Report, edit, etc...Posted by kirby_star on 2005-09-15 at 18:50:45
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Well i believe in heaven and all that "blam" but when i die i wanna be a high templeress
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Yay... some one changed the subject back on topic but still.... it was fun about dark matter... yeah believe best hope eheh? okk... so let me guess... you are a girl? no offense but with all that pessimism in the last few posts I thought you were a boy...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2005-09-16 at 16:40:44
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True, you fear pain not death
Page1Finally! Ive been trying to get that point across on another thread for quite a while...
Oh and on this thread,-
Maybe people shouldnt fear death... but they should avoid it for quite a few reasons.
You would have missed out on things you would otherwise have experienced.
Your loved ones will be sad.
Of course none of this applies if ure a familyless homeless person. (no offense, DS-202
)Report, edit, etc...Posted by Toothfariy on 2005-09-17 at 18:22:37
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DO NOT POST ANYTHING UNTIL YOU READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE:
How many of you think that when you die, you cease to exist?
Tell me now, if you cease to exist, then you can't remember, regret, or be proud of anything you did in your life. So why not just kill yourself now?
Because people are afraid of the unknown, and what awaits us in death is the greatest mystery that has lasted for several mellenium.
Then we go to the other side of the argument. When you die, you go to Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory. Regardless of which one you go to, you will eventually gain access to the other two. Notice I say eventually, which could mean anything from a decade to a trillion years. The point is eventually, you learn the tricks, the shortcuts, and the skills. So what happens after you've gone to all three, and experienced everything in each one? After a trillion trillion years of existance and you have done everything the universe has to offer, whether in Heaven, Hell, Purgatory, or the Mortal Realm, what do you do? You're not going to keep existing when you've done everything many, many times and you are the best and you are boredwith everything. What then?
You find a way to stop your existance.
And if you don't exist, you can't remember, regret, or be proud of anything you have done, because you don't exist and there's no longer any brain or soul to think for you.
So which ever you beleive in, they both lead to the end of existance.
I beleived the above for a long time and was on the brink of suicide. Then two things occured to me:
A) We may not be able to convive it, but what if there is truely an infinite amount of stuff out there? That means an infinite amount of stuff to do. Therefore, existance would be entirely worth existing.
B) Memory is a weak and easily manipulated thing. A smack on the head can erase it, so after allthe experience you would have had and all the information you would have gathered by the time you have done everything, you will have found out how to manipulate your our memory. Therefore, you can simply erase anythingy ou wish to repeat, and you will experience it in it's fullest because, for all you know, this is your first time.
Then again, there are things that, no matter how smart I am or how hardI work, I will never understand until I am dead; until I have left my body and moved on to another energy level. Until then, all I can do is wait.
I'm not too patient, though, andI can imagine you aren't either. Find yourself a dream that you are willing to commit yourself to and seek it with all your focus. You'll find that your life will be much more enjoyable if you can sprint through it rich, then if you have to crawl through the pain and suffering of poverty.
If any of the above is really screwed up, don't blame me. Blame my lack of sleep and the Red Bull I drink to keep from hallucinating.
How many of you think that when you die, you cease to exist?
Tell me now, if you cease to exist, then you can't remember, regret, or be proud of anything you did in your life. So why not just kill yourself now?
Because people are afraid of the unknown, and what awaits us in death is the greatest mystery that has lasted for several mellenium.
Then we go to the other side of the argument. When you die, you go to Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory. Regardless of which one you go to, you will eventually gain access to the other two. Notice I say eventually, which could mean anything from a decade to a trillion years. The point is eventually, you learn the tricks, the shortcuts, and the skills. So what happens after you've gone to all three, and experienced everything in each one? After a trillion trillion years of existance and you have done everything the universe has to offer, whether in Heaven, Hell, Purgatory, or the Mortal Realm, what do you do? You're not going to keep existing when you've done everything many, many times and you are the best and you are boredwith everything. What then?
You find a way to stop your existance.
And if you don't exist, you can't remember, regret, or be proud of anything you have done, because you don't exist and there's no longer any brain or soul to think for you.
So which ever you beleive in, they both lead to the end of existance.
I beleived the above for a long time and was on the brink of suicide. Then two things occured to me:
A) We may not be able to convive it, but what if there is truely an infinite amount of stuff out there? That means an infinite amount of stuff to do. Therefore, existance would be entirely worth existing.
B) Memory is a weak and easily manipulated thing. A smack on the head can erase it, so after allthe experience you would have had and all the information you would have gathered by the time you have done everything, you will have found out how to manipulate your our memory. Therefore, you can simply erase anythingy ou wish to repeat, and you will experience it in it's fullest because, for all you know, this is your first time.
Then again, there are things that, no matter how smart I am or how hardI work, I will never understand until I am dead; until I have left my body and moved on to another energy level. Until then, all I can do is wait.
I'm not too patient, though, andI can imagine you aren't either. Find yourself a dream that you are willing to commit yourself to and seek it with all your focus. You'll find that your life will be much more enjoyable if you can sprint through it rich, then if you have to crawl through the pain and suffering of poverty.
If any of the above is really screwed up, don't blame me. Blame my lack of sleep and the Red Bull I drink to keep from hallucinating.
you make a very good point. i think we all relize that we are going to die one way or another and since im half aythest, i think that i should do what i can while i can. on the other hand, i do belive that somhow we exist here in some bizzar way. so who knows. i have no clue, so im not goin to kill myself cause i got somthin to liv for. girls. lol
but i dont see why we waste our time on earth. it's gona be destroyed some time and we are going to run of gasoline and then what. we will be stranded on this damn planet decaying for billions of years. we are gona have to destroy some of this technologey like computers, cause soon we will relize that we are useing too much of somthin and then our race will be lost.
anyway im just saying that we waste too much time trying to be the best. i say do what you have to do to survive thats all lol.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Valug on 2005-09-17 at 18:28:52
[sub]
This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end
Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes...again
Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free
Desperately in need...of some...stranger's hand
In a...desperate land
Lost in a Roman...wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah
There's danger on the edge of town
Ride the King's highway, baby
Weird scenes inside the gold mine
Ride the highway west, baby
Ride the snake, ride the snake
To the lake, the ancient lake, baby
The snake is long, seven miles
Ride the snake...he's old, and his skin is cold
The west is the best
The west is the best
Get here, and we'll do the rest
The blue bus is callin' us
The blue bus is callin' us
Driver, where you taken' us
The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and...then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door...and he looked inside
Father, yes son, I want to kill you
Mother...I want to...
you
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the blue bus
Doin' a blue rock
On a blue bus
Doin' a blue rock
C'mon, yeah
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill
This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end
It hurts to set you free
But you'll never follow me
The end of laughter and soft lies
The end of nights we tried to die
This is the end[/sub]
This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end
Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes...again
Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free
Desperately in need...of some...stranger's hand
In a...desperate land
Lost in a Roman...wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah
There's danger on the edge of town
Ride the King's highway, baby
Weird scenes inside the gold mine
Ride the highway west, baby
Ride the snake, ride the snake
To the lake, the ancient lake, baby
The snake is long, seven miles
Ride the snake...he's old, and his skin is cold
The west is the best
The west is the best
Get here, and we'll do the rest
The blue bus is callin' us
The blue bus is callin' us
Driver, where you taken' us
The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and...then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door...and he looked inside
Father, yes son, I want to kill you
Mother...I want to...
youC'mon baby, take a chance with us
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the blue bus
Doin' a blue rock
On a blue bus
Doin' a blue rock
C'mon, yeah
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill
This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end
It hurts to set you free
But you'll never follow me
The end of laughter and soft lies
The end of nights we tried to die
This is the end[/sub]
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Toothfariy on 2005-09-17 at 18:32:10
umm is that even revelent to this topic? it's a song or a poem or somthin, but shouldn't that be in a lyrics post?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-17 at 18:41:15
Why kill ourselves when we can experience life.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Toothfariy on 2005-09-17 at 19:03:46
life is nothin but work. thats why
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-17 at 19:04:38
Heh, I'm fine with you killing yourself. In fact, I suggest 99% of SEN go kill themselves.
Yes life is pointless, so everyone please end yours.
Yes life is pointless, so everyone please end yours.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Valug on 2005-09-17 at 20:15:34
[sub]The Doors know best.[/sub]
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-17 at 20:18:31
Okay, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and give you a chance to explain to me and clarify what you mean by:
Before I label it spam.
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The Doors know best.
Before I label it spam.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Valug on 2005-09-17 at 20:21:09
[sub]The lyrics of the song I posted is by the Doors.[/sub]
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-17 at 20:27:44
Ah I see. Now I know that the lyrics you posted mean something.
Now could you tell me what the meaning is behind the lyrics? Explain them to me please.
Now could you tell me what the meaning is behind the lyrics? Explain them to me please.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Valug on 2005-09-17 at 20:30:39
[sub]I dont know.. Dont kill me please.[/sub]
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-09-17 at 20:57:19
Its ironic how that album was released right before the band was forced to break up, due to Jim Morrison dying and all.
However, that has nothing really to do with the topic, unless you'd like to get into the psycho-analyitical side of the lyrics and compare them to the article at hand. THat could take many pages and paragraphs, and brains
In short, The Doors rock. But its still spam.
That's an allusion to Oedipus.
However, that has nothing really to do with the topic, unless you'd like to get into the psycho-analyitical side of the lyrics and compare them to the article at hand. THat could take many pages and paragraphs, and brains
In short, The Doors rock. But its still spam.
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The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and...then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door...and he looked inside
Father, yes son, I want to kill you
Mother...I want to... you
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and...then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door...and he looked inside
Father, yes son, I want to kill you
Mother...I want to... you
That's an allusion to Oedipus.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-17 at 21:01:22
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That's an allusion to Oedipus
Lol that sucks, he killed his father and married his mother. Then blinded himself...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2005-09-18 at 22:56:03
...With a Sewing needle. Ouch.
Life is pointless unless you give it meaning.
Life is pointless unless you give it meaning.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-09-22 at 23:29:10
QUOTE(Demaris @ Sep 18 2005, 07:55 PM)
Life is pointless unless you give it meaning.
What possible logical meaning could you give to life? "To get rich" - You'll die and cease existence, and lose all you attained.
"To get famous" - Ditto.
"Not to gain self-esteem for my accomplishments, but for others to." - A plaqueworthy statement, but others will die and you'll fade into some history book, which you won't care about anyways because you don't exist.
"I don't want to hurt my parent's feelings due to my death." - They won't feel any pain from it when they die later.
If you cease existence at death, then what "goals" could you make to be "proud of" afterwards? If you are follower of logic, then follow it and end life.
"Christians" and a few other religions, on the other hand, have some 'reason' to exist. Supposedly, they were ordered by God to save as many people as possible; therefore, they must still live to save others from "eternal damnation" or "worse karma" or whatever. Doesn't matter if it's not true, because they believe they need to stay on earth for this reason.
BUT, for all you "logical" people out there who see the truth about Christianity, the facts fall straight in place that those not of those "religions" have no reason to exist.
Ah, the Philosophical Paradox indeed.
It is quite obvious that some people believe that we have no reason to existence, yet are hypocritical by keeping life. I bet few are trying to deny the logic placed before them, but I am not one to be easily made a fool of.
----
Let the logic speak for itself:
Assume) Mankind lacks existence after life.
1) Then, why exist?
1b) There lacks sufficient reasons to exist.
1c) Only few religions who were "assigned" by God have a 'reason' to keep existing, even though its false.
Conclusion: Most mankind should not exist, due to no logical reason TO exist. All non-religious followers who uphold logic must enact the effects of this sound logic.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-09-23 at 07:57:11
Kirby, stop ruling out the possibility of just because there isn't a straight-forward reason, we can't make our own.
I've created my own reason to exist: to learn. Can I do that if I'm dead? Nope. But I can pass the information on for the rest of humanity.
This reason for existing requires nothing spiritual. Nothing religous. And it has gotten me further in life than many other people.
Just remember this, the idea of god is only there to explain. It doesn't give justification for anything. Much like how Roman's used gods to explain their world.
I've created my own reason to exist: to learn. Can I do that if I'm dead? Nope. But I can pass the information on for the rest of humanity.
This reason for existing requires nothing spiritual. Nothing religous. And it has gotten me further in life than many other people.
Just remember this, the idea of god is only there to explain. It doesn't give justification for anything. Much like how Roman's used gods to explain their world.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ... on 2005-09-23 at 17:21:55
Not trying to get in a flame war here, but heres a quote taken from the 2nd post in this topic.
I know it's hard to imagine it, but I'm trying to say that something has to be right there. For instance, the Big Bang. Where did the planets that "is together" come from?
Another example, you say God has to be made by something, if that were true, the something that made God has to be made from something, thus going on an endless process. I hope you know what I mean.
Darwin DID actually realize that evolution is false right before his death. You will say thats fake information, but how would you know? There is very few or no evidence to support it.
Here is a true story about us before God created the universe.
God made many angels. After a while, Luicifer, the angel of music, thought that he is more powerful than God. So he rebelled against Him, and 1/3 of God's angels rebelled too. Thus, Luicifer became ugly and changed his name to Satan. The angels become demons and helped him to steal as much humans possible. He invented evolution, Big Bang, and many other things. Remeber that he is god of music, he created Rock, Rap, Hip-Hop, or any other music that is not Godly. After that, he created the space and earth and so on.
Since the Bible mentions that in the future, the Anti-Christ will appear and control the world. In other words - 666. If that actually happened, will you belive in God? You will miss the Rapture if you did not get saved before it happens and suffer.
I have more things to say, but I think that's enuff.
(Longest post ever made)
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Then he's like we were created by a creator. So i said "Who created the creator? You said you can't make something from nothing."
I know it's hard to imagine it, but I'm trying to say that something has to be right there. For instance, the Big Bang. Where did the planets that "is together" come from?
Another example, you say God has to be made by something, if that were true, the something that made God has to be made from something, thus going on an endless process. I hope you know what I mean.
Darwin DID actually realize that evolution is false right before his death. You will say thats fake information, but how would you know? There is very few or no evidence to support it.
Here is a true story about us before God created the universe.
God made many angels. After a while, Luicifer, the angel of music, thought that he is more powerful than God. So he rebelled against Him, and 1/3 of God's angels rebelled too. Thus, Luicifer became ugly and changed his name to Satan. The angels become demons and helped him to steal as much humans possible. He invented evolution, Big Bang, and many other things. Remeber that he is god of music, he created Rock, Rap, Hip-Hop, or any other music that is not Godly. After that, he created the space and earth and so on.
Since the Bible mentions that in the future, the Anti-Christ will appear and control the world. In other words - 666. If that actually happened, will you belive in God? You will miss the Rapture if you did not get saved before it happens and suffer.
I have more things to say, but I think that's enuff.
(Longest post ever made)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-09-23 at 17:26:49
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Darwin DID actually realize that evolution is false right before his death. You will say thats fake information, but how would you know? There is very few or no evidence to support it.
I wanna see a source!! Proof!!!
ADDITION:
Few, but for religion, there is NO proof.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-09-23 at 17:26:56
Here is my best guess of death. You know when you sleep for 6 hours, but you only remember about 2 of them? Those 4 other hours, is what death is like. Anyone can have their opinions and theories on it, but we're gonna get no where on this topic at all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-09-23 at 17:29:33
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God made many angels. After a while, Luicifer, the angel of music, thought that he is more powerful than God. So he rebelled against Him, and 1/3 of God's angels rebelled too. Thus, Luicifer became ugly and changed his name to Satan. The angels become demons and helped him to steal as much humans possible. He invented evolution, Big Bang, and many other things. Remeber that he is god of music, he created Rock, Rap, Hip-Hop, or any other music that is not Godly. After that, he created the space and earth and so on.
This is hilarious. This is fricking hilarious. You are stating your opinions atraightfoward without any evidence.
You are saying:
A) Rock, rap, hip-hop suck, with no evidence Satan made them
B) Satan created science? God, I think I'll becom a Satanist now...
C) The Bible is truth. There is no evidence to say the Bible isn't the Harry Potter of 2 BC
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-09-23 at 17:44:56
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Darwin DID actually realize that evolution is false right before his death. You will say thats fake information, but how would you know? There is very few or no evidence to support it.
So if Einstein said E does not equal mc^2... then, by your logic, E cannot equal mc^2!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-09-23 at 17:46:18
Yeah, Einstein was under Satan's control.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-09-23 at 17:50:15
Einstein was one of those jews who fleed from Europe.