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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-10-31 at 16:58:09
Burdon of Proof.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-10-31 at 18:01:18
The proof is right in front of you, American soil has not been attacked since 9/11.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-10-31 at 18:13:35
Eh.. except you have to prove that this is Bush's doing and not the terrorists simply ignoring us for no reason.

(I learned that in Debate biggrin.gif because topic this year is about civil liberties and stuff tongue.gif)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-10-31 at 20:09:05
terrorists ignoring us for no reason? That my friend is about as true as me saying the sky is green and elephants can fly......
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Aikanaro on 2005-10-31 at 21:03:44
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Oct 31 2005, 08:09 PM)
terrorists ignoring us for no reason? That my friend is about as true as me saying the sky is green and elephants can fly......
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Which in this case, Thinking Bush Somehow(???) Protected the u.s from terrorists, is about as true as Sky being green and elephants can fly too, Har har.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-10-31 at 23:12:01
ok supply proof other then 9/11 that Bush hasn't protected American soil from terrorists.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-10-31 at 23:23:24
You guys act like Kerry or Gore would have done any better.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-11-01 at 00:59:16
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Oct 31 2005, 03:01 PM)
The proof is right in front of you, American soil has not been attacked since 9/11.
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And Bush has personally done things to stop this? The terrorists attacked us once, and any president with even a tenth of Bush's miniscule brains would have upped security. The terrorists will wait a while. If you honestly feel threatened by terrorists right now, you're stupid. Every time you walk out the door, you're more likely to be the victim of a car accident than a terrorist attack.

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You guys act like Kerry or Gore would have done any better.


They certainly wouldn't have done worse. And they would have done better with Katrina, since all the L.A. National Guard's high water vehicles wouldn't be in Iraq.


The Homeland Security Department failed. They spend their time infiltrating groups of grandmothers baking cookies in Fresno and can't do squat about danger moving at 13 mph that's been looming for a week.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-11-01 at 10:12:41
Hey, I'm no Bush fan, but at the same time, I don't like Kerry and Gore for being democrats.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-11-01 at 18:45:04
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Oct 31 2005, 09:12 PM)
ok supply proof other then 9/11 that Bush hasn't protected American soil from terrorists.
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Can you prove to us?

So quit making claims until you can back them up.

The Burdon of Proof is STILL, on you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tmac on 2005-11-01 at 19:26:35
In my opinion terrorists don't attack the U.S. everyday even if they obviously can (at this point) is because if they do the security will be greatly increased thus preventing large attacks. They probabaly like large attacks that will be remembered for decades.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mayhem on 2005-11-01 at 19:51:16
Ya terrorist havent gotten us much but when they do it is pretty bad
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-01 at 21:56:36
I would just like to take a look at our national debt, and the rate it's going up.
I would like to point out this is real and semi-current. It's actually two hours or so behind the real deal.

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by -thE_eFFect- on 2005-11-01 at 22:21:05
Bush today invested 6.1 billion dollars for the bird flu. Do you think this was an appropriate measure for America's health?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-11-01 at 22:27:27
That is less than .1% of 8 trillion dollars (00.07625% to be exact). Or shall I check my math again?

I'm not going to blame all of the debt on Bush, but I can easily see him generating at least 80% of it.

(This post was made to make you think that simply because this looks like a large number (6 billion), it still has very little impact)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-11-01 at 23:02:28
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Nov 1 2005, 03:45 PM)
Can you prove to us?

So quit making claims until you can back them up.

The Burdon of Proof is STILL, on you.
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No, you prove me wrong, prove to me theres been a terrorist attack on American Soil since 9/11. Oh and just to tell you it took Al Quada about 5 years to plan and carry out 9/11, its just about a 5 years, 4 years and 10 months or so since 9/11, mmmm

I ALWAYS have to supply proof while you sit on your ass eating cheetos, and Im usually right about this topic(terrorism).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-11-02 at 01:54:19
Pardon me S.T.A.R.S. I think we should give Clinton credit for expertly defending our nation against terrorist attacks. There weren't any (major) attacks under him. Credit Bush Sr. with the amazing job he did defending our country. Credit Nixon for doing an amazing job defending our country, hey - we weren't attacked under him were we?

QUOTE(CheeZe @ Nov 1 2005, 07:27 PM)
That is less than .1% of 8 trillion dollars (00.07625% to be exact). Or shall I check my math again?

I'm not going to blame all of the debt on Bush, but I can easily see him generating at least 80% of it.

(This post was made to make you think that simply because this looks like a large number (6 billion), it still has very little impact)
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The debt more than quadrupled under the Bush administration, largely to the gigantic tax cuts it has made.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Aikanaro on 2005-11-02 at 07:56:08
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Nov 1 2005, 11:02 PM)
No, you prove me wrong, prove to me theres been a terrorist attack on American Soil since 9/11.  Oh and just to tell you it took Al Quada about 5 years to plan and carry out 9/11, its just about a 5 years, 4 years and 10 months or so since 9/11, mmmm

I ALWAYS have to supply proof while you sit on your ass eating cheetos, and Im usually right about this topic(terrorism).
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ONE DAY, I hope the Truth spills out that IT WAS THE WHITE HOUSE ADMINISTRATION that carried that out. I Feel like banging something every time you mention that Chris. IMO, Bush Made a Terrorist attack himself. mad.gif

Edit: I mean Cmon, Theres So many INCONSISTENCIES that Can only be resolved by an Easy and quite obvious answer, Demolition. I mean, The Bomb was even detected by Seismic Vibrations. You don't even need any other Info to Proove it was Demolition that got it down. Seismic Vibrations were Equivalent to one of a Bomb, Bush has ignored all such claims.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-11-02 at 11:48:16
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Nov 1 2005, 09:02 PM)
No, you prove me wrong, prove to me theres been a terrorist attack on American Soil since 9/11.  Oh and just to tell you it took Al Quada about 5 years to plan and carry out 9/11, its just about a 5 years, 4 years and 10 months or so since 9/11, mmmm

I ALWAYS have to supply proof while you sit on your ass eating cheetos, and Im usually right about this topic(terrorism).
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Lol. I find your lack of debate tactics, disturbing happy.gif

Your proof is your words. Show some plausible evidence and maybe we will believe you.

I'm going to say something dumb, so here it goes:

Who said anything about just terrorist attacks? How well did he protect the USA from Katrina? tongue.gif

There. There goes my stupid whatever it was, lol.

My point is: Look at his response to 9/11. He hid from everyone -_- And take a look at his response to the hurricane. He didn't know for 3 days -_-
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-11-03 at 00:04:45
QUOTE(Aikanaro @ Nov 2 2005, 04:56 AM)
ONE DAY, I hope the Truth spills out that IT WAS THE WHITE HOUSE ADMINISTRATION that carried that out. I Feel like banging something every time you mention that Chris. IMO, Bush Made a Terrorist attack himself.  mad.gif

Edit: I mean Cmon, Theres So many INCONSISTENCIES that Can only be resolved by an Easy and quite obvious answer, Demolition. I mean, The Bomb was even detected by Seismic Vibrations. You don't even need any other Info to Proove it was Demolition that got it down. Seismic Vibrations were Equivalent to one of a Bomb, Bush has ignored all such claims.
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Honestly, when Rupublican hotshots are being endighted left and right you have to wonder maybe there's some corruption going on...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-11-04 at 00:59:11
all other presidents terrorism grew while they lead our country justfully, Clinton had the first world trade center bombings that yea, you geussed it, were on Amercian soil.

Oh and about Kitrina, in the constitution - Article 10, our national government had no right to come in and help with Kitrina if the state did not request for help. States are constitutionally suppose to protect and serve themselfs, this way our government cannot be too tyrannical, they didn't want to have another tyrannical government in power like before (Britian).

Our government totally knew Kitrina hit, Bush totally knew, it did not take him 3 days to figure it out, that is a flat out lie. States must request for assistance in which then the state's national gaurd becomes federalized, and so on and so on. Don't biznatch to Bush, Bush is an idiot for going to Iraq and causing ALOT of debt, but this one takes the cake, Yell at the govener, oh ya and the major of new orleans, they are the ones who messed up, school buses any one?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Do-0dan on 2005-11-04 at 01:07:49
im sure there's an exception to helping out a state in need when a disaster strikes, without getting a request of assistance. I would hate this country if we didnt help out people in need just because of some rule
if bush didnt go to iraq and fight those terrorists, then they would be free to strike again

i dont think bush should be president because of his looks...he just doesnt look like presidential material. If you look at a list of American presidents from George Washington to Bill Clinton, you see professionals...but then you see Bush, and you're like "wtf?"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-11-04 at 01:14:21
You see a simple texan hombre.

Well, still theres always the chance the government can abuse it's powers and call one thing a disaster while the state doesn't and then state and federal forces get mixed up and everything becomes confusing.

Plus it would be unconstitutional if the federal government just barged in. And we don't want anything to be unconstitutional now do we? wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Do-0dan on 2005-11-04 at 01:18:02
yea but....almost all of the city got flooded
if that happens, i say screw the constitution and get in there and help them dammit!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-11-04 at 01:21:57
Well if your back yard got flooded by what ever, lets just say rain, and you think you can handle it your self, how would you like it if 49 of your neibhors just barged right in and started grabbing things and every one is shouting. yea just a little confusing eh?

I this situation is not all like "Oh I would love their help" Im talking annoying, loud, disrespectful neibhors who aren't really helping you. And thats pretty much the government.
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