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How come no1 seems to attempt to talk to LW to stop osmap by closing the website? If you really want to stop osmap i suggest talking to LW instead of just putting post about how bad osmap is
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Now, what can OSMAP accomplish?

- Fix maps by removing overlap

- Collaborate maps, make them better, each person adds their own unique spin

- Enhance the map making community, increase usage of other peoples terrains and ideas

- Enhance the speed at which maps are created

- More maps

- Less bored people

- Better Starcraft (with more people)
What are the CONS?

- People might steal ur map [SOLUTION: Provide a link to SEN so everyone can see u made it, also this strengthens the SEN community. In the event ur map is stolen, who the hell cares? Ur map is being circulated, be happy, ur hours of work paid off]

- People might rig ur map [SOLUTION: Provide a link to SEN where people can download the official version. Read above]
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Pulling things out of your arse. Name one piece of information that he did not already use to make OSMAP better. All he did was undo his current Uberation code. HE CREATED THAT CODE. He does not need people with the mentality of 3 year olds telling him how to make an uprotector. Case closed. We've already finished with that argument. The Question now is the reason for demotion. Which was entirely uncalled for as MA has clearly explained. Using MA's logic, if I drank alcohol in Germany where the age is 16. Then came back to the states, where the age is 21, should I be arrested for underage drinking?
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Although I don't approve of his actions, Legacy is entitled to do what he wants.  His decision may undermine efforts of mapers, but it is his choice.  His intentions, open sourced as they are, will always be double edged.  He presents a program that can unprotect.  He cannot control who uses it.  Some will use it for his intention, other will undoubtedly rig maps. 

The wisest course of action would be to quit arguing about protection.  This argument has been had multiple times since OSMAP was released.  It stand to logic that neither side can pursuade the other.  Each has valid points, and each has failings.  Each of those presenting sides of the debate cannot be the final influence on who chooses to use OSMAP. 

By continually arguing both sides, the community becomes too polarized and less effective.  Although we are all entitled to opinions, wisdom should be used in expressing them.  Notice I have not said how I feel about OSMAP, yet my tone reveals my thoughts on the matter.  I do not intend to evoke any response, because that would further against my wishes.  Nor do I want anyone to change their stance because of my words. 

A small last note and reminder - the administration of SEN is the finality when it comes to these matters.  Arguing that Moose should have done differently is pointless.  His actions, explained by himself, are his to make.  If one considers his options and what Legacy had done ON SEN, then what and why he did becomes much clearer.
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You dont know what the freak you are talking about.  He put a sticky (with Mindy) that said to report all methods to only them.  So, as soon as a new map protection came, it imeadiately was fixxed.  Also, he didnt just 'undo' his code from before.  Ube uses a single method.  Os undoes all methods.
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All the OSMAP "good" uses are just excuses for stealing maps. Period.

OSMAP is good. Sharing is good. If you download MP3s or ISOs and you don't support OSMAP, you're a hypocrite. LegacyWeapon is a god, and I will probably be banned for thinking and speaking of such radical things.

Well DEAD seems to think that the only reason that people would use OSMAP is for bad intentions and we are trying to prove the point that he's wrong.
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It's really funny to look at WHO is for and against this program. Everyone who says it is a good idea has never made a map and doesn't even play on Battle.net. Everyone who is against it actually plays on Battle.net and 100% of the real map makers here are against it.

Koltz, for example, has no clue what he is talking about. I find it hard to believe he has ever even played StarCraft.

Legacy's intention was to force open source maps upon everyone. While it is easy to make an argument defending this action, the resemblance to Anakin Skywalker of Star Wars is uncanny. He commits evil acts to save what he loves. Certain people have a conscience and thus have a harder time commiting an act of horrible evil even if it is for the greater good.
I don't think people are going to know you're being sarcastic.
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My map is going to get stolen!
That is inevitable. There have always been map thieves and there always will be. Protection may be a deterrent to theft but is it really worth hiding all your knowledge contained within a map to get some fame with those Battle.net "pubbies". Of course not! As long as SEN exists, people will be known for the great maps they make.

There will be billions of versions of my map!
Yes there will. But does downloading take that long? Not with the newest, faster connections of today. If someone makes a revision on your map that makes people like it more and play it more, is that not to your benefit?
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It's really funny to look at WHO is for and against this program. Everyone who says it is a good idea has never made a map and doesn't even play on Battle.net. Everyone who is against it actually plays on Battle.net and 100% of the real map makers here are against it.

Koltz, for example, has no clue what he is talking about. I find it hard to believe he has ever even played StarCraft.

Legacy's intention was to force open source maps upon everyone. While it is easy to make an argument defending this action, the resemblance to Anakin Skywalker of Star Wars is uncanny. He commits evil acts to save what he loves. Certain people have a conscience and thus have a harder time commiting an act of horrible evil even if it is for the greater good.


I don't think people are going to know you're being sarcastic.
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Although I don't approve of his actions, Legacy is entitled to do what he wants.  His decision may undermine efforts of mapers, but it is his choice.  His intentions, open sourced as they are, will always be double edged.  He presents a program that can unprotect.  He cannot control who uses it.  Some will use it for his intention, other will undoubtedly rig maps. 

The wisest course of action would be to quit arguing about protection.  This argument has been had multiple times since OSMAP was released.  It stand to logic that neither side can pursuade the other.  Each has valid points, and each has failings.  Each of those presenting sides of the debate cannot be the final influence on who chooses to use OSMAP. 

By continually arguing both sides, the community becomes too polarized and less effective.  Although we are all entitled to opinions, wisdom should be used in expressing them.  Notice I have not said how I feel about OSMAP, yet my tone reveals my thoughts on the matter.  I do not intend to evoke any response, because that would further against my wishes.  Nor do I want anyone to change their stance because of my words. 

A small last note and reminder - the administration of SEN is the finality when it comes to these matters.  Arguing that Moose should have done differently is pointless.  His actions, explained by himself, are his to make.  If one considers his options and what Legacy had done ON SEN, then what and why he did becomes much clearer.
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How do you know I'm being sarcastic in that post? I already had my fun spamming the other thread with stupid things like a "protection religion", but I'm completely serious when I say OSMAP is good. We should all embrace OSMAP because if anyone tries to circumvent it, Legacy will probably just release a new version that will stop all pathetic attempts at protecting maps. Complaining about it will get this community nowhere, just accept the fact that people will ruin your maps and keep making them anyway.

Look, Tuxedo Templar, in his post when he made Rush, taught people an important lesson: Don't make your map so people will respect you, make it to entertain them. You're not some figure of authority or something to be respected because you've made a map. UMS map makers, in the grand scheme of things, are about on par with a circus freak or court jester in terms of respect on battle.net. If you go into a channel full of pubs, are the peasents (keeping with the medieval theme) going to bow down to you because you've made a UMS map? Hell no, people mostly play melee, they don't care about this community whatsoever. So don't make your maps for the pubs. Ignore them. They don't care about you, just your maps (and even then, they don't care because they only want to play micro maps/strip the girl maps/stupid stuff like that).

Okay, so why are you making your maps then? For respect here? Go ahead, just make them, post them here and get respect from other mappers. You don't need to protect your maps from people at SEN, they're not out to steal your credit and they can't if you post a thread.

My point is, who are you trying to protect your map from? Some insignificant pubbies? Ignore them, they're stupid. However, a group you should allow access to your maps is the potential mapper. How do you think this community grew? By hiding techniques and not allowing access to the source of your map? No. It grew from noobs that looked at some triggers and said to themselves, "hey, it's not so hard, I can do it too" and they met others that could and created a community like this.

Some would argue, "but exobyte, the potential mapper can just DL trigger viewer or whatever". True, but who is that utility really made for? I'll give you a hint: you have to be HERE, at SEN to get it. A potential mapper on battle.net doesn't know ANYTHING about this website and the only way they can learn about it is through advertisement which, as far as I know, SEN doesn't do. So the only realistic way to reach out to them is to allow them to see your map's triggers. It's how I learned to map (although I haven't made a serious map, ever) and how many of you did too, and not allowing others to learn this way will only discourage the growth of mapping and will make this community suffer for it.

As you may have noticed, I haven't talked about OSMAP at all in the body of this text because I don't think it is really the problem. The problem is closed-source mapping, and OSMAP is the solution. Don't contain your source, share it. If you don't, LegacyWeapon will do it for you.
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Probably because its useless, he wont listen to anyone o.O
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how do you no LW wont listen? some1 go find me a quote that says LW wont listen.
Everyone is just putting up hate posts...it just seems so childish...its just a game
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Blizzard did nothing to stop the spread of OSMAP. By doing so, they supported the program. StarEdit has no function to protect maps.
Protected maps are broken maps. Maps are supposed to be able to be opened with both StarEdit and StarCraft. StarEdit also makes some mistakes that OSMAP fixes (unowned blank triggers).
I have none. I had no intention of protecting maps again.
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And because you use it for a decent purpose means that everyone will! Ooh, I'm liberal! That means everyone is! Me me me! tongue.gif

Common sense dictates that it will be used for bad.

There is a difference between supporting open source maps, and forcing everyone else to as well.

The bottom line is this:

If you think protection is bad, don't use it. Don't force others to do the same.

Does this apply to unprotection as well?
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