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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-07-01 at 15:17:14
I was about to say lol. And I think that figure includes both the Afghanistan and Iraq conflicts. By the way people, remember that this is not a war. Just a conflict. Just a small technicality, but you know, what can it hurt to educate you?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2005-07-01 at 16:12:03
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jul 1 2005, 01:30 PM)
3,000? isn't it more like 1,700!?!
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I was just trusting that his facts were right. Also it doesnt matter if it's 1,700 or 3,000...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-01 at 19:07:52
true, but I think 1,700 doesn't sound as bad as 3,000. I mean, thats why sale prices are always 19.99, which sounds better then 20 dollars.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-02 at 11:58:40
ummmmm........no? 1sounds bad to me. this shit should never have started. bush is a censored.gif ing moron who needs to fire his "advisers" (daddy......?) this war is useless and all it is doing is showing the world that were are bug bullies. if we were a world super power, then it would be over by now.i was, pull out and let them deal with it themselfs.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-07-02 at 12:00:57
Let them deal with it themselves? Didn't we start the whole thing by going in their and taking our their ruler and replacing it with a democracy? I don't think it would be right to first mess up their country and reform it and then pull out before it's stable. That worse than going there in the first place.

Also I heard that Bush isn't going to send anymore troops to Iraq or something.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-02 at 12:09:08
QUOTE(devilesk @ Jul 2 2005, 10:00 AM)
Let them deal with it themselves? Didn't we start the whole thing by going in their and taking our their ruler and replacing it with a democracy? I don't think it would be right to first mess up their country and reform it and then pull out before it's stable. That worse than going there in the first place.

Also I heard that Bush isn't going to send anymore troops to Iraq or something.
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why the hell not? no one has ever asked bush to go in and set up democracy. EVER. he was fighting daddys fight. and 9-11 was the best excuse. i just don't see why we didn't just go over there and kick ass on everybody and take over.a hostile takeover of quate would benefit the whole world. and, yes bush will send more troops. he just said that to make americans feel better
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-02 at 12:35:20
QUOTE(kooshtwo @ Jul 2 2005, 07:58 AM)
ummmmm........no? 1sounds bad to me. this shit should never have started. bush is a  censored.gif ing moron who needs to fire his "advisers" (daddy......?) this war is useless and all it is doing is showing the world that were are bug bullies. if we were a world super power, then it would be over by now.i was, pull out and let them deal with it themselfs.
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There is a little thing called spell check, I have no idea what your trying to say i this.

QUOTE(kooshtwo @ Jul 2 2005, 08:09 AM)
why the hell not? no one has ever asked bush to go in and set up democracy. EVER. he was fighting daddys fight. and 9-11 was the best excuse. i just don't see why we didn't just go over there and kick ass on everybody and take over.a hostile takeover of quate would benefit the whole world. and, yes bush will send more troops. he just said that to make americans feel better
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Bush said that if his Generals request more troops, he will send them. I'm not sure where he is going to get these extra troops becuase we are pretty stretched out. He is fighting 'daddy's' war? Please provide written proof for that. Using 9/11 as an excuse? Well I don't see any thing wrong in going in a taking out a terrorist leader who murdered thousands of his own people, many people each day. We just went in for the wrong reasons, so called WMDs. I do believe there could still be WMDs in Iraq becuase we have uncovered buried MIG fighter jets in the desert near, I think, Bagdad air port. Now if you can bury a whole fighter jet, I think you can bury a couple tanks of chemicals.

MIGs found in desert: http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/sandplanes.asp#photo01

But here is your WMDs: http://www.ngwrc.org/index.cfm?Page=Article&ID=861
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2005-07-04 at 13:34:16
QUOTE(rusell1993 @ Jul 4 2005, 11:39 AM)
BUSH... HE IS A F***ING B****Y PEICE OF MUTHAF***ING S**T!!!!!!!!!
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Keep this forum serious! Topics about war, political, the world, and problems in the world are examples of serious issues.

Please be open minded. There is no right or wrong answer.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zb2k on 2005-07-04 at 21:57:05
I have not read everything so I may be repeating what others have said.

If you read Michael Moore's "Dude, Where's my Country?" that's enought right there to make you hate Bush. Like how Bush's family owns a company called Carlyle which does a huge amount of buisness with the Saudi Royal Family, even though the Suadia Arabian governemnt conduct themselves in ways that America should hate.

He also gives very viable proof that Bush is covering up a lot about 9/11, and it could have been conducted by the Saudia Arabian governemnt. For example, the way that the Towers were hit head on at such high speeds is very difficult to accomplish unless you have serious training, and the way that we're told the bombers learned to fly playing Fligh Simulator, is simply, not enough.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-05 at 03:28:09
QUOTE(Zb2k @ Jul 4 2005, 05:57 PM)
I have not read everything so I may be repeating what others have said.

If you read Michael Moore's "Dude, Where's my Country?" that's enought right there to make you hate Bush. Like how Bush's family owns a company called Carlyle which does a huge amount of buisness with the Saudi Royal Family, even though the Suadia Arabian governemnt conduct themselves in ways that America should hate.

He also gives very viable proof that Bush is covering up a lot about 9/11, and it could have been conducted by the Saudia Arabian governemnt. For example, the way that the Towers were hit head on at such high speeds is very difficult to accomplish unless you have serious training, and the way that we're told the bombers learned to fly playing Fligh Simulator, is simply, not enough.
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Your old news my friend. Its already been comfirmed that the terrorists learned how to fly planes in America through American training companies. No cover up here.

Bush's family holds little shares in that company, which Mr. Moore didn't mention. Bush makes very little money through that company. Bush already had alot of money before that company. Covering up alot about 9/11? Ever heard of the 9/11 commision?.......

Moore manipulates facts for his own immature arguements. I only watch him now as an entertainer and I don't take his stuff seriouslly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HeRtZ on 2005-07-05 at 03:31:27
Bush looks like a popsicle that has hair all over. and is ugly! watch the swat will be at my house the next day
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-05 at 04:19:31
think about it, dady didnt like them and NOW were in a war with them.hmmmm, theres a hard one.(1+1=green?) well hell yes he coudl have burried wmd under the sand, good for him if he did. honestly. oh, and dont flame me again, its not nice. i dont need writen proof of anything, half of the shit people know is not writen anywhere. so back off
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-05 at 09:58:49
I agree with Kooshtwo. Why else would we be in there? (According to out "president" [more like a facist leader] we were in there to find WMD, but now we are in there "fighting terrorists". Why can't we stay focused on one thing at a time????)

Why was the Persian Gulf fought? Well, what you usually don't hear is, back before Sadam invaded Quwait, Sadam and Daddy Bush, were kind of, I guess you would say, "friends". Then one day, Mr. Sadam came to Daddy Bush and was complaining that the small little country Quwait, had invented a way to drill for oil diagnally instead of just straight down, and they were stealing his oil out of his country (because of the diagnal drilling)

He then asked Daddy Bush, if he was to invade Quwait, if we would back him up. Daddy Bush said he would. So what does Sadam do? Invade Quwait. Then what happens? We backstab Sadam, and defend "poor" little Quwait, thus starting the Persian Gulf War.

We then finally "ended" the war and left.

Then comes Idiot Bush. We couldn't finish what we had started in Quwait, so Idiot Bush decided to follow in his daddy's footsteps, and try to finish it, which in a way, we did. But now we pissed off the Shiait Muslums cause we wouldn't let them come to power. So now, we have these, "insurgents" (probibly hired by the Shiaits) and they started attacking our ass. So like the USA usually does, we retaliated. And that is how we got "The War on Terrorism"

I can't understand why our country voted for him again. He is just going to get us all killed (even though it was a battle between the "Lesser of two evils", we should have voted for a Democrat instead of a friggen Republican)

If Republicans continue to control the country, we're all going to go to shit.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-05 at 14:31:34
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jul 5 2005, 05:58 AM)
I agree with Kooshtwo.  Why else would we be in there? (According to out "president" [more like a facist leader] we were in there to find WMD, but now we are in there "fighting terrorists".  Why can't we stay focused on one thing at a time????)[right][snapback]253489[/snapback][/right]


We went in there thinking there were WMDs. Right now we can't find them. You are also old news. We have freed a people that were murdered each day and is it false to say that our presence in Iraq is attracting terrorists away from American soil?

BUt we were attacked by WMDs stupid: http://www.ngwrc.org/index.cfm?Page=Article&ID=861
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jul 5 2005, 05:58 AM)
Why was the Persian Gulf fought?  Well, what you usually don't hear is, back before Sadam invaded Quwait, Sadam and Daddy Bush, were kind of, I guess you would say, "friends".  Then one day, Mr. Sadam came to Daddy Bush and was complaining that the small little country Quwait, had invented a way to drill for oil diagnally instead of just straight down, and they were stealing his oil out of his country (because of the diagnal drilling)[right][snapback]253489[/snapback][/right]

America only supported Saddam because he went to war with Iran. You forgot to put that in your arguement. disgust.gif
Please provide proof for your arguement.

QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jul 5 2005, 05:58 AM)
He then asked Daddy Bush, if he was to invade Quwait, if we would back him up.  Daddy Bush said he would.  So what does Sadam do?  Invade Quwait.  Then what happens?  We backstab Sadam, and defend "poor" little Quwait, thus starting the Persian Gulf War.

We then finally "ended" the war and left.

Then comes Idiot Bush.  We couldn't finish what we had started in Quwait, so Idiot Bush decided to follow in his daddy's footsteps, and try to finish it, which in a way, we did.  But now we pissed off the Shiait Muslums cause we wouldn't let them come to power.  So now, we have these, "insurgents" (probibly hired by the Shiaits) and they started attacking our ass.  So like the USA usually does, we retaliated.  And that is how we got "The War on Terrorism"

I can't understand why our country voted for him again.  He is just going to get us all killed (even though it was a battle between the "Lesser of two evils", we should have voted for a Democrat instead of a friggen Republican)

If Republicans continue to control the country, we're all going to go to shit.
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Daddy's footstep? Please PROVIDE EVIDENCE. You know what? THE SKY IS GREEN!!!!!! But you know that isn't written down anywhere but its true!!!

And its the Sunnis If I am not correct. And the War on Terror started BEFORE IRAQ. We voted for Bush becuase Kerry is a weak censored.gif . A lot of people didn't like Bush, but Kerry was a worser choice.

And OMG, Kerry's family is doing business with the Saudis!!!!11 Family owns Henz company if you didn't know.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Vampire on 2005-07-05 at 14:40:53
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jul 5 2005, 03:58 PM)
I agree with Kooshtwo.  Why else would we be in there? (According to out "president" [more like a facist leader] we were in there to find WMD, but now we are in there "fighting terrorists".  Why can't we stay focused on one thing at a time????)

Why was the Persian Gulf fought?  Well, what you usually don't hear is, back before Sadam invaded Quwait, Sadam and Daddy Bush, were kind of, I guess you would say, "friends".  Then one day, Mr. Sadam came to Daddy Bush and was complaining that the small little country Quwait, had invented a way to drill for oil diagnally instead of just straight down, and they were stealing his oil out of his country (because of the diagnal drilling)

He then asked Daddy Bush, if he was to invade Quwait, if we would back him up.  Daddy Bush said he would.  So what does Sadam do?  Invade Quwait.  Then what happens?  We backstab Sadam, and defend "poor" little Quwait, thus starting the Persian Gulf War.

We then finally "ended" the war and left.

Then comes Idiot Bush.  We couldn't finish what we had started in Quwait, so Idiot Bush decided to follow in his daddy's footsteps, and try to finish it, which in a way, we did.  But now we pissed off the Shiait Muslums cause we wouldn't let them come to power.  So now, we have these, "insurgents" (probibly hired by the Shiaits) and they started attacking our ass.  So like the USA usually does, we retaliated.  And that is how we got "The War on Terrorism"

I can't understand why our country voted for him again.  He is just going to get us all killed (even though it was a battle between the "Lesser of two evils", we should have voted for a Democrat instead of a friggen Republican)

If Republicans continue to control the country, we're all going to go to shit.
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It's spelled Kuwait. Second of all the SHIITE muslims are only 3% of the Iraq population... its a MINORITY.

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And its the Sunnis If I am not correct. And the War on Terror started BEFORE IRAQ. We voted for Bush becuase Kerry is a weak  . A lot of people didn't like Bush, but Kerry was a worser choice.


I agree with the last sentence more then I ever agreed on anything.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-05 at 14:44:47
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jul 5 2005, 11:31 AM)
We went in there thinking there were WMDs.  Right now we can't find them.  You are also old news.  We have freed a people that were murdered each day and is it false to say that our presence in Iraq is attracting terrorists away from American soil?
America only supported Saddam because he went to war with Iran.  You forgot to put that in your arguement.  disgust.gif
Please provide proof for your arguement.
Daddy's footstep?  Please PROVIDE EVIDENCE.  You know what? THE SKY IS GREEN!!!!!!  But you know that isn't written down anywhere but its true!!!

And its the Sunnis If I am not correct.  And the War on Terror started BEFORE IRAQ.  We voted for Bush becuase Kerry is a weak  censored.gif .  A lot of people didn't like Bush, but Kerry was a worser choice.

And OMG, Kerry's family is doing business with the Saudis!!!!11  Family owns Henz company if you didn't know.
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You can never provide evidence to your arguements, so why should we?

How did it start way before Iraq? I never heard a thing about a "War on Terrorism" until Bush got elected. Seems to me he created the entity.

Worser? That's not even a word. So before you call anyone a "weak Fuck and defend a Republican (which is going to get us killed within the next three years) Learn vocabulary, it mite actaully help your arguments.

Hmm.... Nice changing wife to family in your statment about owning the Henz company (Isn't it Heinz?). Did you make a boo boo and realize that you were posting false information?

And it's his wife that owns it, not his family.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Vampire on 2005-07-05 at 14:47:30
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Worser? That's not even a word. So before you call anyone a "weak  censored.gif  and defend a Republican (which is going to get us killed within the next three years) Learn vocabulary, it mite actaully help your arguments.


You're the one that spelled Kuwait and Shiite wrong.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-05 at 14:50:07
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jul 5 2005, 10:44 AM)
You can never provide evidence to your arguements, so why should we?

How did it start way before Iraq?  I never heard a thing about a "War on Terrorism" until Bush got elected.  Seems to me he created the entity.

Worser?  That's not even a word.  So before you call anyone a "weak Fuck and defend a Republican (which is going to get us killed within the next three years) Learn vocabulary, it mite actaully help your arguments.

Hmm....  Nice changing wife to family in your statment about owning the Henz company (Isn't it Heinz?).  Did you make a boo boo and realize that you were posting false information?

And it's his wife that owns it, not his family.
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What are you 6? I just provided evidence for WMDs and a possible source of where those WMDs could be in Iraq. If I am to contrast your orginal arguement, how am I to know its true? Oh I will go by the word of a little boy who doesn't even know how to spell kuwait or Shiite
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-05 at 15:15:06
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jul 5 2005, 11:50 AM)
What are you 6?  I just provided evidence for WMDs and a possible source of where those WMDs could be in Iraq.  If I am to contrast your orginal arguement, how am I to know its true?  Oh I will go by the word of a little boy who doesn't even know how to spell kuwait or Shiite
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I was in the middle of my post jackass. And if you wouldn't go through and change everything you wrote cause you found messups in it while i'm in the middle of posting, then you wouldn't have to complain about how you proved it. Cause when I was posting, you didn't have that site link, you only had:

QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris)
We went in there thinking there were WMDs. Right now we can't find them. You are also old news. We have freed a people that were murdered each day and is it false to say that our presence in Iraq is attracting terrorists away from American soil?


And then why I was posting, you went in and added this:

QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris)
BUt we were attacked by WMDs stupid: http://www.ngwrc.org/index.cfm?Page=Article&ID=861


So before you even try to say you "proved" it to make me look like an idiot (Only after I had said prove it, you go in and change it around. Is this how you argue with someone? Once they say something, you go and change it?) Don't go and change what you say to make other people look like idiots.

And i'm not six like you (Well, you act like it. "I'm right, you're wrong" is the equal behavior of a six year old) happen to believe I am, I am 18.

And like I have said many times, who cares if I cannot spell? At least I can get my point across without having to make up words (worser???)

And who cares about spell check? I don't really use it because I can get my point across with misspelled words. Most of my words are spelt correctly anyway (With the ocasional misspelling of countries and religions)

Edit: Cause if you look at the quote I got from you, you will clearly see that you added that link in.... disgust.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-07-05 at 15:26:09
Chris, when you say "doing business" do you mean selling ketchup and other tasty condiments? Lol. Brb, my cat is humping my leg.

Alright, do you mean to tell me that Bush Sr. actually supported Saddam's decision to invade Kuwait? Even provided that it was only because Saddam had been at war with the Iranians, that puts a whole new light on everything.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-05 at 15:27:57
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jul 5 2005, 11:15 AM)
I was in the middle of my post jackass.  And if you wouldn't go through and change everything you wrote cause you found messups in it while i'm in the middle of posting, then you wouldn't have to complain about how you proved it.  Cause when I was posting, you didn't have that site link, you only had:
So before you even try to say you "proved" it to make me look like an idiot (Only after I had said prove it, you go in and change it around.  Is this how you argue with someone?  Once they say something, you go and change it?) Don't go and change what you say to make other people look like idiots.

And i'm not six like you (Well, you act like it.  "I'm right, you're wrong" is the equal behavior of a six year old) happen to believe I am, I am 18.

And like I have said many times, who cares if I cannot spell?  At least I can get my point across without having to make up words (worser???)

And who cares about spell check?  I don't really use it because I can get my point across with misspelled words.  Most of my words are spelt correctly anyway (With the ocasional misspelling of countries and religions)

Edit:  Cause if you look at the quote I got from you, you will clearly see that you added that link in.... disgust.gif
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I corrected my post at 10:40, you posted at 10:44. I forgot to add in link becuase I have posted it many times and for some reason no one is talking to me about it.

Im telling you, the sky is green O_O
Report, edit, etc...Posted by scwizard on 2005-07-05 at 15:38:51
whats really stupid though is the amount of innocent civilians that have been killed
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-05 at 20:16:24
QUOTE(EzDay2 @ Jul 5 2005, 11:38 AM)
whats really stupid though is the amount of innocent civilians that have been killed
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Ya it sucks, America is trying to do a job by killing terrorists and there is always civilians around. It sucks that terrorists dress up as civilians and don't even represent them selfs officially ( as in uniforms). Many of those civilian deaths now are caused by insurgents targeting Iraqi Police and government officials. And the bombing on the election day.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-07-05 at 20:23:40
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jul 1 2005, 04:07 PM)
true, but I think 1,700 doesn't sound as bad as 3,000.  I mean, thats why sale prices are always 19.99, which sounds better then 20 dollars.
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This has no relation, but things like the price matter.

Stuff that costs $X.87 cannot be bought by store emplyees.
$X.97 can only be bought by managers and the public.
$X.99 can be bought by anyone.

At least that's how it was at Sport Challet...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-07-05 at 20:25:50
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Stuff that costs $X.87 cannot be bought by store emplyees.
$X.97 can only be bought by managers and the public.
$X.99 can be bought by anyone.


What's the point of that? Why specify who can and can't buy an item...
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