Report, edit, etc...Posted by kirby_star on 2005-05-12 at 00:26:38
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ May 1 2005, 07:22 PM)
I see many topics straying off their topic due to quite possibly the ultimate topic, which of course is...
DOES GOD EXIST?
I will start it all off by simply saying...
no.
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DOES GOD EXIST?
I will start it all off by simply saying...
no.
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This would sorta be insulting religious people...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-05-12 at 00:36:13
Well here's my thought
Religion was proven to be true; the only problem is that it just happened like 2000 years ago, before all the books of the bible were compiled into one.
And these people that witnessed it... What do you think were their only ways of recording these? They had no cameras, they had no video recorders. All they had were pens and papers. So writing books were the only ways these people could record such things. And from what i've seen before, some people seem to act as though they should've used other things like cameras to show that God exists rather than writing those books.
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Just by that statement it wouldn't.
Religion was proven to be true; the only problem is that it just happened like 2000 years ago, before all the books of the bible were compiled into one.
And these people that witnessed it... What do you think were their only ways of recording these? They had no cameras, they had no video recorders. All they had were pens and papers. So writing books were the only ways these people could record such things. And from what i've seen before, some people seem to act as though they should've used other things like cameras to show that God exists rather than writing those books.
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This would sorta be insulting religious people... ranting.gif
Just by that statement it wouldn't.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2005-05-12 at 03:24:09
But as it has been said before, how do you know the book wasn't fabricated to control people?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-05-12 at 08:02:00
He doesn't. He has 100% faith in the bible was real accounts from real people doing real things.
Likewise, I believe in unicorns, pink fairies, goblins, because I have 100% faith that they exist. (And therefore, they exist)
Likewise, I believe in unicorns, pink fairies, goblins, because I have 100% faith that they exist. (And therefore, they exist)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-05-12 at 11:55:01
You can actually argue philosophically that something that one perceives to exist must therefore exist, without a shadow of a doubt.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-05-12 at 15:39:02
Yea that's what I thought sometime ago. If you can imagine something in your mind, what makes it not exist?
For us to create something that does not exist in our minds, wouldn't that be considered god-like?
For us to create something that does not exist in our minds, wouldn't that be considered god-like?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-05-12 at 15:58:56
QUOTE(devilesk @ May 11 2005, 05:14 PM)
Umm, your example with orange juice can be prove wrong/right. Through extensive tests and such, it CAN be because it's something we have easily available to us to study. Something like God cannot be observed or tested.
Also, the part about right now we can't prove he exists and your opinion isn't wrong is basically saying that everyone's opinion is valid whether they are religious or not. It's just that some people thing that they other views are inferior and such when theres no proof. If there isn't a straight answer then people do have opinions about it and no one is wrong. Duh
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Also, the part about right now we can't prove he exists and your opinion isn't wrong is basically saying that everyone's opinion is valid whether they are religious or not. It's just that some people thing that they other views are inferior and such when theres no proof. If there isn't a straight answer then people do have opinions about it and no one is wrong. Duh
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How do you placebo orange juice though? A lot of diseases are psychological.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-05-12 at 18:41:13
You don't need to placebo it... a simple test could be, for cancer patients, gather a large number of them, put half on a orange juice diet and the other half on some other drink.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-05-12 at 19:41:28
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ May 11 2005, 11:36 PM)
Well here's my thought
Religion was proven to be true; the only problem is that it just happened like 2000 years ago, before all the books of the bible were compiled into one.
And these people that witnessed it... What do you think were their only ways of recording these? They had no cameras, they had no video recorders. All they had were pens and papers. So writing books were the only ways these people could record such things. And from what i've seen before, some people seem to act as though they should've used other things like cameras to show that God exists rather than writing those books.
ADDITION:
Just by that statement it wouldn't.
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Religion was proven to be true; the only problem is that it just happened like 2000 years ago, before all the books of the bible were compiled into one.
And these people that witnessed it... What do you think were their only ways of recording these? They had no cameras, they had no video recorders. All they had were pens and papers. So writing books were the only ways these people could record such things. And from what i've seen before, some people seem to act as though they should've used other things like cameras to show that God exists rather than writing those books.
ADDITION:
Just by that statement it wouldn't.
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Well, if it was proven once, then it surely can be proven again.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-05-12 at 19:57:00
Off of maddox's site, which I found through the PETA thread
Rofl that is ownage and completely fits this topic. It is also sadly very true, I say we give all this religion crap a rest
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Why don't you do a page about religion? How about those stupid Pagans / Christians / Buddhists / Atheists / Mormons / Hindus / Muslims / Jews, do you think they're stupid?
No, give it a rest already. I'm not about to change anyone's fundamental beliefs with a two paragraph blurb on my web site. Believe what you want to and shut the hell up about it. The whole anti-religion, anti-atheism, anti-whatever theme is tired; GET A NEW CAUSE. If you want a good old fashioned pointless debate about religion, look for it somewhere else. I'm sure you'll find many self-proclaimed "enlightened" 14 year olds who have it all figured out and are more than happy to tell you their bullshit philosophy about religion and why your beliefs are wrong.
No, give it a rest already. I'm not about to change anyone's fundamental beliefs with a two paragraph blurb on my web site. Believe what you want to and shut the hell up about it. The whole anti-religion, anti-atheism, anti-whatever theme is tired; GET A NEW CAUSE. If you want a good old fashioned pointless debate about religion, look for it somewhere else. I'm sure you'll find many self-proclaimed "enlightened" 14 year olds who have it all figured out and are more than happy to tell you their bullshit philosophy about religion and why your beliefs are wrong.
Rofl that is ownage and completely fits this topic. It is also sadly very true, I say we give all this religion crap a rest
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-05-12 at 20:02:33
I know, I read that about 2 1/2 years ago. Ya, it kinda is true. (I think he stands that way cause he personally got tired of arguing about it, and the last thing he wants to do is have fundamentalists sending him bullshit spam e-mails)
If we let this topic stay here, and stagnate, it's never going to be resolved, or even get close to being resolved. If you think it's such a waste of time, I mean...why do you post so much about it in this thread? You've only had to say it once or twice.
If we let this topic stay here, and stagnate, it's never going to be resolved, or even get close to being resolved. If you think it's such a waste of time, I mean...why do you post so much about it in this thread? You've only had to say it once or twice.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-05-12 at 20:11:22
Because I enjoy this arguing 
Especially when it ends with no one getting anywhere.
Especially when it ends with no one getting anywhere.Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-05-12 at 20:13:57
True honesty. I love that. (Between you and me, I'm the same way on this topic. But I also know I can learn a lot from this topic by arguing about it)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Moogle on 2005-05-12 at 20:43:24
Question, You ask if " God " exist within this plain. But how do we know if he/she is real? Just because we hear about him within bible doesnt really mean he exist, just like jesus. Just because it was said he was alive way back and did stuff doesnt mean its true. All stories and sometimes stories just non-fiction/fiction, which in this case could be true. We have look outside box of God existing and think for yourself use your own opinions not what bible said or someone else. I also believe if you think god exist you have strong faith in your beliefs.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-05-12 at 20:45:10
You can believe he doesn't exist and have strong faith in your beliefs, which is that he doesn't exist. I think some people in that atheist topic argued that it takes more faith or whatever to be an atheist.
BTW
Could this be applied to some of the people in these serious discussion forum http://maddox.xmission.com/pseudo.html
BTW
Could this be applied to some of the people in these serious discussion forum
http://maddox.xmission.com/pseudo.htmlReport, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-05-14 at 18:19:28
Im not going to say that god does not exist, but this is just my opinion...i think that god is like the representation of hope or a higher power to look for. when i think about it, i just think that whenever someone is brutally slaughtered, murdered with for no reason, why didn't god do something to stop it? i mean, i know that half of the people in the entire world who die, die without purpose, why doesn't god prevent any of that? what about the bible...the bible is consisted of made up stories that could never have existed...whatever on that subject...i think that god is a superfitial thing...possibly a figment of the imagination to keep people in their right mind...when people are in a time of dispair they say "help me god" as if to prevent them from going insane. im not saying that god isn't real, im just saying, what IF god is not real. i have complete faith in god and jesus and all, but i just dont believe what people make god out to be now a days....i dont know, maybe im wrong about all of this but yeah.
-------------------------------Where there is a will, there is a way--------------------------- that is a saying. as long as people dont give up hope that they can do things, there will always be a god.
these are some quotes that like...promote the dark...and when the dark prevails...where is god to make sure that the darkness stops...
The dark is generous. Its first gift is concealment: our true faces lie in the dark beneath our skins, our true hearts remain shadowed deeper still. But the greatest concealment lies not in protecting our secret truths, but in hiding from us the truths of others. The dark protects us from what we dare not know.
Its second gift is comforting illusions: the ease of gentle dreams in night's embrace, the beauty that imagination brings to what would repel in day's harsh light. But the greatest of its comforts is the illusion that the dark is temporary: that every night brings a new day. Because it is day that is temporary. Day is the illusion.
Its third gift is the light itself: as days are defined by the nights that divide them, as stars are defined by the infinite black through which they wheel, the dark embraces the light, and brings it forth from the center of its own self.
--With each victory of the light, it is the dark that wins.--
The dark is generous, and it is patient, It is the dark that seeds cruelty into justice, that drips contempt into compassion, that poisons love with grains of doubt.
The dark can be patient, becuase the slightest drop of rain will cause those seeds to sprout.
The rain will come, and the seeds will sprout, for the dark is the soil in which they grow, and it is the clouds above them, and it waits behind the star that gives them light.
--The dark's patience is infinite.--
You killed her because, finally, when you could have saved her, when you could have gone away with her, when you could have been thinking about her, you were thinking about yourself ...It is in this blazing moment that you finally understand the trap of the dark side, the final cruelty of the sith -- because now your self is all that you will ever have.
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.
Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us.
Your playing small doesn't serve the world.
There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.
We were all meant to shine as children do
it is not in some of us: it's in everyone.
And when we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.
As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.
The dark is generous, and it is patient, and it always wins. It always wins because it is everwhere. It is in the wood that burns in your hearth, and in the kettle on the fire; it is under your chair and under your table and under the sheets on your bed. Walk in the midday sun and the dark is with you, attached to the soles of your feet.
--The brightest light casts the darkest shadow.--
thank you for reading guys
-------------------------------Where there is a will, there is a way--------------------------- that is a saying. as long as people dont give up hope that they can do things, there will always be a god.
these are some quotes that like...promote the dark...and when the dark prevails...where is god to make sure that the darkness stops...
The dark is generous. Its first gift is concealment: our true faces lie in the dark beneath our skins, our true hearts remain shadowed deeper still. But the greatest concealment lies not in protecting our secret truths, but in hiding from us the truths of others. The dark protects us from what we dare not know.
Its second gift is comforting illusions: the ease of gentle dreams in night's embrace, the beauty that imagination brings to what would repel in day's harsh light. But the greatest of its comforts is the illusion that the dark is temporary: that every night brings a new day. Because it is day that is temporary. Day is the illusion.
Its third gift is the light itself: as days are defined by the nights that divide them, as stars are defined by the infinite black through which they wheel, the dark embraces the light, and brings it forth from the center of its own self.
--With each victory of the light, it is the dark that wins.--
The dark is generous, and it is patient, It is the dark that seeds cruelty into justice, that drips contempt into compassion, that poisons love with grains of doubt.
The dark can be patient, becuase the slightest drop of rain will cause those seeds to sprout.
The rain will come, and the seeds will sprout, for the dark is the soil in which they grow, and it is the clouds above them, and it waits behind the star that gives them light.
--The dark's patience is infinite.--
You killed her because, finally, when you could have saved her, when you could have gone away with her, when you could have been thinking about her, you were thinking about yourself ...It is in this blazing moment that you finally understand the trap of the dark side, the final cruelty of the sith -- because now your self is all that you will ever have.
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.
Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us.
Your playing small doesn't serve the world.
There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.
We were all meant to shine as children do
it is not in some of us: it's in everyone.
And when we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.
As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.
The dark is generous, and it is patient, and it always wins. It always wins because it is everwhere. It is in the wood that burns in your hearth, and in the kettle on the fire; it is under your chair and under your table and under the sheets on your bed. Walk in the midday sun and the dark is with you, attached to the soles of your feet.
--The brightest light casts the darkest shadow.--
thank you for reading guys
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-05-16 at 16:49:59
Ya, your right on the whole people are always going to need a God. (Unless people some how find an alternative hundreds/thousands/millions/billions/trillions of years from now) But I don't need a God, and I don't think God needs me. If god exists, he won't send me to some place just because I don't believe in him. And if he doesn't, he's a 
ing asshole, and should burn in his own hell and see how it feels.
"Oh but he created us! you must respect him!"
According to free will, your PARENTS created you. (Or at LEAST gave you the body to live in) And some times parents don't deserve respect at all.
Don't be loving god JUST because he created you. That's down right stupid. And it's not like he comes down and saves the world, and creates pure utopia. So don't go off telling me on how much of a great person he is. (With great power comes great responsibilty, and god has a shit load of power) I will never bow down to god because he's helped us all out. I would rather go over to a person feeding the poor, and helping abused children, for little or no money at all. That is some one I would bow down to out of pure honest respect. Considering the very very small amount of power they have, they can still help people. Isn't God like...infinite? Why don't he create the perfect world? Or at least try to get us closer to it? And why does he send people to a place where they will endure pain beyond what you can find here, 24 hours a day 7 days a week, FOREVER. Only because you didn't believe in him, instead you believed in people, and you were trying to feed them and help other people out. If you ask me, I don't like God or Satan. (Don't get me wrong, Satan sucks a lot more than God. And I do mean a LOT more)
ing asshole, and should burn in his own hell and see how it feels."Oh but he created us! you must respect him!"
According to free will, your PARENTS created you. (Or at LEAST gave you the body to live in) And some times parents don't deserve respect at all.
Don't be loving god JUST because he created you. That's down right stupid. And it's not like he comes down and saves the world, and creates pure utopia. So don't go off telling me on how much of a great person he is. (With great power comes great responsibilty, and god has a shit load of power) I will never bow down to god because he's helped us all out. I would rather go over to a person feeding the poor, and helping abused children, for little or no money at all. That is some one I would bow down to out of pure honest respect. Considering the very very small amount of power they have, they can still help people. Isn't God like...infinite? Why don't he create the perfect world? Or at least try to get us closer to it? And why does he send people to a place where they will endure pain beyond what you can find here, 24 hours a day 7 days a week, FOREVER. Only because you didn't believe in him, instead you believed in people, and you were trying to feed them and help other people out. If you ask me, I don't like God or Satan. (Don't get me wrong, Satan sucks a lot more than God. And I do mean a LOT more)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tdnfthe1 on 2005-05-17 at 23:44:18
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ May 16 2005, 02:49 PM)
Ya, your right on the whole people are always going to need a God. (Unless people some how find an alternative hundreds/thousands/millions/billions/trillions of years from now) But I don't need a God, and I don't think God needs me. If god exists, he won't send me to some place just because I don't believe in him. And if he doesn't, he's a ing asshole, and should burn in his own hell and see how it feels.
"Oh but he created us! you must respect him!"
According to free will, your PARENTS created you. (Or at LEAST gave you the body to live in) And some times parents don't deserve respect at all.
Don't be loving god JUST because he created you. That's down right stupid. And it's not like he comes down and saves the world, and creates pure utopia. So don't go off telling me on how much of a great person he is. (With great power comes great responsibilty, and god has a shit load of power) I will never bow down to god because he's helped us all out. I would rather go over to a person feeding the poor, and helping abused children, for little or no money at all. That is some one I would bow down to out of pure honest respect. Considering the very very small amount of power they have, they can still help people. Isn't God like...infinite? Why don't he create the perfect world? Or at least try to get us closer to it? And why does he send people to a place where they will endure pain beyond what you can find here, 24 hours a day 7 days a week, FOREVER. Only because you didn't believe in him, instead you believed in people, and you were trying to feed them and help other people out. If you ask me, I don't like God or Satan. (Don't get me wrong, Satan sucks a lot more than God. And I do mean a LOT more)
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ing asshole, and should burn in his own hell and see how it feels."Oh but he created us! you must respect him!"
According to free will, your PARENTS created you. (Or at LEAST gave you the body to live in) And some times parents don't deserve respect at all.
Don't be loving god JUST because he created you. That's down right stupid. And it's not like he comes down and saves the world, and creates pure utopia. So don't go off telling me on how much of a great person he is. (With great power comes great responsibilty, and god has a shit load of power) I will never bow down to god because he's helped us all out. I would rather go over to a person feeding the poor, and helping abused children, for little or no money at all. That is some one I would bow down to out of pure honest respect. Considering the very very small amount of power they have, they can still help people. Isn't God like...infinite? Why don't he create the perfect world? Or at least try to get us closer to it? And why does he send people to a place where they will endure pain beyond what you can find here, 24 hours a day 7 days a week, FOREVER. Only because you didn't believe in him, instead you believed in people, and you were trying to feed them and help other people out. If you ask me, I don't like God or Satan. (Don't get me wrong, Satan sucks a lot more than God. And I do mean a LOT more)
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Why doesn't he make the world perfect? Well all we know about "God's life" is that he created us and watched over us(according to bibles). For all we know god could be a lil kid playing a video game in an alternate coexistance kinda way, something beyond our comprehension, or he could be some almighty spirit. It reall doesn't matter, what god does in his spare time? I don't care or know, the important thing is that god(if he exists) gave instructions for Humans as individuals so that we can live forever. Basically i'm just saying knowing why god doesn't do this or that isn't something we need to worry about, we have enough problems on our world to deal with before spending ages trying to figure out who/what is our god.
Don't view god as some actual person or something either. The Bible may say that "God put us in his own spitting image" but the bible also says,"Know that when god made us in his image, he did not mean by structure but by standard". So god could be a planet, an entity, or something out of our comprehension. We don't know what he looks like(or it) but all we need to know is what was asked of us, not try and point out every misconception.
Now that last paragraph was for the Believers, or ones with faith. Now to point out what alpha(mc) is saying... Why is god testing us if he knows we will succeed or fail? why can't he just help us out and give us what we want now? Good point, i don't wanna wait in this world with all these sinful things, and things of pain and sorrow, i want blissful everlasting life now! WEll, you don't believe in an actual god as spoken of in many Human texts that are worshipped, so your opinions make much sense to me. There is nothing wrong with expecting someone from god since there is so much halabalu about it. But now i'm just rambling like this because i want to ask something, that relates alot to what happened with slavery, but anyway! After you prove to the world, or prove your point to people that god doesn't exist, that the churches, sinagogs, temples and much more are all bullcrap...what will be the point of it all at the end? I'm just curious about this...Will the world be a much greater place? Will people be that much more sure of themself because they now know there is no way for god to exist? The outcome of no one following god has no real solution... 1 thing I can see is that many people who followed god's laws of righteousness and love, will feel not bound by those consequences, or rewards anymore. And maybe some people that based their whole life on religon, all their friendhsips, marriage, and living styles, they now feel they have led a pointless life and either break down or worse. But hey that's just my thoughts, i wanna hear yours on what you think would happen if everyone proved god doesn't exist? Is there a purpose to this?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-05-17 at 23:55:09
I don't think it really matters whether god exists or not. I think what matters is what god means to everyone. If god gives meaning to your life and you need to believe in a god then go on believing, if god teaches you morals and values then believe in god. Though, if you think life already has meaning without a god then you don't have to believe in a god. I agree with what you said about if someone proved god didn't exist then some people would see no point in life, but I don't think all people would. I think god just gives meaning to life to some people and is a way to explain things that are unexplainable or things we can't comprehend. Such as how the world was created.
I think what's best is for people to believe what they want to believe, but don't go forcing your beliefs on someone else. I don't think it would be best for people to prove or disprove the existence of god because then you would have some people feel that their life is meaningless if there is or isn't a god. God is one way to explain a meaning to life, if you are going to disprove that way of a meaning to life, then provide those people that believed in god another meaning to life.
I think what's best is for people to believe what they want to believe, but don't go forcing your beliefs on someone else. I don't think it would be best for people to prove or disprove the existence of god because then you would have some people feel that their life is meaningless if there is or isn't a god. God is one way to explain a meaning to life, if you are going to disprove that way of a meaning to life, then provide those people that believed in god another meaning to life.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-05-18 at 12:00:23
I definitly belive in GOD and that everything happends for a reason!! I can confidently say that GOD has done things for me that I've asked him for. My mother is a religious person, shes in very good contact with GOD. Now her pay check is held for sometime (due to it being american currency) and she was visiting me for a week. She was flat out broke, simply told the LORD she needed money. Her money was supposed to be held untill the 15th of that month, and it was only the 8th. The next day she checked her banking online and voila, all her money was released long before the date it was supposed to be. Also, one night it was 12:00 a.m. and my father had been gone on a night out. (My mom was still at my house). My dad said he would be home around 10:00 that night. Of course we were worried. An easy 5 minute prayer to GOD asking him to get my dad to phone me was all it took. Almost exactly after saying amen, The phone rang. Low and behold it was my dad. I'll share with you one more. I'm on my way to a baseball game 1 hour away from where I live. My dad and I have no clue where were going, (there was construction being done on the highway therefore the directions were incorrect). My dad began to say, were lost and we're never gonna make it to the game on time. I told him not to worry about it everything will be fine. We park on the side of the road to read the map when...... Look who pulls up ahead of us, My coach. And we follow him all the way to the park.. I must say I have a very strong connection with GOD... If these stories arn't convincing enuough, theres a lot more where that came from.
I am a catholic. I find church to be extremely boring and I never attend it. Who says you need church to be in contact with GOD. I praise him on my own time in my own way. I don't need people telling me how to praise him.
We have around 2000 years of history as catholics, a bible, JESUS who rose from the dead, millions upon millions of human beings who believe in GOD. This should be some amount of proof that can't be passed over.
Every1 can believe in what they want to, I'm a strong beleiver in that, but its just to bad that when you have a bad day or somethign goes wrong for you, you don't have some1 who you can speak with in private, share your thoughts with and who will make it better for you in the end.
EDIT: You can't prove GOD doesn't it exist and some may say you can't prove he does. Its what you feel and choose to believe, its as simple as that.
I am a catholic. I find church to be extremely boring and I never attend it. Who says you need church to be in contact with GOD. I praise him on my own time in my own way. I don't need people telling me how to praise him.
We have around 2000 years of history as catholics, a bible, JESUS who rose from the dead, millions upon millions of human beings who believe in GOD. This should be some amount of proof that can't be passed over.
Every1 can believe in what they want to, I'm a strong beleiver in that, but its just to bad that when you have a bad day or somethign goes wrong for you, you don't have some1 who you can speak with in private, share your thoughts with and who will make it better for you in the end.
EDIT: You can't prove GOD doesn't it exist and some may say you can't prove he does. Its what you feel and choose to believe, its as simple as that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-05-18 at 18:17:02
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I find church to be extremely boring and I never attend it. Who says you need church to be in contact with GOD. I praise him on my own time in my own way. I don't need people telling me how to praise him.
Which reminds me of something that I keep wondering, and am now deciding to ask.
Why is it that when people prayer, they're supposed to have their eyes closed and hands together in that weird position?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-05-18 at 18:38:38
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I can confidently say that GOD has done things for me that I've asked him for. My mother is a religious person, shes in very good contact with GOD. Now her pay check is held for sometime (due to it being american currency) and she was visiting me for a week. She was flat out broke, simply told the LORD she needed money. Her money was supposed to be held untill the 15th of that month, and it was only the 8th. The next day she checked her banking online and voila, all her money was released long before the date it was supposed to be.
Greedy people shouldn't go to heaven.
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Also, one night it was 12:00 a.m. and my father had been gone on a night out. (My mom was still at my house). My dad said he would be home around 10:00 that night. Of course we were worried. An easy 5 minute prayer to GOD asking him to get my dad to phone me was all it took. Almost exactly after saying amen, The phone rang. Low and behold it was my dad.
Sounds like your dad is responsible.
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I'm on my way to a baseball game 1 hour away from where I live. My dad and I have no clue where were going, (there was construction being done on the highway therefore the directions were incorrect). My dad began to say, were lost and we're never gonna make it to the game on time. I told him not to worry about it everything will be fine. We park on the side of the road to read the map when...... Look who pulls up ahead of us, My coach. And we follow him all the way to the park..
Good job, you went on the road you were suppose to and call it a miracle.
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I must say I have a very strong connection with GOD... If these stories arn't convincing enuough, theres a lot more where that came from.
Have and think are very different things.
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We have around 2000 years of history as catholics, a bible, JESUS who rose from the dead, millions upon millions of human beings who believe in GOD. This should be some amount of proof that can't be passed over.
We've said this dozens of times. The bible is not evidence. The number of people who believe in event is not evidence.
A book with no proof, but only stories is nothing. However, I don't want to insult the book because I think it's a great book; full of exciting (but unreal) stories!
Also, millions of people believed the earth was flat. Thus, the earth must be flat.
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I definitly belive in GOD and that everything happends for a reason!!
I beleive everything happens. Just wondering, but does God know what he'll do tommorow?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SoftWarewolf on 2005-05-18 at 19:02:44
i know poeple wont take me seriously. but it have been proven atheists and non-christians are smarter. dont get fooled as easily, and have a larger brainpart in the center that understands reality.
i am not joking around when im saying all religions are big jokes. how can anyone still belive in this stuff?
just sit down and think for a few minutes, god solves nothing. we have many huge questions as to how the universe and life exist. how can the universe have existed forever with no beginning? and how big is it? are my favorites.
but the christian theory of some 'person' creating everything 6000 years ago just dont cut it. its about the stupidest thing i ever heard.
i mean he created everything but what created him? and what created whatever created what created him and so on...
if you belive it, its only becouse so many others belive it, that u think it must be true.
please realize that and think for yourself.
i am not joking around when im saying all religions are big jokes. how can anyone still belive in this stuff?
just sit down and think for a few minutes, god solves nothing. we have many huge questions as to how the universe and life exist. how can the universe have existed forever with no beginning? and how big is it? are my favorites.
but the christian theory of some 'person' creating everything 6000 years ago just dont cut it. its about the stupidest thing i ever heard.
i mean he created everything but what created him? and what created whatever created what created him and so on...
if you belive it, its only becouse so many others belive it, that u think it must be true.
please realize that and think for yourself.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tdnfthe1 on 2005-05-18 at 20:09:16
Meh, I should just stop posting. You got Oo.Hydra.oO who is blindly in love with the idea of god. Cheeze who mocks him and tries to show the irony in his so say, "Connections with god"(by the way, i'm still waiting to see why it is you disapprove the god idea). And you have Software wolf trying to expose some logical facts disapproving the idea of god. Well let's deal with these personality differences 1 at a time.
Hydra, all of those issues are easily considered coinsidence(mispelled), and only people of faith will say something like Amen to that. i want to say more about how your post is a jump ahead into blind devotion to god, but i won't right now, another time. basically you jumped in ahead of yourself, and yes Cheeze is somewhat showing the Irony or mocking your post.
Cheeze, why take out the bits and pieces of his post and expose some sort of negative idea of god? Did you read the posts from awhile back?Cuz seriously i think you're just nitpicking through posts to see what you can pick out and address against the idea of god's existance. Why i say? Why, Why, Why? What is the point of disaproving your devotion or viewpoint of god? There is no real solution that is positive. If you want so bitterly to disprove idealism toward monotheism, then try summarizing an entire post someone made and then prove the neglagence in it, at least that way you proved someone is not in their own standpoint towards god and they're very ignorant or arrogant. I only say this towards you because i have seen many of posts by you and you seem to take a very strong disposition to god. I'm still kinda unsure as to why, but if you don't answer me why, i guess it's ok.
Softwarewolf, Besides all the grammar mistakes... (I'm j/k) there was alot of arrogance in your post. First of all you say athiests are smarter and more opinionotic then people who are not. Well if they're so smart why are 69% of prisoners of the state atheists? 28% are subtile believers(those who believe but don't take action, or seriousness), and the last 3% are those who regularly attend church, hearings, meetings, and other religous gatherings on a regular basis. Also I have yet to meet anyone who is not an atheist be an abuser of drugs, abuser of adultery, or abuser of Human rights. But of course this is just my perspective of what I havn't done, but then again im pretty sure i've met at least over a good 20k people throughout life and remember it... Also you say god created the entire universe 6k years ago? 1)that is supposed to be by the Lunar calendar, and before that we don't know what was used as to keep track of days, so who knows when "the bible you speak of" was actually made. And god is garbage? I see god keeping people out of the streets because their parents believe proper association, with only those who are peaceful and righteous people, and therefor stopping many kids and teen-agers from the wrong paths, though we all hate that . Oh yeah, a good fraction of people believe in god mainly on the basis of how massive the #'s of followers are, they don't do this purposely but it's just a factor of fellowship. However, many of them grow to learn of the religon they have chosen and begin to learn of why things are the way they are. Most don't, but many still do. Anyway software, the main reason your post is arrogant, is because you didn't take knowledge from both sides of the field. You had bits or pieces...They were false....(the ones about christian or cathlic bibles). Also you tried to point out that something had2 come before god, and something before the universe, and vice versa, but we already established in this thread that god, or the universe as we call it, is currently intagible, or not something we can put into a box and define as reality. Science is just theory, except for basis' on earth there are no facts about the way our place of dwelling(universe) was created, or exists. It either is or is not within our comprehension. We don't know. So meh I'm done, if people would've read my post instead this wouldn't be a conversation like this.
On the good Note: It's almost summer yay!
And don't forget MONKEYS RULE!
Hydra, all of those issues are easily considered coinsidence(mispelled), and only people of faith will say something like Amen to that. i want to say more about how your post is a jump ahead into blind devotion to god, but i won't right now, another time. basically you jumped in ahead of yourself, and yes Cheeze is somewhat showing the Irony or mocking your post.
Cheeze, why take out the bits and pieces of his post and expose some sort of negative idea of god? Did you read the posts from awhile back?Cuz seriously i think you're just nitpicking through posts to see what you can pick out and address against the idea of god's existance. Why i say? Why, Why, Why? What is the point of disaproving your devotion or viewpoint of god? There is no real solution that is positive. If you want so bitterly to disprove idealism toward monotheism, then try summarizing an entire post someone made and then prove the neglagence in it, at least that way you proved someone is not in their own standpoint towards god and they're very ignorant or arrogant. I only say this towards you because i have seen many of posts by you and you seem to take a very strong disposition to god. I'm still kinda unsure as to why, but if you don't answer me why, i guess it's ok.
Softwarewolf, Besides all the grammar mistakes...
(I'm j/k) there was alot of arrogance in your post. First of all you say athiests are smarter and more opinionotic then people who are not. Well if they're so smart why are 69% of prisoners of the state atheists? 28% are subtile believers(those who believe but don't take action, or seriousness), and the last 3% are those who regularly attend church, hearings, meetings, and other religous gatherings on a regular basis. Also I have yet to meet anyone who is not an atheist be an abuser of drugs, abuser of adultery, or abuser of Human rights. But of course this is just my perspective of what I havn't done, but then again im pretty sure i've met at least over a good 20k people throughout life and remember it... Also you say god created the entire universe 6k years ago? 1)that is supposed to be by the Lunar calendar, and before that we don't know what was used as to keep track of days, so who knows when "the bible you speak of" was actually made. And god is garbage? I see god keeping people out of the streets because their parents believe proper association, with only those who are peaceful and righteous people, and therefor stopping many kids and teen-agers from the wrong paths, though we all hate that . Oh yeah, a good fraction of people believe in god mainly on the basis of how massive the #'s of followers are, they don't do this purposely but it's just a factor of fellowship. However, many of them grow to learn of the religon they have chosen and begin to learn of why things are the way they are. Most don't, but many still do. Anyway software, the main reason your post is arrogant, is because you didn't take knowledge from both sides of the field. You had bits or pieces...They were false....(the ones about christian or cathlic bibles). Also you tried to point out that something had2 come before god, and something before the universe, and vice versa, but we already established in this thread that god, or the universe as we call it, is currently intagible, or not something we can put into a box and define as reality. Science is just theory, except for basis' on earth there are no facts about the way our place of dwelling(universe) was created, or exists. It either is or is not within our comprehension. We don't know. So meh I'm done, if people would've read my post instead this wouldn't be a conversation like this.On the good Note: It's almost summer yay!
And don't forget MONKEYS RULE!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-05-18 at 20:34:51
Why do I view the idea of god as bad?
Because god is connected to religion and I hate religion. Religion is the cause of wars as well as hatred toward people. Why should we hate each other for the beliefs?
You may say that people don't "hate" each other, but in real life, they do. But when I say "hate", I don't mean a threatening type, I mean a person who feels another person is not "worthy" or even as far as inferior as to himself.
A minor note, but it shows an example: I don't remember the exact number, but I'm almost sure that over 80% of the american population feels having a well qualified president that is atheist is worse having a not qualified, but religious, president.
If I'm not mistaken, then religion also asks for fair treatment. Well, then, the human race is failing. If there's one thing that humans have, it's greed, and part of greed is to be better than others. Being in a group such as this is the perfect way for someone to fall into this hole.
I, unlike many other people, realize religion has had more negative effects on the human race than anything else. Unfortuantly, many of those who haven't are still brainwashed into believing that their group is the superior and only they should receive immortality.
Once again, this is greed. I guess you could say, greed is what drives people to follow these crazy things. However, while I admit I am greedy, I am not going as far as to destroying human's one goal, learning, and following a path to eternal salvation.
I would rather suffer eternally than to allow human's to lose their only advantage over other races on this planet: the ability to learn.
I also have problems about people saying they are saved simply by faith. If I were religious, I would view this as the stupidest thing ever. Tell me, what point is there to doing good deeds if one could kill everyone on the planet, then ask for forgiveness?
Correct, there is no point. Good works is the most important in recieving salvation if god is truly just. But I guess if the teachings of whatever religions are true, then there is no way he is, so I'm not even going into that.
I still have a huge number of problems with religion, but I'm not going to say them now. I'm actually preparing a really long essay which explains to the smallest detail on why I don't believe in a god.
Because god is connected to religion and I hate religion. Religion is the cause of wars as well as hatred toward people. Why should we hate each other for the beliefs?
You may say that people don't "hate" each other, but in real life, they do. But when I say "hate", I don't mean a threatening type, I mean a person who feels another person is not "worthy" or even as far as inferior as to himself.
A minor note, but it shows an example: I don't remember the exact number, but I'm almost sure that over 80% of the american population feels having a well qualified president that is atheist is worse having a not qualified, but religious, president.
If I'm not mistaken, then religion also asks for fair treatment. Well, then, the human race is failing. If there's one thing that humans have, it's greed, and part of greed is to be better than others. Being in a group such as this is the perfect way for someone to fall into this hole.
I, unlike many other people, realize religion has had more negative effects on the human race than anything else. Unfortuantly, many of those who haven't are still brainwashed into believing that their group is the superior and only they should receive immortality.
Once again, this is greed. I guess you could say, greed is what drives people to follow these crazy things. However, while I admit I am greedy, I am not going as far as to destroying human's one goal, learning, and following a path to eternal salvation.
I would rather suffer eternally than to allow human's to lose their only advantage over other races on this planet: the ability to learn.
I also have problems about people saying they are saved simply by faith. If I were religious, I would view this as the stupidest thing ever. Tell me, what point is there to doing good deeds if one could kill everyone on the planet, then ask for forgiveness?
Correct, there is no point. Good works is the most important in recieving salvation if god is truly just. But I guess if the teachings of whatever religions are true, then there is no way he is, so I'm not even going into that.
I still have a huge number of problems with religion, but I'm not going to say them now. I'm actually preparing a really long essay which explains to the smallest detail on why I don't believe in a god.