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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2004-10-30 at 07:39:47
I dunno what about D¡ck's gay dougter? Shes a lesbian and he still stands behind his N0-M4RR|AG3-F0R-J00 thing.

EDIT: Why the hell is d¡ck censored?

Oh and last night i kissed my friend tony on the neck. How many of you have a problem with that?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FrylockHolmes on 2004-10-30 at 08:10:15
Hahahahaha and I kissed you on the cheek. Oh well, I did get to kiss Kathy on the lips w00t.gif w00t.gif w00t.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Moogle on 2004-11-05 at 07:55:39
Really whocares if same sex get married, not our problem not our life. If people really love each other then let them get married. Just because same sex dont mean a thing. World is changing even if you dont like it. Nowonder some people are scared to admiting being gay because of people who going knock them down just for being who they are. If you cant take someone being a homosexual then your problem.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2004-11-05 at 22:24:49
Same Sex marrige = gross = BAN IT
Adoption = NO THEIR KIDS WOULD BE MESSED!! = BAN

ADDITION: Would you want your kids watching 2 guys make out in public... They would start asking questions..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Clokr_ on 2004-11-06 at 09:46:17
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ADDITION: Would you want your kids watching 2 guys make out in public... They would start asking questions..
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1- They wouldnt know that they are 2 guys if the parents are intelligent.
2- Why the hell would they make it out in public?!
3- They wouldnt make it when their son is seeing them...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2004-11-06 at 13:50:15
Cmon anti-gays, tell us how it's bad, not how it would spread.
Suppose someone thinks of a virus-based soemthing, that in truth does...
Absolutely nothing to those it infects, other than spread.
If someone made that, then I don't see how you should get to say:
"Ban it, ban it, it spreads from person to person, it's contagious! It's bad, even though it doesn't effect me or anyone I know in anyway!"
You sitll haven't said what's wrong with homosexuality, only that you believe it's somehow contagious, or sometimes even "I am not homosexual, therefore it's bad".

And still nothing has been said about my mayonaise or black slavery comments, and I haven't seen them to be flawed yet.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red-X on 2004-11-07 at 23:26:27
Same sex marriage: Bad Why? Because if you are a Christian or Catholic, the Bible says that its bad...there!
Adoption: Good. If there is a child out there whose parents (for whatever reason) cant take care of it or dont want it, it should have someone that does want it. Would you want to spend your whole life unloved or in a building crammed with uther unloved kids?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2004-11-07 at 23:41:01
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Same sex marriage: Bad Why? Because if you are a Christian or Catholic, the Bible says that its bad...there!

... we have been over this time and time again... you sir, are a censored.gif ing idiot.
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Adoption: Good. If there is a child out there whose parents (for whatever reason) cant take care of it or dont want it, it should have someone that does want it. Would you want to spend your whole life unloved or in a building crammed with uther unloved kids?

So... your saying your against gay marriage... but you think gay couples should be able to adopt?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2004-11-08 at 11:22:47
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Same sex marriage: Bad Why? Because if you are a Christian or Catholic, the Bible says that its bad...there!


A 2000 year old book!?! And u still guide all ur points of view by it? I must be losing somethin' great here... tongue.gif
And where in it by the way it tells u specifically that gay marriage isn't good? ermm.gif

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From where I stand I can only see this:

Ur freedom(s) ends, when the next person's freedom(s) starts. Agreed here? Guess so. wink.gif

Aren't we cutting down on ppl's freedoms' by not allowing them 2 have the same rights as the common rest of us does?
So, by the name of God, tell me (or us gay right supporters) where does the gay marriage / addopting rights steps on ur freedom's toes! pinch.gif

Edit reason: Typo. blushing.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red-X on 2004-11-08 at 12:37:55
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A 2000 year old book!?! And u still guide all ur points of view by it?

its not just me. thousands of others do too. and if you believe that we are here by chance and that both a fly and your neighbor evolved from the same thing long enough ago and you are not insulted by that or dont feel bad that you are killing your very distant relative, then:
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you sir, are a  censored.gif ing idiot.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2004-11-08 at 13:10:02
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its not just me. thousands of others do too. and if you believe that we are here by chance and that both a fly and your neighbor evolved from the same thing long enough ago and you are not insulted by that or dont feel bad that you are killing your very distant relative, then:

QUOTE(Chill's last compliment 2 Red-X)
you sir, are a   censored.gif ing idiot.


Woa... Biased logics at work! disgust.gif

Altough trough evolution we may've been distant relatives with the fly, we're not the same thing (due 2 diverse branch evolution) and thus not possess the same conscience awareness level.
That doesn't apply 2 ur neighbour! If he's human that is... tongue.gif

Hence, it seems that Chill's judgement was right afterall. happy.gif

Oh and btw, I'm still waitin' 4 u 2 post the exact part of the Bible were it says that gay marriage isn't good. If it's that clear as said, u shouldn' have any problems with it. yawn.gif
For once, quit the crappy religious 'undeniable' truths, as some1 said be4 in this thread. angry.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red-X on 2004-11-08 at 18:06:18
I never said it was "clear"

and obviously people feel that there is something wrong with same sex marriages is all the states that had the option to allow it, rejected it!and adoption overall is good but if the parents are gay...im not as strong towards it...but i still think its better than being alone.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2004-11-09 at 21:21:35
"and if you believe that we are here by chance and that both a fly and your neighbor evolved from the same thing long enough ago and you are not insulted by that or dont feel bad that you are killing your very distant relative, then:"

I don't understand what you're saying.
Are you saying that if we believe that fly in our kithcen and our neighboor are relatives, we should feel bad about it? confused.gif
If so, then what you said doesn't make sense to me...

And/or are you saying that since, by evolutionists' beliefs, since they are related, we should feel bad about killing that fly, the neighboor's relative?
If so, then that doesn't make sense to me either...

Or if you meant something else entirely, what was it?

"And still nothing has been said about my mayonaise or black slavery comments, and I haven't seen them to be flawed yet."
And this STILL is true...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DrunkenWrestler on 2004-11-09 at 22:29:32
Hello again, everybody! I've decided to visit SEN today upon my capricious whim, so don't expect me to stay for long. smile.gif
QUOTE(gftgy)
Gay people are people who have problems, I think that's obvious

No, I would wager it's all in your head. Unless you'd like to show us otherwise.

QUOTE(n20-Simpsons)
Same Sex marrige = gross = BAN IT
Adoption = NO THEIR KIDS WOULD BE MESSED!! = BAN

ADDITION: Would you want your kids watching 2 guys make out in public... They would start asking questions..

Interacial marriage = gross = BAN IT
Adoption = NO THEIR KIDS WOULD BE MESSED!! = BAN

ADDITION: Would you want your kids watching a black person making out with a white prson? They would start asking questions...

QUOTE(Red-X)
Bad Why? Because if you are a Christian or Catholic, the Bible says that its bad...there!

Correct, we should also drown children (Gen. 7:21-22), wage ideological wars of attrition (Deut. 20:16-17), stone disobedient sons (Deut. 21:18-21), own slaves (Lev. 25:44-46), keep virginal war prisoners and massacring the rest (Num. 31:17-18), execute rape victims if they don't cry out (Deut. 22:23-24), and hate our own family (Lk 14:26) in the name of God. Let's also revoke equal rights for women because Lev. 27:3-7 says that they are worth less than men. Remember kids, America is a theocracy and the Bible is an unquestionable authority.

QUOTE(Red-X)
its not just me. thousands of others do too.

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So if the majority of people believe that the Earth is flat, it is correct to say that the Earth is flat because everyone else believes it is? C'mon, think for yourself! Let's not forget the thousands that believe that gay marriage should be legal.

And Jesus! We came from a fly? That's one of the funniest misconceptions of evolution I've ever heard! I think someone's been fed distorted easy-to-refute versions of evolution.




These arguments are very convincing, and I will now cite 12 reasons by the Gator GSA as to why gay marriage should be banned. Nozomu, maybe you should just repost this every three pages.

1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control are not natural.

2. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people cannot get legally married because the world needs more children.

3. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children.

4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful, since Britney Spears's 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.

5. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and it hasn't changed at all: women are property, Blacks can't marry Whites, and divorce is illegal.

6. Gay marriage should be decided by the people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of minorities.

7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are always imposed on the entire country. That's why we only have one religion in America.

8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall.

9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage license.

10. Children can never succeed without both male and female role models at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.

11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to cars or longer lifespans.

12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages will for gays & lesbians.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red-X on 2004-11-10 at 00:26:12
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And Jesus! We came from a fly? That's one of the funniest misconceptions of evolution I've ever heard! I think someone's been fed distorted easy-to-refute versions of evolution.

No..if evolution is correct then we all came from the same creature long enough ago. That means that a fly would be our relative, not our direct ancestor, more like a cousin.

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Would you want your kids watching a black person making out with a white prson? They would start asking questions

They would also want to know what they were doing in the first place, most parents dont make out in fromt of their kids, so the child would be naturally curious to see anyonemaking out. Plus there is a simple answer: they dont care about the color of their skin, which is why slavery ended in the first place. It took us long enough but we realized that blacks people are humans too that either evolved from the same thing or was created by the same thing.

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So if the majority of people believe that the Earth is flat, it is correct to say that the Earth is flat because everyone else believes it is? C'mon, think for yourself! Let's not forget the thousands that believe that gay marriage should be legal

No but thousands of others have faith. We have proof that the world is a sphere(or very very close to it). We do not have scientific proof of either evolution or creation. They are both beliefs. One that one guy thought up in recent times versus a belief that ahs existed since the first civilizations. Evolution is missing a few key elements but the major one is: where did the first creature come from? And I believe that there is a huge unexplainable gap around the time of dinosaurs (I may be mistaken).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2004-11-10 at 15:34:48
QUOTE(Red-X)
No..if evolution is correct then we all came from the same creature long enough ago. That means that a fly would be our relative, not our direct ancestor, more like a cousin.


Go back and read the awareness level bit more carefully (post #186). And see this as well (evolution's basics).

QUOTE(Red-X)
They would also want to know what they were doing in the first place, most parents dont make out in fromt of their kids, so the child would be naturally curious to see anyonemaking out. Plus there is a simple answer: they dont care about the color of their skin, which is why slavery ended in the first place. It took us long enough but we realized that blacks people are humans too that either evolved from the same thing or was created by the same thing.


And if I recall correctly during the XV century during the discoveries, that same church was convinced that the black folks didn't had any soul and therefor weren't humans... bleh.gif
The slavery was a lot harder 2 end up with than what u state 4. Go find an history book and see the sucession war of the U.S., more commonly called Civil war. And then the church, already recognized the coloured foks (blacks as u're adressin'em) as equals, if not mistaken.

QUOTE(Red-X)
We have proof that the world is a sphere(or very very close to it). ...
...One that one guy thought up in recent times versus a belief that ahs existed since the first civilizations. Evolution is missing a few key elements but the major one is: where did the first creature come from? And I believe that there is a huge unexplainable gap around the time of dinosaurs (I may be mistaken).


See the basics of evolution, single cell organisms in a process called abiogenesis.
The gap u speak of may resolve of lack of consistent proofs on how 2 determine that dinossaurs were extinct.

Recall of Galileo? He was near gettin' convicted of heresy by the Church's Inquisition just 4 mere stating that the Earth revolved 'round the sun and not vice-versa, as the Church of that time professed.
So, now tell me wich was correct? disgust.gif

QUOTE(Red-X)
No but thousands of others have faith. ...
...We do not have scientific proof of either evolution or creation. They are both beliefs.


Just 4 fun, tell me what do u think of this posture of the Pope ('bout evolution). interested.gif

To place the cherry on top (of the cake).
U seem 2 failed 2 reply 2 my last couple of statements in post #184... or those were just convienently forgotten? pinch.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DrunkenWrestler on 2004-11-10 at 17:50:47
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No..if evolution is correct then we all came from the same creature long enough ago. That means that a fly would be our relative, not our direct ancestor, more like a cousin.

Correct, the evidence in identical DNA sections in all living things indicates that all forms of life on Earth descended from a common ancestor. But how can that insult us? Doesn't it give us greater merit that we got the best evolutionary path of all the kingdoms of life? And as Shakesphere puts it, we are the paragon of animals.

QUOTE(Rex-X)
No but thousands of others have faith. We have proof that the world is a sphere(or very very close to it).

And thousands of others do not have faith in your particular god or do not have faith at all. We do have proof that the Earth is a sphere, but to believe that because of popular belief in lieu of actual scientific evidence is a fallacy. At one time the majority of people did believe the earth was flat. This means that just because the majority believes in something doesn't make it right. So saying gay marriage should be illegal because the majority of people believe should be illegal doesn't suffice as an actual argument.

QUOTE(Red-X)
We do not have scientific proof of either evolution or creation. They are both beliefs.

No, evolution is a scientific theory, not a superstition.

QUOTE(Rex-X)
One that one guy thought up in recent times versus a belief that ahs existed since the first civilizations.

Are you insinuating that if X is older than Y, X is therefore correct? Well, since the idea that the Earth if flat is older than the idea that the Earth is round, the Earth is therefore flat.

Yeah, those scientist back in the day had state-of-the art scientific Babylonian technology to figure out the enviornment around them.

QUOTE(Rex-X)
Evolution is missing a few key elements but the major one is: where did the first creature come from?

You're conflating evolution with abiogensis. Evolution does not explain how the first life came to be, it explains the phenomenon of how species get diverse. Likewise, atomic theory does not explain how the first atom came into existence, but that doesn't affect our ability to explain chemistry.

QUOTE(Rex-X)
And I believe that there is a huge unexplainable gap around the time of dinosaurs (I may be mistaken).

This link might clear answer some questions.

Anyway, let's try to stay on the topic of gay marriage.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2004-11-11 at 21:40:14
most parents dont make out in fromt of their kids, so the child would be naturally curious to see anyonemaking out. Plus there is a simple answer: they dont care about the color of their skin, which is why slavery ended in the first place. It took us long enough but we realized that blacks people are humans too that either evolved from the same thing or was created by the same thing.

most parents dont murder in fromt of their kids, so the child would be naturally curious to see anyonemurdering.
Blacks are humans too, and so they should get the same rights as anyoine else....
And how does that help your argument against homosexuals? Or are homosexuals not human and alive...?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2004-11-11 at 23:50:34
Hes saying that no one cares about blacks (which they shouldnt) but people care about gays even though its basically the same.

Wait, that dosnt help his argument at all. What the censored.gif are you talking about, X?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2004-11-12 at 10:05:27
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Hes saying that no one cares about black (which they shouldnt) but people care about gays even though its basically the same.

Wait, that dosnt help his argument at all. What the  censored.gif  are you talking about, X?


Who knows? And 4 cryin' out loud, who cares!?! blink.gif
In my view he hasn't rebated none of my statements yet. dry.gif
How 'bout u guys?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by iamandragon on 2004-11-13 at 07:23:15
Before, I used to disagree it...
but now...
Ever since I found my brother and sister, everything seems correct...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by eXiLe on 2004-11-17 at 18:19:43
Ok First of all its censored.gif ing wrong to be a homo i dont get why idiots do this

And Yes it's okay that children get adopted as long as their children handle them with care
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zero on 2004-11-17 at 18:26:10
i;am homophobic if i see a home i get scared and run away
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DrunkenWrestler on 2004-11-17 at 19:43:46
QUOTE(eXiLe @ Nov 17 2004, 06:19 PM)
Ok First of all its  censored.gif ing wrong to be a homo i dont get why idiots do this

Well, I'm convinced.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zero on 2004-11-17 at 19:47:59
homo....just checking if it sais home when i type " h o m o"
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