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You're lucky i like you alot because you are a good map maker, otherwise i would've called you something pretty... bad based on how you said that.

Those were my views, and what I'de like to call evidence that God Exists. I'm comfortable beleiving in God, and if you arn't I won't hold anything against you.

This is just the type of answer i was looking for. Direct and well thought-out, not meaningless dribble. I very much agree with you about the idea of a president who must be a christian. This is putting one man above another which is against christian teachings, it's also against christian teachings for man to command man, so therefor a leader or government of control and not regulation is against the basis they base their world on, very unjust. And you're very right about greed, greed has corrupted man for as long as we can imagine. Whether the bible is fact or fiction, greed has destroyed the world, and possibly the true heritage of what the bible actually is, fiction or non-fiction. Gred over money, greed over power, greed over control...Greed itself... There is a good old saying that greed is man's greatest rival, nemesis, and sometimes our enemy.

Nontheless, Religon has caused many problems in the history of the world, but the part you really hit home on is that it all revolves around greed. Every single bit of it, i have yet to see a war that is not based on greed. Religous teachings and beliefs they say? Hitler wanted the whole world because he was a bastard and a spoiled son, communism wasn't supporting him, he was abusing communism. But hey, who cares? The world is more focused on controlling young minds then teaching them facts of both sides, so we should be happy to understand what we do. And not allow this kind of greed to overcome us. But remember this, religon didn't fuel greed, greed corrupted religon/s. Greed is Human kinds best friend, but really he's just a thief. Greed i believe will lead us to our untimely demise. We can already build megatron bombs in our backyard(megatron bombs our computer bombs that can destroy radio waves and electricity). How long until greed leads us to advance so far....and take so much....and give back so little....and abuse enough to the point that we become the soul reason for our own extinction. Our isn't crumbling on just religon, but religon was a fuel, or carrier for much greed, and it still is.

So basically, Yeah, religon has been a source of greed for ages. People have killed, been killed, and fought on all beliefs of their own that they can't even prove to be true. But you know what i found out overtime? I found out that it isn't religon fueling us with all this greed, vengeance, anguish, sorrow, pride, and emnity. It's only 1 spectrum through which all these evil and painful things spread throughout the world. Because religon is so huge, it's the biggest source of spreading all this greed, and sin(yeah i used a word you might not believe in owell). I just know that all I can do as a solution is to find those who are being imbewed with this anger, anguish, sorrow, hate, and greed, and do the best I can when while I can, to whom is near, and try to explain why things are the way they are. Before greed takes hold again, and leads to yet another War on Iraq, or World war 3.....

P.S. Monkeys Rule!
And I don't mean im trying to help the world or something...I just see it as people who i witness doing some sort of misjudging and telling others their views are wrong, i want to attempt to help people see things eye for eye. This is called giving people "truth".

What created the universe? And what created the creator of the universe?
I have as yet to see how God and the universe are even necesarily different things.

Also, I would like to ask, how is religion different from mythology? How is Christianity different from ancient Egyptian mythology?


Wait... then what about God?

I asked my dad this and the answer probably would have never occured to me unless I thought for years..

The answer is simple, but the exact understanding is pretty difficult..

The difference is Egyptian Mythology (or any mythology) have multiple gods while christianity (and "modern" religion) have only one.

God is a spiritual being that is everything. He loves every living thing. Plus, life can't just start on its own. How did the universe start? What was there before the big bang? How did the things that caused the big bang created by?

God created the universe. God was always there. I'm only 14, so I can't say much, and I hope Millenium Army can back me up cuz he knows more about God than I do... and if u talkin bout our god, spell it with a capital, cuz that's his name, or Messiah.

Explanation, not an arguement.


Good for him.


Yeah, therefore goddidit. Oh wait, god is alive.


This has nothing to do with the question, and thus, is irrelevant.


See above.


See above. Times two.


Maybe if people would take the time and actually try to put the effort into proper spelling and grammar, I'll captalize god. *hint hint*

yes, god exists! here is the simple question that prooves he does. WHERE THE HELL DID ALL THE MATTER IN THE BIG BANG COME FROM??? HUH? lol, also there is a stipulation that god also created the dimension of time, so therefore god has always existed.

err... yeh sure.. there must be a god becouse our small brains cant think of anything else... even if its the truth it solves nothing, becouse what created god?
here's a funny fact for you.
the universe has always been there and no-one created it, thats the truth,
offcourse OUR universe could have been created by something, but then whatever created it must be from another form of universe.

This is a good example of why people do not trust or agree with religous believers.... Most of your post seriously was a waste of time and just didn't help your cause at all...(as Cheeze has pointed out). But i want to set a few things straight to you, since you close to nothing.
1)God aint the Messiah, and God is his assigned last name by Humans, god=Our divine creator. Thus god can be used to describe anything you think is righteous and created you.
2)14 has nothing to do with anything, just because you are 14 years of age, it does not determine your comprehension rate.
3)God is everything? Where did you hear that?
4)We can't confirm 100% how the universe started, only theorize, we'd need time travel to confirm it, or proof of some sort of never ending cycle of which we can determine the segment points.
5)Capitilize God? I think you should follow your own advice too ya know...
6)Millenium has nothing to back you up on, you didn't make a point....

Ok now for worthwhile posting.
About what Ezday is trying to twist(you silly devil )
1)The creation of the Universe and God don't have any known connections. Who said god created our universe? Or if God exists within the laws of the universe we are living in. We can't prove, or envoke the thought that god is connected to our universe theory questions. Just another wastwhile attempt to contrast two things...
2)
Next time be nice enough to quote the essence of what I'm saying, but no matter. I'll elaborate... God stated all men are to be of equal standard because they all come from one parent and are not ranked, only reproduced. We were born the same and die the same. One of us being better or worse then the other is pointless, and envoking that standard on which god made us is against his will(or watevr). God created us....not reproduce so that would make him different then us. So therefor he is excluded(duh). how the hell can you make a commandment and then have it make no sense in relevance to yourself....

Anyway i guess no one is going to stay on topic with my earlier post about greed and whatnot, but meh that's what makes up these wacky get-nowhere threads. Let us all love our own arrogance and ego![I know I love my Ego ]

P.S. Monkeys sooooooo Rule!

Well, I have not posted in here for awhile so I am kind of lost.
Anyways, I have skimmed through a few posts and I saw the one that SWW posted.

I strongly believe that "god" is just some kind of omniscent figure that started everything and then "went" away and let the world take on its own course. But, the more I think about this the more unrealistic it sounds. The small but many things that bug the living shit out of me is the fact that MANY devout religious people either know a lot about their beliefs (MA) or have no idea WTF they are talking about and just need to shut their mouths.

Also, I saw the post about Mythology and or god... blah... Well, I think it is funny how every single organised religion thinks/says that their religion is the only rightful god. Isn't that why Israel is always at war with (shit I always forget) Palenstine or Pakistan? Well, anyways, how is one god more superior to the other god?

This kind of leads me into the bible. Well, everyone with half a brain knows that there is human error in everything no matter what it is. How do we know that the original people that wrote the bible should be trusted? I mean, for all that we knew about them they could have been stoned and got together and just said. "HHHhhheeeEEEEEyyyy MMMAAANNNN! Pass over the dooby and a pencil I have an idea!" Thus, forming todays organized religion.

Kind of off topic but, for the Agnostics here, who think Agnostic type Churches would be cool? I DO!

Anyways, I am done ranting and I am off too bed.

I don't know how gravity works. Therefore, god exists.

Hmm.. intersting thought eh?

Here is a little tinker.

If we all came from monkeys and god created us in his image then isn't god a BIG MONKEY?!?!?!?!?

~No offense~
~I don't beleive this but it does make sence~

Ok, how can I say this in the nicest way possible?

Well, first of all, are you religious?

Second, how does that make sense?

And are you implying that god is a monkey?

Those questions are stupid. But, your argument makes no sense. Maybe to someone else it does. But, too me you just said that right out of your ass.

Read these 2 books:
The Case for Faith
The Case for Christ

It tells how evolution is wrong and all that and how Jesus existed. It's like one of the bestsellers...

I just love how you like to pick apart people's posts and just come up with some of the most peculiar ways of trying to counter them


I've seen many christians in my life. Over these years, it just seems like our society is slowly contorting many christianity aspects. There's now so much levity among these christian people nowadays. Some of them have such "distorted beliefs" that I seriously don't think they know what they're truly believing.


I think Christianity/Judaism/Islam is the only world/big religion out there that says their God is the only God. Buddhism and Hinduism really dont care. I knew some people from my church and they took a stroll or w/e in India and had a nice time with the hindus there. They were discussing their religious status and those hindus were like "Wonderful. You've got a good religion too. So do I." They don't censure or criticise christians or other religous people, unlike us


Very true. We really don't know 100% for sure if these people weren't just writing a whole bunch of :poop: But then, same could goes with history. Maybe all the history we're learning in school is just a bunch of baloney made up by stoned people Scary thought


I wonder what they'd do every sunday...


We dont know really, but whatever he looks like, it says in the Bible that we should try and not to create some form of image of him. And that's what the Catholics have been doing since day 1...


This is reminding me of the old fundamentalist days back with the scopes monkey trials

If I were to tell you the list of all the "best-seller" books I've seen, then it would be several pages long...
Supposing I could remember them all.

Personally I think god does exist. Some ppl think that because no one has seen god that he doesn't exist but can you see air? or oxygen? the atmosphere? I mean it's just kind of stupid that ppl think because you can't see something it doesn't exist. Oh well believe what you want.

I think that someone could of wrote the book, like into just get people to follow him. Though this might not be the case, there is no evidence of such a thing happening.

Good point.

Yea, but there are other things you can check for to detect air and stuff. For god there is nothing that points to it.

Exactly. There are many things that point exactly to how and why many (but not all) thinhs work.

It has been proven that Water is H2O (Hydrogen di-Oxide). That is viable proof and it has been proven and is 100% viable. This is where god is different. god is considered to be some kind of omniscent figure that just "hangs" out above us, below us, and "all" around us. But, this is what confuses me. I just don't understand the fact that an omniscent forse is out there. That is where human conception just comes to a screeching halt. Our "fragile" little minds just can't comprehend something of that stature.

Anyways, after that pointless rant. What I am saying is you displayed a shity argument where there is actually proof. Again I point at Millenium Army for anyone who wants to argue/depbate. So far, him and tdn are the only ones who have a slight clue and are the only one's I thoroughlly enjoy debating with!

Good site:
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html

Yes, I know it says "athiest website" blah blah, it's still a very good read on how to have a proper arguement.

Also, I would like to take a poll:

Who here is afraid of death? (Not how you die, but just death)

ME DIE?!?

Well for me... I just wanna die in me sleep or someting(notice me beby gramma).
Dying by fire....ow....dying by bullet.....ow.....but just dying? I don't care too much, just wanna have enough time to do what i wanna do, and be at ease with myself. I think you should open a new topic with this poll and add a few different options then make it open discussion on why people are afraid of death and what they do to deal with it. But keep in mind half the nimwits on this site are kids so don't whail at em(ergh another grammar mistake).

Off Topic: Cheeze very nice FFTA Map, i had an earlier version but i had NO CLUE that you were the one who made that. It very much inspired me to fullfill a map i was working on and it gave me a world map idea(although it has nothing to do with yours, it just kinda helped.)

Oh yeah, and to the dude trying to compare god to air....here's something for YOU to think about long and hard....God created air and water. Water is just a liquidized form of air for sea creatures. Or the other way around....air is evaporated water for us...bleh watevr....but my point is think about the fact that you said god is everywhere, and then tried to contradict how we can or can't feel water and air.... Moooo i'm evil and i know it .

-Monkeys Rule!!!
[Recently saw a monkey pick his mate's butt ]

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