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Uhh Actually no. Its more like 3-5 born at every person who dies. If its 1 to 1, I do not see how we could have ever gotten to billions.

I know we already got Hydrogen cars already planned, but not many people at resorting are that. A second planet to deplete resources?! Theres not even any planet in this solar system that we could go live on except Mars. Even if there were more, I believe we would have learnt our mistakes with Earth and how bad we screwed it up.
Hmm..The fact is, at the rate the population is growing(And its growing fast), It will not be possible to feed everybody =/. Even now, many countries are in need of food. Call the food source what you want, but the fact is not the whole world is recieving food, to top it off, our population is growing considerably fast.

We lived on Earth for over 2000+ years, if we can live on Mars for that long, I'm sure they'll find another planet by then.

So what if people aren't resorting to hydrogen cars, they can have fun pushing their gas cars when we're all out of oil.

We have lots of room, and remember there IS another planet to begin growing food on.

And what of all these nukes? Someone's gonna use one and there's your population issue walking away!

Oh sure, the population issue just walks away? The Nuke will not only destroy a big part of humanity but also destroy all of the nature in there including animals and prohibit anyone from ever entering the land. Radioactivity will make a big paremter around the targeted area. Even the people not hit by the nuke will be hit by the radioactivity if they are 500 kilometers away too. Idk if its more, but its around there.
Its funny the way you say it, Its not as simple by the way. The fact that Oil will deplete soon, its gonna create an economical crash. Many things are still dependant of oil Atm. And sorry but..uhh..We cannot get out of this galaxy to find an other planet. Even if we did manage to science fictionally travel to an other galaxy, chances are no planet will have the right conditions. Earth really was practically one of a kind and we are destroying it.

You know what? BULL :poo:. It takes a LONG time to evolve, bud. MAYBE, if those cows are lucky and have some selective breeding going on, they could slightly improve in a hundred years. But if we let them run wild, it'll take a helluva a long time for cows to evolve.

Unless of course, you have an example of a cow-sized animal that evolved uber quickly without human intervention.

How have we destroyed this planet radioactivly? There hasnt' been anything Radioactive happening since the nuclear meltdown of that russian power plant. Did you know radiation disapates after 50 years.....?????

Sure, there will be billions and billions and even BILLIONS or more people. But do you know how much space we have in the world? We could take everyone in the whole world, put them a foot apart from each other, and they would fit in Rhode Island (Hmm.... Overpopulation....?)

And did you not listen to what I told you? WE HAVE ENOUGH FOOD!

Oil will not run out for another 100-200 years. Where do you get all this bull :poo:?

The only thing that is damaging the environment is envo's like yourself.

When you can PROVE all this :poo: to me, i'll believe you. But until then, quit saying your bull :poo: on this thread when you have no idea wtf you are talking about.

Population wouldn't be a problem if people would give up luxuries. If we irrigated the deserts and people moved there and the population density was higher, it'd be a LOT less of a problem.

And food won't be a problem till population is a problem.

As for oil, I don't know who to believe.

Why are you guys babbeling about nukes...? There probibly will never be a nuclear attack because it is against the Geniva Convention. Sure, there are maniacs that will threaten us with nukes, but they aren't STUPID ENOUGH (Like some people I know) to actually go through it because they will have no allies and the whole world will be against them.

ON TOPIC

Vegietarianism is not bad, it's just strange. Let them vegieists eat what they want and babble about what they want. The world is full of more meat eaters then vegies so oh :censored:ing well!

good point. let them do what they want. its not un-natural, cus there are creaturs out there that DO eat nothing but veggitation. its not like we are going against nature or anything. why do you car what they eat? what people eat is there own bussnis. just like what god they pray to, if they keep it to themselfs and dont preach it to everyone, then im just fine.

I don't think anyone said eating only vegetables is unnatural. Most of the arguing is defending eating meat, because Parthx believes eating meat is wrong. People can believe what they want, but you can't impress your beliefs upon someone else, especially without much evidence.

Here's where it started for me:

exactly....

Go on google and write Oil Peak.

Theres a link right here I found for you:

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

By the way, you do not listen to what I'm saying, your extremely stubborn. There isn't enough food for the whole world, not every country has enough food as it is. And at the rate its going, the population is increasing considerably fast and not enough food will be able to be distrubuted to everyone.
By the way, Envos like myself? Your the one supporting oil if I'm not mistaken.

O by the way, you keep mentioning what I say is Bull but you do not even take the time to verify if what I say is true, don't reply in this topic if you cannot even be serious enough to check out info instead of saying what comes out of your.. I'll leave it there.

ADDITION:


Did you somehow skip to my post? Because I was replying to someone because he specificly mentioned Nukes. Please read carefully before replying just for the sake of replying?

Usually I would think vegetarians would often be very hungry throughout the day. They dont really much solid stuff or things that last in your stomach for a while.

About humans still needing electricity:
Humans wouldn't need it if we were pure herbavors, tools came as a result of needing to hunt for meat, noway man woulda thought of tools when he could just pick at least with his hands for food.

Also, basic surviving thoughts are not sentient action, they are suvival instimcts. Sentient thought goes beyond plain survival.
Good example, your vegetarian ideas. I don't see lions refusing to eat meat, now do I?

Why worry about oil and population, it'll all be gone in a matter of years. Our ozone layer is 1/4 of an inch or maybe even else. Thats how the world will end, besides, we can live without oil, you act like oil is used to pump blood.

Lets get back on topic btw!

Infested, did humans discover electricity because they ate meat? I think not.

Lions don't think as much as we do, and they NEED to feed off of meat. They can't get fruits and berries. They need apposable thumbs.

I'm sure if they DID have opposable thumbs, they would eat berries eh?

And as for the end of oil, hydrogen fuel cells are starting to become a big thing.

Ozone layer? Unless there is a way to replenish it, we can kill ourselves now.

ADDITION: I did a little more homework on the Ozone layer, and I'm surprised but happy to say that internationally, many nations united to stop CFC production, bringing a sharp decline to the depletion of the ozone layer. Also, the ozone layer's thickness varies with season and closeness to the equator.

Parthx, not to be rude or anything but yes. We did discover Electricity because we ate meat. Back in the 1800's, there were no Vitamin Pills to make up for the lack of Vitamins in your body. Everyone back in that day ate meat. There were no Vegeterians in those days.

Which brings me back to the Vitamin B12. There is no Vitamin B12 in Vegies. B12 can only be found in meat. And like I said before, B12 is essential to the brain because it helps the Thought Process.

Now tell me Parthx. If Mr. Bell or Mr. Newton, Or Mr. Franklin didn't eat meat, would we be as advanced as we are today? And please try not to avoid the question

And Parthx. Lions think a lot. If anything besides humans had opposable thumbs, they would be more advanced then they are now.

Well Monkeys have opposable thumbs! Yes, but their brain doesn't think like us because they don't eat meat. It all goes back to the B12 Vitamin. It stimulates the thought process, thus making us think about things. Monkeys and all the "Orangatang" (However you spell that) usually don't eat meat, and only eat plants, berries anf vegies. So do you really want to downgrade back to the chimps?



Oil doesn't matter. By the time it runs out, we will have at least three new ways of getting around without it.

You're right about the Ozone. But Parthx is wrong. The Ozone will not die out. That is a thing scientists say to scare everyone into quitting production of CFC (Chloral-Floral-Carbons or something like that. I think that is what it is, but I may be off spelling a bit) CFCs do harm the Ozone, but not enough to kill it off completely.

Just because there is "A hole" in the Ozone above Antarctica, doesn't mean jack dittilly squat.

Well, The O-Zone may not die out because the oil will be long gone before we achieve that but there is a hole and its reached a point where its not going to heal.

On Topic: I think we should be able to eat meat, its a natural part of life. The problem here is, We abused. Somehow..us humans evolved and broke apart from nature's natural way of life. We've developed easier and faster ways to kill animals and we've exported animals out of their habitat to a new one. The fact that we were able to break apart from nature and become different, Our population isn't affected anymore by nature's food chain. Because we have a growing population and we have the tools to kill animals instantly, we do it. We even have sports which kill animals. This is the abusing part. Thats whats wrong. Eating Animals was originally and is something healthy and natural. It also used to be for survival, now its something used for sports, clothing and food. These three factors added to an immense population still growing. Thats the abuse.

How is population growing, abusing anything? The world will never be overpopulated, there is to much space!

And we "abuse" animals becase we use them for food? And we use them for clothing? And we have sports (Which are illegal mind you) that "Kill" them?

Oooooooookaaaaaaaaay.............

n ow, not ALL are illegal. the bull fight in spain is compleatly leagal. but that it is the onlhy one that i know of. you dont see any tree huggers fighting FOR the bull do you? nope, thats cus it is a very old ritual that will never change. so.......yeah that was my 2 bits.

Pathx, you grossly misunderstood me.
Without meat, there wouldn't be a need for electricity, computers, tools, cars, higher thinking, smileies, dungeons and dragons books, toilets, model airplanes, books, literature, space shuttles, this argument for vegitarianism, or any "Modern" ideals.
Need for meat doesn't grow you thumbs.
About monkeys, theya re Omnivores, likes humans, but instead of actual red meat, they eat bugs (Which is technicly an Insectavore, but can classify chimps as Omnivores.)
Deer, moose, rabbits, horses, oxen, donkies, cows, sheep, wild pigs (Domesticated ones will eat just about anything you give them, except maybe pork?) don't have thumbs, and eat leaves and such, need I add, giraffes (Spelling?), elephants (They use a trunk like a hand, kinda), and some dinosaurs.
Humans developed hands to climb. We then got tools so we could hunt. Simple.
Chimps have hands, and use tools. But not to totaly hunt. The extent is opening doors in reserch facileties, playing with human stuff, and using trigs in teh wild to get ants or whatever into their mouths. Nests are pure survival instinct. As are dens and mole holes in your front yard.
Although I must say this, wondering wether an animal really has feelinsg or not is a sentient action. So we ever see Grissly Bears wondering what are feelinsg are?
No, mostly it's a:
1: MAternal Instinct
2: Territorial Problem
3: Fear
That leads them to attack, be wary, or just shamble off.

They don't think:
Oooh a human, I wonder if he'd mind If I killed him and ate his meat because he is within twenty feet of my cubs, and I'm hungry from four months of sleeping and living off fat.

Not really. Someday chimps might make the connection to becoming sentient, but not today, but do we hunt chimps, no.
The fact is, wether sentient or not, evolution forced us to eat meat, and because of it we created tools, and those animals, as of now, are food, and to survive we need food. What if plants are truly thinking, but unable to move? (Opposite of my cat, for example.)
Don't get into the whole "Cats and Dogs have feelings" a dog is descended from wolves, and they have a big clan structure, (I didn't dare try to spell hierarchy.)
but they don't worry about pollution, other species, ect. About cats, they learned most responses from their mothers, and how to get food from unwitting people (In other words, me and everyone who hears her wake the dead with her siamese yowl.) So stop crying ariver over the animal's feelings, make a bridge, and get over it.

About mad cow:
Mad Cow came from humans feeding cows other cow's brain material. SOme portein in that material caused a mutation in cows, which passed to humans. Our fault really, but not a call for vegitarian movements. The less we make cows become canibals, even though they could care less, the less mad cow will come around.

umm.....what dose meat have to do with all of this?

Without meat, there wouldn't be a need for electricity, computers, tools, cars, higher thinking, smileies, dungeons and dragons books, toilets, model airplanes, books, literature, space shuttles, this argument for vegitarianism, or any "Modern" ideals.

that made no sence......but then i saw that you decided to wright a book, so i stopped reading. you may have explaind yourself further in said book......but i coudl care less. please, further down the road........make your posts shorter. this way, people will read them. nd we avoid confusion, cus noone wants to go to a web site.....and read a book.

why don't you leave

this is ment for serious lengthy discussion. he has the right to post a essay if he wants as long as he stays on topic and you will be warned / suspended / banned for spam posts like your current one. so just leave him alone.

*note* this wasn't supposed to be mean i was just telling you so you dont get warned or in trouble in the future

I'm not sure who durk-A-dur's post was replying to. But anyway the post he was talking about might have been over elaborated with lots of useless information. I do think a nice and concise argument is more effective than a long one with tons of useless information.

And while n2o is giving durk-A-dur advice, I would also like to say could you clean up your grammar/spelling or sentence structure a bit? The last paragraph in that reply was sort of confusing.

yes , i realize that i have a problem with spelling and the like, but i could really care less right now. my last post was regarding Infested-Jerk's post. it was overly long, full of useless information, and was just boring.

i'm glad your trying to help me out,n2o-PiMpSoNs and devilesk, i don't think i will.

my post was not off topic. i was asking what anything he said in the first part of his post had to do with meat?


what dose that have to do with people who eat meat? are you saying that vegetarians cant form complex thoughts? that was all i was trying to say, but it didn't go across like i wanted it to. i'm sorry for any confusion.

He's not saying that they couldn't evolve complex thinking, but really that there isn't a NEED for one. I don't think humans would have evolved higher intelligence if it didn't give them an advantage, and having intelligence is the best advantage for hunting for meat. Eating meat doesn't directly relate to say discovering electricity, but he's trying to make the connection with eating meat to evolving the ability TO discover electricity.