Staredit Network

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Don't change the Subject, It doesn't change a Thing if Evidence prooves that the Government had something behind it. Hmm, FEMA Was there the day before 9/11, on 9/11, Had all the Rubble Trucked and destroyed before anyone could conduct an Investigation. Strange don't you think?
Ya, maybe, but what is the end result? The war with iraq. Either way, they were able to Convince the public pretty quickly that they had to go to Iraq.

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Also, If you are any Serious about the Debate, you should atleast have the deceny to Read what I offered, if any doubts in place, Research about it. For example, He mentioned a Fire that occured in the past, Where it was Blazing with fire, Much more terrible than in 9/11, had lasted 19 hours. Verify if this is true, the Internet is a wide Network. I mean, All you manage to say Kellimus, Is.. It doesn't sound very Reliable. Thats just so Childish, I bet you didn't even read it. Therefore, I suggest you don't post in the debate, Because your not serious enough to read an Opposant's, or ally's Information as a whole. I mean really, If you Have doubts that all the info is Correct or partially true, Research about the specific things he said. If you don't, Don't bother replying in this Debate.
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Then why is our country in record breaking debt?  Why is inflation on the rise?
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Awwww...  Did I hurt your feel goods because I pointed out that your only source of information is not reliable?  And this site: http://www.americanam.com/2005/06/wtc.html is not reliable, either.

It's called looking at the very, very bottom of the page.  We learned that in Senior English class when looking for reliable sites.

Ad Hoc Hominem Abusive.

I agree that the thing was a setup.  But I don't go around trying to prove something I cannot. THAT is childish.

And in response to: "Ya, maybe, but what is the end result? The war with iraq. Either way, they were able to Convince the public pretty quickly that they had to go to Iraq."

Haven't you noticed that the general populus of the United States consists of Idiots?  People who cannot think for themselves? Hell.  They care about celebrities more than their own farking children.  That is pathetic.
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How could you beleive that it was a conspiracy? The military is reliant on the national economy, so they would not destroy something so key to their own income.
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Also, In response to this: "They care about celebrities more than their own farking children. That is pathetic."

??????? And you Obtained this information from where?? Please, Stereotypicness that for one, Is Blatantly wrong and not even Statistics can claim it true, Make you look Redicule. ALSO, They are not Pretty stupid, They were also Manipulated by this " War on terror " Theme the government had them go through. Considering the Fact that Supposedly, terrorists had destroyed their towers.

Cronus, I don't know, I frankly do not know the answer. But I know somehow, that they are gaining from this in some way. Since all the evidence is pointing that way. And no, I havn't only read the link I sent you guys and based my conclusion on that, I've also seen Many videos on this, Aswell as Other people's perspective on this issue.

You just have to Realize, that Its not that *Simple* to make a building pancake on itself, Especially a Steel one. The Fires were Reported to be weak, and getting weaker the minute. In less than 20 minutes, The whole thing collapsed into fine dust, Which was quickly removed by FEMA before any Investigation could take place.
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Wait wait wait...  You give us all this "reliable" information, yet you don't even know the answer?

And hold a moment.  Chemical fires are weak?  Especially jumbo jet fuel? Weak fires put out as much smoke as those did?

Collapsed into a fine dust..  Hmm...  Looks to me, that fire fighters, were climbing up rubble to put an American flag at the highest point of the rubble.  That is fine dust?  And are you saying, that they removed dust?  How can you remove dust from the scene of a tragedy?  Dust floats in air, so you cannot "remove" it from the scene.

And quickly removed?  Of course it was quickly removed.  Do you think that New York want's to keep debris piled up for months?  fark no!  They are going to remove it as fast as possible, so their traffic does not get backed up.

Haven't you heard of Test Labs?  The investigations usually are not done on site.  They are relocated to labs, where they have all the time in the world, to look at chemicals, look at damages, and other various investigational things
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Stereotypicness? Wtf is that? Oh. So you're saying I stereotype people, because you can go to any store in the US, and find racks, and racks of magazines, that only talk about Celebrities? And I can switch to the E (Entertainment) channel, and hear all about celebrities? I stereotype?

That is not stereotyping, it's common sense. Most of the American Populus, are obsessed with celebrities.

Want to know where I came up with the idea about people caring about celebrities more than their own children? Hmm.. Local stations running a promotional campaign with celebrities asking a bunch of questions about themselves (What movie did I play on. What part did I play on. Blah blah blah) then asking one simple question such as this: "Who sit's behind your child in home room?"

If America cared about their own children, they would be able to answer this.
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What are you talking about? What does me not being capable to answer the quesiton Cronus Asked even have to with the 9/11 collapse? I don't understand you, really. MAKE SOME Sense for ONCE! It really does not take Alot to figure out that the fires were getting weaker. They were not even manifested in the whole Infrastructure. The Smoke was a sign of suffocation of the fire. I mean, Really, There can be alot of smoke, But that does not change a thing, That it takes *WAY* more fire and a much stronger one too. The One that was seen in 9/11 is a joke compared to cases that have happened in the past. Don't you read the Posts? I've repeated this a MILLION times. Cases in the past, Which I now see I will infact have to proove, Have had Much worse fires, Yet did not Collapse. *AND THEY DID NOT HAVE SUCH HUGE STEEL BEAMS, AND NOT AS STRONG STEEL BEAMS AS THOSE THAT THE TOWERS DID* And they Lasted Day/s With the fire Blazing inside, Yet did not collapse. The Towers, Whom had not Moved, Were capable to sustain many times its own weight, Fell so quickly after the fire started, Which yes, Was a weak one. Its only a matter of looking at the video, Flames were not manifested everywhere, neither were they big.

Learn to read, I've Mentioned so many things that you've ignored. Yet I have to repeat for it to get through.

"Collapsed into a fine dust..  Hmm...  Looks to me, that fire fighters, were climbing up rubble to put an American flag at the highest point of the rubble.  That is fine dust?  And are you saying, that they removed dust?  How can you remove dust from the scene of a tragedy?  Dust floats in air, so you cannot "remove" it from the scene."

Please, Don't try to make a fool of yourself, Dust, Nothing concrete. You can verify yourself about this. Atleast, they might've found Peices of Concrete, But Mostly, everything was Pulverized.

"And quickly removed?  Of course it was quickly removed.  Do you think that New York want's to keep debris piled up for months?  fark no!  They are going to remove it as fast as possible, so their traffic does not get backed up.

Haven't you heard of Test Labs?  The investigations usually are not done on site.  They are relocated to labs, where they have all the time in the world, to look at chemicals, look at damages, and other various investigational things"

Actually, They Didn't move it to Labs. You see, this is what I hate about Debating with you Kellimus, or Chris sometimes for that matter. You say anything for the sake of arguing, you don't even know much of what happened, Neither do you research it. You just Blatantly answer my questions with anything you can think of, thinking this is sort of fun for me? To answer your questions of something you think is what happened? No, they did not send the Material to the labs, It was quickly *DESTROYED*, they also took 2 weeks to send someone to go investigate. Like, FEMA was in NEW YORK the day BEFORE 9/11, Very coincidental.

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Ok Ok???? What are you trying to prove? What does this have to do with the Towers? And yes, its Stereotyping. Not everyone is the way you described it. Man, Once again though, Why do you try to Debate something, That for one..Again, you havn't even researched probably, Beacause, Its...just so blatantly wrong(Because you havn't given any concrete evidence, you just said something you might have seen on tv) and once again, Why are you shifting away from the topic?
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Hmm..  I try to understand you.. But your missuse of grammer rules makes it so I can't understand.  Learn to speak well.

And I do make sense.  You're just to stubborn to listen to what I have to say because, "You're right, i'm wrong"

NOW!  Quit with your damned Logical Fallacies!
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? What do you mean you can't understand? Is this a pathetic attempt to try to avoid answering what I said? The only thing you can complain of in my missuse of grammer, would be the useless capitals I put a bit everywhere. I don't know why, I just seem to have the habit to do so. Seriously, what are you talking about though? Incredible what someone can say to try to avoid answering questions.
Also Kellimus, What exactly do you have to say? Your evidence is lacking, I don't think I can even google what you said and find a link with that information. So far, You've mentioned that the whole American populace cares more about the celebrities than their own child and you show no proof. From there, You suppose I'm going to say, your right? Even there, What exactly have you said about 9/11? The Debris going to the labs? Oh, care to even find me a link to evidential information pointing that? You see Kellimus, you lack evidence is in every debate you've had. To top that off, you think I'm being stubborn? How exactly am I being stubborn? Care to outline the areas in which I failed to admit your  "being right"? Even there though, you've ignored almost all the points in my debate. You answer with something you took from the top of your head, without researching.
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When you actually have a post with no logical fallacies in it, I shall try to debate you

Now quit with the Ad Hoc Hominem Abusive already.  It makes you noobish.

Edit:  Do you even know what FEMA means?  You sure seem to like to use it, and you sure "know everything" about it, too.

It is a Federal thing.  So of course they are going to be first on the scene, and are going to quickly remove everything, it's called common sense.

Now.  When you can quit with the Ad Hoc Homonim Abusive, is when you should talk again.
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This photograph shows the south tower just as it is collapsing. It is evident that the building is falling over to the left. The North Tower collapsed directly downwards, on top of itself.

Next, (looking through the general smoke) an intermediate set of "puff lines" of smoke are uniquely seen - ABOVE the aircraft impact entry hole - from the top floor, down to the impact point. The "puff lines" extend along the entire floor line, escaping from the windows, of course. Those unique uniform linear "puff lines" are the smoking gun, as the "puff line" can ONLY occur, if the floor BELOW the "puff line" is solid, allowing the necessary compression, which pushes the smoke outward. No solid floor = NO "PUFF."

Huh? How am I being Ad Hoc Hominem? You might want to research that too and learn its proper meaning? You were Ad Hominem yourself ( Example: I will not even bother to read the Link Aikanaro gave me because it *Looks* totally unreliable). How I was Ad Hoc Hominem, I have no idea, care to explain or outline the area in which I was? You seem to have ignored that part of what I said too. You find ways to Discredit "Me" as a person, rather than to find defects in my argument.

In Response to: "It is a Federal thing.  So of course they are going to be first on the scene, and are going to quickly remove everything, it's called common sense."

Yes, Indeed, But how come they were in New York the day before 9/11? And why did they destroy the Rubble before any investigation could take place?

Also, Please be gone with the Personal flames to me. It just proves to show you cannot answer my debate points.
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Tsk tsk tsk...  How are you being Ad Hoc Hominem Abusive?  Hmm...  I'm not going to go through and quote you because it's a waist of time.  But i'll point out exactly how you did it: Attacking ME instead of the debate

Good enough?

And I did read your link.  I read all of it.  But when you look at the very, very bottom, and it is done by ONE individual, that discredits ANYTHING the site says.  Maybe if it was a known orginization, I would say it was creditable.

Again, must I repeat myself?  You attacked ME instead of the debate.  Causing the Ad Hoc Homonim Abusive.

And also.  Never once did I try to discredit you as a person. I discredited your sources because they are unreliable, and uncreditable.  Why do you ignore what I say about how to .  Show me where I have discredited "you".  And I found defects in your debate throughout the whole thing.  You posted unreliable sources, and tried to claim that they know everything.  Your post is full of logical fallacies, also.  Is that not enough defects for you?

And do you not know, that the investigation started right as the towers were bombed?
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Also Kellimus, in a Debate, you cannot stand on two sides. You have to be one one. As of now, I'm not sure which one you are on. I thought you support the conspiracy behind 9/11, I'm not sure anymore. If you could clarify, it would be great.
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Uhhh... why should he be president if he does a lousy job?
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Apperantly, you ignored me saying, "You're trying to prove something you cannot.  THAT is childish"

It's called being Neutral.  Is that a crime to agree with both sides of the debate when they have good points??
According to you it is.
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Sorry, Could you elaborate what This has to do with what I said: "You're trying to prove something you cannot.THAT is childish"? I'm not very sure. Also, Its fine, you can be neutral. I never claimed it to be a crime, But in a real debate, you cannot be neutral. But your thoughts in this 9/11 disaster can be neutral, no problem.
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You cannot prove it was a setup, because people are sheep.  They follow what everyone in authority says.

Ergo, "It was terrorists!" says Bush. American people: *Applause* "We know it was because you said it was!"

So basically, it's pointless to argue against something that you can't prove.  Just believe it and quit trying to make everyone else believe something that cannot be proven.
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Well kellimus it wasn't just bush, many special forces and CIA people not with Bush have said it was terrorists.
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