. But nowadays, HEY, DON'T INSULT HIS OPINIONS, THEY CAN'T BE RIGHT OR WRONG. Ugh. More and more, I see a purpose for Eugenics. Idiots should be sterilized.

Damn. You knocked my post onto the last page!

I will ask one more time for you to post on topic. I specifically stated I didn't want this sort of conversation happening. Get on topic and ask questions or stay out. I won't get any nicer in telling you this.

Ok this has opened up and i gotta say a few things.
Sadly Indecisive has 2 points...
1)We are getting off track of the main outline of this thread(No one cares tho).
2)Theo is basically just trying to prove the bible says unfair acclaims(why I don't know) but he's right by saying those posts don't belong here.

Now about refering to my posts...

Ok man, the bible says nothing of any man going to Hell for our sins of one lifetime. I can't stress it enough. And also the Bible says this...

Quote/unquote:Humans return to dust-to nonexistance-when they die. When we die our spirit is at rest, that is all the bible says about what happens as we die. Now since you are certained people goto hell, you seriously must prove that god sends people to hell when they die. You can't prove it.
1)God loves Humankind, he has been looking over us since the beginning(as the bible says). So why would our God send us to Hell as we die? He created the Fiery Lake, or hellfire, so why would he condemn us to eternal torment? What you've said i will sum up in one sentence, that is defenitely seen over more then 5 posts.

So you're saying that our sins for 1 lifetime, are so inconceivable, that we are to be tormented day and night for all eternity? And god is condemning us to that fate? As i said before, that is the biggest piece of bullshit-crap i have ever heard in my life. Why would our loving creator(since we're quoting the bible) send us to a fiery brimstone of Hellfires and Put us to death for ever and ever. He wouldn't! Oh yeah, and incase you were confused, Jehovah(god) decides who is sent to the fiery lake(not even jesus decides!). So if you're saying God will send us to Hellfire, you've contradicted the whole damn Bible by saying he doesn't love us. But of course, those are your feelings, you deal with em.

And also, if we return to dust at death, tell me how can you be tormented when you die. Because the bible says:

And if we goto the Hellfire or hell, to be tortured for all eternity, we 1 need a body... and 2 need to be conscious of the torture...

Remember, the Consequences for our sins is DEATH, NOT TO BURN IN HELL AS YOUR CHURCH HAS TAUGHT YOU(not just you kid, i'm talking to anyone reading).

And this reinforces my statement which says:


And once again, all your posting just proved that there is a hell. Nothing more, you didn't prove god sends his children to hell, but of course if you're trying to prove that i still doubt you could since you couldn't prove anything else.(except Hell exists).

Oh yeah, about where you most likely got the idea that hell is the consequence of sin.
-"Some religous teachings use and abuse the teaching of Hellfire, true or not? and why? Because it serves as a deterent to wrongdoing".(a scarce consequence)
-People use the Teaching of the Hellfire to keep people inline, and to make them stay under the obideince of the bible so they wont cause trouble. This is all find and dandy until you twist the Bible's meaning.
-Finally once more i state, What is the Punishment for our sins?:

Clear and simple, our sins do not damn us to Hell.
However Enjoyment of Sinning, vindication of Satan, and Hatred of God, are reasons to be sent to Hell.

Now if you find some miraculous way to even try to make a point, back it up a little bit. (Oh Yeah, I didn't turn your post against you, you should thank me.)

Edit:Fixing my quotes right now, they're not appearing.
Fixed em all. Sorry for any inconviences.

Dark I can not BELIEVE you think that. The Bible in MANY cases CLEARLY shows PEOPLE will go to hell for hose things. Must I give hundreds of quotes to stick it in your head? Very well.

Mathew 5:22 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause[a] shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, "Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, "You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

Mathew 5:29 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Mathew 10:28 28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Mark 9:45 45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched--

If by this point you haven't gotten the idea I feel sorry for you.

Mark 16:16 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

John 3:18 18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

*Sighs*

John 3:36 36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

2 Thessalonions 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Well, although I want to continue to make you look more foolish in your arguments I will stop here. Those scriptures should convince you, if not...just...gosh I don't know. All of them clearyl say PEOPLE will go to hell for not believing or worshipping, etc. FireKame has asked me to close this thread so I will do so for now. Everyone needs to calm down and cool off.

Edit#1: I noticed you said only God has the decision. Guess you don't know much about the Bible. Jesus IS God buddy, nice try.

I dont see the whole point in this volatile christian vs christian debate. We're all on the same side and you guys should be patting each other on the back because you both have chosen to believe in God and know you will now join him in Paradise in Heaven!

I am Sorry for the quotes errors, I could not figure out why the quotes are not quoting. So I have given up. I do not blame anyone who misunderstands this post

You're straying away from the points i pointed out. If you cannot prove a point to not make sense, at it contradicts your own, how the hell can you be proving yours is right. But anyway, let's take some of your "Beloved quotes".
[quote]Mathew 5:22   22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause[a] shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, "Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, "You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire. [/quote]
First of all, post the entire scripture, and maybe make it make sense.
[quote=Mathew5:21-22]You heard that it was said to those of ancient times, "You must not murder; but whoever commits a murder will be accountable to the court of justice. However, I say to you that everyone who continues wrathful with his brother will be accountable to the court of Justice; but whoever addresses his brother with an unspeakable word of contempt will be accountable to the supreme court; whereas whoever says, "you dispicable fool" will be liable to the fiery Ge-hen'na"[/quote]
Explanation of the scripture: God is giving an example of right and wrong, if you read farther back into this scripture you would see that(don't throw stuff around from the bible, the bible even says read it thuroughly before promoting it.)
Now he says he who sinned will be accountable in the court of justice(a.k.a. second death, resurrection of the rest of mandkind, not the first 1000 year reign but christ but after, he has lost the priveledge to be part of the first picking of the fruit.). It further says that people who continue to have vengence against their own kind, and continue to fuel their hate and sin will be submitted to the supreme court(Second Death's final judgement time, the judgement of God and Christ, as they will be the ones to peer into your soul and check you.).But the one who continues farther into his hatred and sin, and comes to say to his brother " dispicable fool!'(meaning he enjoyed the partaking of the sin) will be subjected to the fiery lake, and depths of Hell(SUBJECTED, NOT CONDEMNED)

Also i could've sworn you havn't proven you don't object god. Cuz I believe i proved the facts such as...
[quote]And also, if we return to dust at death, tell me how can you be tormented when you die. Because the bible says:

"The Living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages because the remembrance of them has been forgotten."

And if we goto the Hellfire or hell, to be tortured for all eternity, we 1 need a body... and 2 need to be conscious of the torture...[/quote]
And...
[quote]Now since you are certained people goto hell, you seriously must prove that god sends people to hell when they die. You can't prove it.
1)God loves Humankind, he has been looking over us since the beginning(as the bible says). So why would our God send us to Hell as we die? He created the Fiery Lake, or hellfire, so why would he condemn us to eternal torment?[/quote]
And before you say Jesus can choose who is sent into "Hell" but i stated from a scripture...
[quote]"Why would our loving creator(since we're quoting the bible) send us to a fiery brimstone of Hellfires and Put us to death for ever and ever". He wouldn't! Oh yeah, and incase you were confused, Jehovah(god) decides who is sent to the fiery lake(not even jesus decides!). [/quote]
And you also said something extremely dumb, I'm guessing you missprinted because you were in a hurry, but in any case you said...
[quote]Edit#1: I noticed you said only God has the decision. Guess you don't know much about the Bible. Jesus IS God buddy, nice try. [/quote]
Jesus...is God? Wow you are slower then a damn worm(since you wanna use the disgust thing again). There are more then enough scriptures for you or anyone to go look up to prove Jesus is the son of god...I could've sworn even you knew that!
I am trying to fix quotes, and will add the rest of the post as a part 2.


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This is the other Half, sorry I won't make em so long from now on.

I won't adress another 1 of your scripture quotes that you don't undetstand so don't worry. However Let's address this...
[quote]What you've said i will sum up in one sentence.

-Indecisive, what it appears he is thinking-"If you do not do what god wants you to, you're going straight to hell, if you do not follow him, learn of him, and carry out his order, you will be tormented for all eternity."

So you're saying that our sins for 1 lifetime, are so inconceivable, that we are to be tormented day and night for all eternity? And god is condemning us to that fate? As i said before, that is the biggest piece of bullshit-crap i have ever heard in my life. Why would our loving creator(since we're quoting the bible) send us to a fiery brimstone of Hellfires and Put us to death for ever and ever[/quote]
And also, if Jesus is God, and Jesus determines our fate, would he send his loving creations to "hell"? Still not likely, now learn your facts .

To go with that I can add...
[quote]Finally once more i state, What is the Punishment for our sins?:
"The wages sin pays is death".[/quote]
And that backs up...
[quote]And also, if we return to dust at death, tell me how can you be tormented when you die. Because the bible says:

"The Living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages because the remembrance of them has been forgotten."

And if we goto the Hellfire or hell, to be tortured for all eternity, we 1 need a body... and 2 need to be conscious of the torture...[/quote]
Yawn, chaos your arguements are not being supported. See watch this...
[quote]Mathew 5:29 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.[/quote]
This is stating that it is better to prevent yourself from going anywhere near adultery, and the thought of it. Because sin is desireable and it is hard to stop. Here allow me to post the rest of that scripture for u smart guy. And your scripture is not straight out of the book as I can now see.(bad chaos )
[quote=Mathew5:27-30]"You must not commit adultery. But I say to you that everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already commited aldutery with her in his heart. If, now that righ eye of yours is making you stumble, tear it out and throw it away from you. For it is beneficial to you for one of your members to be lost to you than for your whole body to be pitched into Ge-hen'na!."[/quote]
Again... It is a warning, better to make sure you stop now, then to begin to commit the actual act of adultery and then grow to like the sin of it so much, you grow to be okay with disobedience to god.

And another...
[quote]Mathew 10:28 28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.[/quote]
This one is just saying do not be fearful of threats of those who would dare to kill you, hurt you, murder you or your family. Because it is much more fearful to become a sinner of enjoyment and be sentenced to be thrown into the great fire of the Gehenna(you keep replacing Hades, Gehenna, and fiery lake with Hell, is that you or your bible?)

Yawn, i read on a little bit to find...
[quote]Mark 9:45 45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched--[/quote]
Same thing as the eye, take care of your desire to sin before you become smitten with it. How Many more must I do for you to understand?

Again Fixing quotes...

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The Last Part of it(hopefully).

Wow, I described this one ages ago, it's lost to the depths of this thread. It is a major point in the bible, but notice it doesn't say what?
[quote]John 3:18 18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.[/quote]
But somehow my bible says...


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It wasn't

[QUOTEJohn 3:18-19]He that exercises faith in him is not to be judged. He that does not exercise faith has been judged already because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten son of god. Now this is the basis for judgement.[/QUOTE]
Where'd you get condemned from? And if our bibles are different, that quote defenitely doesnt say they're condemned to Gehenna. It only says they shall be condemned. However my Bible doesn't even use that phrase, better to just leave this one alone eh?

[QUOTE]John 3:36 36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."[/QUOTE]
God's wrath for Humans is his punishment. And his punishment is none other then death. Which is not his fault in the first place F.Y.I.

O now this one backs me up just fine
[QUOTE]2 Thessalonions 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.[/QUOTE]
They enjoyed sinning, knew of god, rejected it, and thus fullfills the statements I have said. They shall be judged rather or not to be thrown into the fiery lake with Satan.

[QUOTE]Well, although I want to continue to make you look more foolish in your arguments I will stop here[/QUOTE]
1)I just showed the true meaning of each scripture you posted, and make you are still the one contradicting yourself .
2)Aww why stop? I was getting warmed up.

[QUOTE]Those scriptures should convince you, if not...just...gosh I don't know. All of them clearyl say PEOPLE will go to hell for not believing or worshipping, etc. [/QUOTE]
1)None of them say that people are bound to goto Hell for not believing in god.
2)I just brought out the "truth" or meanings of each scripture.
3)I am only convinced you are somehow obsessed with changing what i know to be true, and believe.

[QUOTE]*Sighs*[/QUOTE]
Me too, this is getting tiresome.

Finally-
[QUOTE]FireKame has asked me to close this thread so I will do so for now. Everyone needs to calm down and cool off.[/QUOTE]
1)If that is what the Mod wishes, then so be it. At least we got 8 pages .
2)Yes you do need to calm out, and i need neosporin(Blisters!! )

So what you're saying is that you have no response to my comments? This thread ceased to be about Christian to Christian matters some time ago.

If DrunkenWrestler was here he'd probably get a stomach ulcer.

agreed. Topic Closed until things have cooled down. PM me to request this reopened, with some good reasons.