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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-09-23 at 17:51:23
What does that have to do with ANYTHING? blink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-09-23 at 17:53:09
I was digressing by spouting out some sandom facts about einstein.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-09-23 at 17:54:50
Basically, he went off topic on purpose (aka, digressing) in order to get away from the facts and challenge something that is completely irrelevant of the main topic.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-09-23 at 18:10:54
Well, this is the biggest, longest topic I have ever started, so let's try and keep on topic and not get locked.

Its religious freaks like you, dude, who completely shove logic out of the way to bow down before the bible. I'm not saying the Bible is false, I'm just saying you completely and bluntly stated opinions that had NO evidence to back them.

They weren't even from the Bible.
Nowhere does it state Satan created science and music.
Since you don't beleive in science, and obviously like country pinch.gif , you make up complete bullblam, using religion as a backing.

Anyone watch Kind of the Hill? It completely and accurately portrays how dumb people think.
Every argument in the King of the Hill ends with 'Well Jesus loves him, so I win.' or 'It says so in the Bible.'
Plus, Bobby is, literally, both gay and retarded.
'I could be a drink girl'
'Dude, your Dad's forty? That means $1000 a day for forty years!!' <--- Um, he's been working since he was one? And they fail to even consider it was a bonus. And they're, what, thirteen? I could do taxes at thirteen, and completely understood the government.

The point is, peopl who hide behind religion fail to use logic. Which is why I have my own religion, but live in the real world, and not behind my religion.

(Yeah, okay, so I want you to know King of the Hill is a retarded show as well.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-09-23 at 19:56:01
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Sep 23 2005, 04:56 AM)
Kirby, stop ruling out the possibility of just because there isn't a straight-forward reason, we can't make our own.
What is the worth of HAVING a reason if in the end it will be a worthless one?

Simply put: If there is no reason to exist, then why should we? For the sake OF existing?
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I've created my own reason to exist: to learn. Can I do that if I'm dead? Nope. But I can pass the information on for the rest of humanity.
So you wish to pass on your information to the rest of humanity which will soon cease to have existence too.

A noteworthy cause, but is lacking against the Philosophical paradox.

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Just remember this, the idea of god is only there to explain. It doesn't give justification for anything. Much like how Roman's used gods to explain their world.
You should fix that sentence CheeZe; it is much better if you said FALSE idea, because one could say something like :
"logic is only there to explain. It doesn't give justification for anything."

But, besides that, that was the most non-flame i've seen you use with the word God in the sentence. Nice work! wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-09-23 at 20:05:33
Flame? ...

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What is the worth of HAVING a reason if in the end it will be a worthless one?

That's the beauty of it. To me, it doesn't matter how they use the information; the fact that I have passed the information is more than enough for me to feel that I have done well in life.

Sure, the end might be worthless. But who knows? It might turn out to be something useful. I am always willing to bet on the success of humanity. However, assuming it does turn out to be worthless, I won't be around. I will still feel satisfied with what I have done in my life. What other's have done is irrelevant.

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Simply put: If there is no reason to exist, then why should we? For the sake OF existing?

Like I said, I have a reason to exist. However, if I didn't have a reason, then there isn't a point to exist. However, some people choose to. They choose not to commit suicide because they know it won't solve their problem.

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A noteworthy cause, but is lacking against the Philosophical paradox.

I don't understand how it's a paradox. According to your analogy of this paradox, it won't only be one if I were to have no reason to live and still commit to my life. However, I have given you a reason. You have not shown me why it is bad except by saying that it could be worthless in the end.

This is not an arguement. This is telling me that I might be wrong. Like "OMG", I already know that. Likewise, I'm telling you that you might also be wrong. The difference is, I've accepted that fact, you haven't.

As a note personally to Kirby: Your arguements are getting weaker and weaker. You used to know what you're doing. It seems you now have also fallen into the holes of creating excuses. You know, ad hocs. If I were you, I would get out of them now and actually think about what you're doing. Think logically. Not spiritually.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-09-23 at 20:15:05
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However, some people choose to. They choose not to commit suicide because they know it won't solve their problem.


AKA Me
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ... on 2005-09-26 at 18:39:12
I wonder why didn't any of you comment on my statement here.

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I know it's hard to imagine it, but I'm trying to say that something has to be right there. For instance, the Big Bang. Where did the planets that "is together" come from?
Another example, you say God has to be made by something, if that were true, the something that made God has to be made from something, thus going on an endless process. I hope you know what I mean.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-09-26 at 19:09:51
they won't try to respond to that. It's one of those questions they usually try to dodge.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-09-26 at 21:56:03
I beleive wholy in infinity. The universe has been her forever, never ends, goes on forever in every direction.

Either the above is true, or you might as well just go commit suicide now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-09-27 at 00:46:23
QUOTE(Shapechanger @ Sep 26 2005, 08:55 PM)
I beleive wholy in infinity. The universe has been her forever, never ends, goes on forever in every direction.

Either the above is true, or you might as well just go commit suicide now.
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I'm just assuming here:
You mean, commit suicide as in, because there is no God? Cause, so far, I've been doing pretty good thinking he wasn't there. cool1.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shadow-Killa_04 on 2005-09-28 at 22:10:47
Well, I'm not a religous person. To me the end is just nothing, and you have no reason to fear nothing. People die and thats a fact of life. What annoys me though is that some religous people think that unreligous people have no point to live because we don't believe anything is going to happen after our death hence our life is meaningless. That is true, but they're taking it a different way than I do, I don't believe anything is going to happen after I die so I know I have to make the best of what I can while I live and live happily while I live and be a good person whether or not if in the scheme of things it means nothing.

If you look at the big picture, what we do matters nothing because eventualy the sun is going to colapse and all. Well thats exactly why you don't look at the big picture. You look at the individual dots of it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ... on 2005-09-30 at 18:22:23
Facts:
  • Evolution is a THEORY! Since nothing have been observed. I still don't know why the world takes it seriously.
  • Why do you believe in the Big Bang? Since when explosions are orderly than before. No such thing has been observed.
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    I know it's hard to imagine it, but I'm trying to say that something has to be right there. For instance, the Big Bang. Where did the planets that "is together" come from?
    Another example, you say God has to be made by something, if that were true, the something that made God has to be made from something, thus going on an endless process. I hope you know what I mean.
  • You may not know this but, there is more people who don't believe evolution than those do. Muslim, Buddism, Christainity, Catholics, and/or many other religons don't believe in them. Evolution mainly are believed in Europe and USA.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-09-30 at 19:10:03
So Pacman, Evolution is only a theory?

Guess what, Gravity is only a theory too.


Besides, Evolution can be observed. How? People have babies. If evolution doesen't exist, all babies would be exact copies of their parents. But they AREN'T, they take characteristics from both parents. Every child is a mutant, and these children grow up to adult men and women and have more babies, who are also different.

Now then, the people who are not fit to survive life DIE. The ones that are fit survive and have babies, and their traits are passed down. And since certain traits are favored, people become different overtime. For example, people in Germany are blonde because blonde hair is the preferred hair color over there.

And if you further disbelieve me, go have sex and impregnate some poor lady. The baby won't be exactly like you or the poor lady.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-30 at 23:37:54
QUOTE(XxPacmaynExX @ Sep 30 2005, 06:22 PM)
Evolution is a THEORY! Since nothing have been observed. I still don't know why the world takes it seriously.
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Still don't know why the world takes it seriously? Lol, I still don't know why there are idiots in the world as well. Leave out more information and tell half-truths more please. You might as well argue the earth is flat and that DHMO is bad for you.

Learn what a theory is too, thx.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ninebreaker on 2005-10-01 at 00:13:22
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Evolution is a THEORY!


So are religions.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-10-01 at 00:40:00
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    * Why do you believe in the Big Bang? Since when explosions are orderly than before. No such thing has been observed.
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I believe the Big Bang is the most likely theory of the start of the universe if we're trying to describe how the world was created in the book of Genesis.

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* You may not know this but, there is more people who don't believe evolution than those do. Muslim, Buddism, Christainity, Catholics, and/or many other religons don't believe in them. Evolution mainly are believed in Europe and USA.e).

I believe in some parts of evolution. I just don't believe in the part where Humans evolved from monkeys or w/e. And I hold the same opinion as many others.

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So are religions.

Great comeback! [/sarcasm]
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2005-10-01 at 05:19:12
wow.... this topic is still goen....wow clapping.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ... on 2005-10-01 at 08:09:57
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I believe in some parts of evolution. I just don't believe in the part where Humans evolved from monkeys or w/e. And I hold the same opinion as many others.


Me too, I just only believe in tiny evolution such as bugs or reptiles. Because, they have been observed.

EDIT: You people still never commented on this statement? Is it because it is true?
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I know it's hard to imagine it, but I'm trying to say that something has to be right there. For instance, the Big Bang. Where did the planets that "is together" come from?
Another example, you say God has to be made by something, if that were true, the something that made God has to be made from something, thus going on an endless process. I hope you know what I mean.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Merrell on 2005-10-01 at 12:17:51
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So are religions.


Great comeback! [/sarcasm]


MillenniumArmy.. I think he was being serious, religions are more "bullcrap" then the theory of evolution. If that was a comeback, it was a good one.

QUOTE(pacman)
    * You may not know this but, there is more people who don't believe evolution than those do. Muslim, Buddism, Christainity, Catholics, and/or many other religons don't believe in them. Evolution mainly are believed in Europe and USA.


Big deal, that doesn't mean religions are going to be true or not.

QUOTE(rhiom)
wow.... this topic is still goen....wow clapping.gif


That wasn't necassary.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-10-01 at 14:16:20
QUOTE(XxPacmaynExX @ Oct 1 2005, 07:09 AM)
Me too, I just only believe in tiny evolution such as bugs or reptiles. Because, they have been observed.

EDIT: You people still never commented on this statement? Is it because it is true?
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Wait bud, did you just totally ignore my post?

To add proof, ever hear of DOGBREEDING? Dogbreeding is controlled evolution, in effect, we are playing God and designing new dogs through controlling and accellerating their evolution.

Plus, even if something had to create god and something had to create that, and it went in an endless process, SO WHAT? What if there are INFINITE creators? Why can't there be infinite creators?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-10-01 at 14:25:51
QUOTE(XxPacmaynExX @ Oct 1 2005, 08:09 AM)
Me too, I just only believe in tiny evolution such as bugs or reptiles. Because, they have been observed.
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Yea, because there is no way evolution could apply to other organisms right? Of course, because humans for example are "above" all other animals and we are superior beings.

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I believe in some parts of evolution. I just don't believe in the part where Humans evolved from monkeys or w/e. And I hold the same opinion as many others.


Yea, because while other animals were evolving, god just created us.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2005-10-01 at 15:04:19
your right it wasnt neciserry but i thought it was worth comment, look at the date of the start, for instance my firts post was august 21... it's been a while.... and this topic is still going on, ive thought that it was just worth noting, im not saying that it's a bad thing that it's going on.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-10-01 at 18:25:47
Still, Evolution can be observed, it is very easy to be observed. And dont bring up the "evolution is just a theory" bullblam, because GRAVITY IS JUST A THEORY TOO!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-10-01 at 19:36:08
Then there's cell theory, atomic theory, and I believe electricity is a theory too right?

Then continental drift and plate tectonics are theories as well, but of course I don't believe them because I believe that god moves the land on the earth and that he lives in the core of the earth too.

Drunken has also created his own theory opposing gravity and he calls it intelligent falling. And the earth is also flat. And I think that there are no such thing as radio waves, it's angels who carry the person's voice to another person's car radio.

However, Drunken has misplaced his razor and so have I.

Read this article too:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html
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