Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-21 at 23:00:17
I hope he's being sarcastic...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-11-22 at 20:14:06
MP)Shorty = Religious Nut.
Why? Bible is not true. I hope you arent telling me that two people had tons of babies and that all of the world is inbreeding, and that Pi is 3, or that the world is flat, or perhaps you are attempting to tell me that one man can part a sea.
Why? Bible is not true. I hope you arent telling me that two people had tons of babies and that all of the world is inbreeding, and that Pi is 3, or that the world is flat, or perhaps you are attempting to tell me that one man can part a sea.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-11-22 at 20:59:51
As Minimoose2707 said before, the Bible contains religious truths, not necessarily truths in general (like scientific ones.)
Oh, the Bible says that Pi is 3 and that the World is flat? I'd like to know which books, which chapters, and which verses mention that in the Bible, please.
Oh, the Bible says that Pi is 3 and that the World is flat? I'd like to know which books, which chapters, and which verses mention that in the Bible, please.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by UN-Rommel on 2005-11-22 at 21:29:12
I don't believe everything from the bible. I think the big bang created the planets and the moons. I am somewhat piscopellian and somewhat athiest. That is my view of it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-11-23 at 14:25:32
There is no reason that religious people shouldn't believe in scientific theories. Why? God created the universe, and thus, the physics that govern it. Thus, God and Science should technically live side by side rather than head to head.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2005-11-23 at 14:30:56
People like myself reject that there is any such thing as a God, and thus the scientific fields of study are not investigations into some things that have been planted in a grand design, but natural occurences that have come to be studied and [partially] understood.
Also, it occurred to me that I had/have you on my SC friend list. Operation Tanngost rang a bell.
Also, it occurred to me that I had/have you on my SC friend list. Operation Tanngost rang a bell.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-11-23 at 20:21:25
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Nov 23 2005, 02:25 PM)
There is no reason that religious people shouldn't believe in scientific theories. Why? God created the universe, and thus, the physics that govern it. Thus, God and Science should technically live side by side rather than head to head.
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That's a good point. But it makes you wonder why they ARE head to head.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-23 at 22:46:49
Creationism V Evolution
The bible contradicts too many scientific facts and theories.
The bible contradicts too many scientific facts and theories.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-11-24 at 00:48:27
QUOTE(Shapechanger @ Nov 23 2005, 09:46 PM)
Creationism V Evolution
The bible contradicts too many scientific facts and theories.
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The bible contradicts too many scientific facts and theories.
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How so? Because the Bible "says" that the Earth, animals, and plants were made in six Earth days?
If so, then that's not a Bible Contradiction; it's a contradiction of the Interpretation of the Bible. I think Creationism is wrong in the way that they interpret the Creation of the Earth in Genesis to be six Earth days. The Bible only says "days" but on one of those "days," the Sun was made and THEN earth days actually existed. It also hints that these "days" were according to God's time, which are significantly longer than ours. We don't know how long these days are, but whatever their time length is, it's definately a long long time, which is enough for things like evolution to occur IMO.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-24 at 11:39:55
Anything can be interpretted as anything.
Sorry to say, but it's true.
Sorry to say, but it's true.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-11-24 at 18:25:24
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How so? Because the Bible "says" that the Earth, animals, and plants were made in six Earth days?
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Ok. Adam and Eve had two sons. One son killed the other. Either Adam and Eve had lots of babies so that all humanity existed, or Eve and her son had lots of babies. Either way, all of us are inbreeding/incestual if this is true.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-11-24 at 20:08:17
QUOTE(Shapechanger @ Nov 24 2005, 10:39 AM)
Anything can be interpretted as anything.
Sorry to say, but it's true.
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Sorry to say, but it's true.
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Yea but IMO I believe it's a wrong interpretation though.
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Nov 24 2005, 05:25 PM)
Ok. Adam and Eve had two sons. One son killed the other. Either Adam and Eve had lots of babies so that all humanity existed, or Eve and her son had lots of babies. Either way, all of us are inbreeding/incestual if this is true.
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We've already discussed this:
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopi...ndpost&p=341367
And about the incestuality:
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopi...ndpost&p=341392
Report, edit, etc...Posted by guardien on 2005-11-24 at 21:33:08
Well, I don't believe the bible. I just know that, should god actually exist, and treats everyone fairly, as long as you do not sin, you will not be punished. Now, look at a leader, and his people dieing. Are they dieing because he did something bad, or did all of his people sin. Neither. I'f you believe the bible or religion plain and simple, you will think that the leader sinned. However, it is stated everywhere you look that god will treat you fairly. Well, that ain't very fair to me. Maybe the bible just didn't turn out how it was supposed to be then. The bible is just a good storyr book, that noble children and the such keeped it and took it literaly through all their life. Or some drunk guy made the bible. Actually, i shouldn't say that. (looks around seeing glaring eyes at him).
Just like Greek Mytholigy, but:
Same crap, different pile.
There, that's my two cents and a half.
(I did not actually mean to insult anyone, but i felt like I was on a roll. I'm sure you feel the same way, sincerily(?).)
Just like Greek Mytholigy, but:
Same crap, different pile.
There, that's my two cents and a half.
(I did not actually mean to insult anyone, but i felt like I was on a roll. I'm sure you feel the same way, sincerily(?).)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-25 at 02:03:46
I don't understand why nobody appreciates that the Bible is just like Greek Mythology. Just like the followers of Christianity beleive the words of the Bible, so did the Greeks beleive in the Gods.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ... on 2005-11-26 at 10:19:40
QUOTE(MiLlEnNiUmArMy @ Nov 24 2005, 12:48 AM)
How so? Because the Bible "says" that the Earth, animals, and plants were made in six Earth days?
If so, then that's not a Bible Contradiction; it's a contradiction of the Interpretation of the Bible. I think Creationism is wrong in the way that they interpret the Creation of the Earth in Genesis to be six Earth days. The Bible only says "days" but on one of those "days," the Sun was made and THEN earth days actually existed. It also hints that these "days" were according to God's time, which are significantly longer than ours. We don't know how long these days are, but whatever their time length is, it's definately a long long time, which is enough for things like evolution to occur IMO.
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If so, then that's not a Bible Contradiction; it's a contradiction of the Interpretation of the Bible. I think Creationism is wrong in the way that they interpret the Creation of the Earth in Genesis to be six Earth days. The Bible only says "days" but on one of those "days," the Sun was made and THEN earth days actually existed. It also hints that these "days" were according to God's time, which are significantly longer than ours. We don't know how long these days are, but whatever their time length is, it's definately a long long time, which is enough for things like evolution to occur IMO.
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It HAS to be real days because plants were made before the sun and moon. Otherwise the plants will die. It's a fact that plants can survive without light for about less than 1 day.
Also there's one thing I want to say: IT IS NEVER AGAINST THE LAW TO TEACH THE BIBLE OR CREATIONISM IN SCHOOLS!
Also below is a proof that evolution is full of holes.
1)There are 6 basic concepts of evoultion.
Cosmic Evolution
Chemical Evolution
Evolution of Stars and Planets from Gas
Organic Evolution
Macro-Evolution
Micro-Evolution
The last one has been observed so the first 5 is believed in faith.
2)Lucy the oldest known ancestor of humans is 2.9 million years old.
Only 2.9 Million? Richard Leakey found a normal human skull under a layer of rock dated at 212 million years. Now, most experts agree that Lucy is just an unusual chimpanzee not a missing link.
3)Removed because the graph was taken off.
4)Scientists tell the age of fossils since they know the age of the layer of rock where they were found.
Isn't that circular reasoning? Petrified trees are often found going through many of the layers. Some are even upside down. Thus, running through millions of years worth of rock.
5)Human embryos have gill slits proving man evolved through the fish stage millions of years ago!
Earnst Haeckel made up those drawings in 1869 and they were proven to be wrong in 1874. Those folds of skins are not gills. They grow into bones in the ear and glands in the throat.
6)Vestigial organs like the human tail bone prove we evolved from animals with tails!
There are nine muscles that attach to the tail bone, it is not "vestigial"!
7)Whales have a vestigial pelivs. This proves that they evolved from a land dwelling creature.
Those bones serve as anchor points for muscles. Without them whales cannot reproduce. They have nothing to do with walking on land. Even if there were "vestigial" organs, isn't losing something the opposite of evolution?
8)The binding force of the atom is gluons.
Gluons are a made-up dream. No one has seen or even measured them. They don't exist. It's a desperate theory to explain away truth!
9)You all know that the electrons of the atom whirl around the necleus billions of times every millionth of a second, and that the nucleus of the atom consists of particles called neutrons and protons. Neutrons have no electrical charge and are therefore neutal. But, protons have positive charges. One law of electricity is: LIKE CHARGES REPEL EACH OTHER! Since all the protons in the nucelus are positively charged, they should repel each other and scatter into space.
If gluons aren't the answer... what is?
10)What is thoughts such as dreams, etc. made of? Not made from but made of.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-11-26 at 12:50:29
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I don't understand why nobody appreciates that the Bible is just like Greek Mythology. Just like the followers of Christianity beleive the words of the Bible, so did the Greeks beleive in the Gods.
It's the only religion that has even the slightest chance of being true.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-11-26 at 13:26:10
... What's preventing others from being true?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-11-26 at 13:42:15
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... What's preventing others from being true?
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I believe he says that because most things in chrisianity are based on things that wouldn't exactly be difficult to achive. Such as turning water into wine. Cheap parlor trick.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-11-26 at 21:20:52
While other religions are based on Many Gods that are not spiritual, but rather solid and human like who fight and have wars (Hindu and Greek); made by a person's opinion (Buddhism [In Hindu or Christianity it's not just one founder]); Christianity is based on love and forgiveness..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2005-11-26 at 22:24:57
ROFL
Love and forgiveness? I'm sure raining fire on a city was a powerful sign of affection back in those days. Oh, and that thing with the selling your daughters into slavery, that was saying sorry?
You're taking the Greek/Roman gods and belittling their importance in their respective societies. Everything was attributed to the gods; after a great farming season, they would give thanks to Demeter (or Ceres in the case of the Romans), and a famine was the manifestation of her wrath. When an army conducted a sucessful campaign, they would pray and sacrifice to Ares (Roman = Mars). Perhaps there were never any gods, but they came alive through their assumed roles in Greek and Roman societies.
Another point of contention here is the measure of reality. The pantheon of Greek/Roman gods was comprised of entities that were not all-powerful, save Zeus/Jupiter. They each had their specific, integral roles to their followers. More importantly, they were not assumed to be perfect. They could make mistakes. And what was believed to be true about them, and their works, was not contradicted every ten minutes. They could adapt and change to fit whatever circumstances could arrive. The Greek gods themselves came to be in power by overthrowing Cronus, Lord of the Universe.
The point of all this explanation is to illustrate the static nature of the Bible. Numerous people take it to be the literal word of God. How can something so ancient still be applicable to today's world? What makes it any more believable than the numerous gods of past nations?
Love and forgiveness? I'm sure raining fire on a city was a powerful sign of affection back in those days. Oh, and that thing with the selling your daughters into slavery, that was saying sorry?
You're taking the Greek/Roman gods and belittling their importance in their respective societies. Everything was attributed to the gods; after a great farming season, they would give thanks to Demeter (or Ceres in the case of the Romans), and a famine was the manifestation of her wrath. When an army conducted a sucessful campaign, they would pray and sacrifice to Ares (Roman = Mars). Perhaps there were never any gods, but they came alive through their assumed roles in Greek and Roman societies.
Another point of contention here is the measure of reality. The pantheon of Greek/Roman gods was comprised of entities that were not all-powerful, save Zeus/Jupiter. They each had their specific, integral roles to their followers. More importantly, they were not assumed to be perfect. They could make mistakes. And what was believed to be true about them, and their works, was not contradicted every ten minutes. They could adapt and change to fit whatever circumstances could arrive. The Greek gods themselves came to be in power by overthrowing Cronus, Lord of the Universe.
The point of all this explanation is to illustrate the static nature of the Bible. Numerous people take it to be the literal word of God. How can something so ancient still be applicable to today's world? What makes it any more believable than the numerous gods of past nations?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ... on 2005-11-26 at 23:13:01
QUOTE(XxMooseynexX @ Nov 26 2005, 10:19 AM)
It HAS to be real days because plants were made before the sun and moon. Otherwise the plants will die. It's a fact that plants can survive without light for about less than 1 day.
Also there's one thing I want to say: IT IS NEVER AGAINST THE LAW TO TEACH THE BIBLE OR CREATIONISM IN SCHOOLS!
Also below is a proof that evolution is full of holes.
1)There are 6 basic concepts of evoultion.
Cosmic Evolution
Chemical Evolution
Evolution of Stars and Planets from Gas
Organic Evolution
Macro-Evolution
Micro-Evolution
The last one has been observed so the first 5 is believed in faith.
2)Lucy the oldest known ancestor of humans is 2.9 million years old.
Only 2.9 Million? Richard Leakey found a normal human skull under a layer of rock dated at 212 million years. Now, most experts agree that Lucy is just an unusual chimpanzee not a missing link.
3)Below is a chart of findings which are rarely made to the public.
4)Scientists tell the age of fossils since they know the age of the layer of rock where they were found.
Isn't that circular reasoning? Petrified trees are often found going through many of the layers. Some are even upside down. Thus, running through millions of years worth of rock.
5)Human embryos have gill slits proving man evolved through the fish stage millions of years ago!
Earnst Haeckel made up those drawings in 1869 and they were proven to be wrong in 1874. Those folds of skins are not gills. They grow into bones in the ear and glands in the throat.
6)Vestigial organs like the human tail bone prove we evolved from animals with tails!
There are nine muscles that attach to the tail bone, it is not "vestigial"!
7)Whales have a vestigial pelivs. This proves that they evolved from a land dwelling creature.
Those bones serve as anchor points for muscles. Without them whales cannot reproduce. They have nothing to do with walking on land. Even if there were "vestigial" organs, isn't losing something the opposite of evolution?
8)The binding force of the atom is gluons.
Gluons are a made-up dream. No one has seen or even measured them. They don't exist. It's a desperate theory to explain away truth!
9)You all know that the electrons of the atom whirl around the necleus billions of times every millionth of a second, and that the nucleus of the atom consists of particles called neutrons and protons. Neutrons have no electrical charge and are therefore neutal. But, protons have positive charges. One law of electricity is: LIKE CHARGES REPEL EACH OTHER! Since all the protons in the nucelus are positively charged, they should repel each other and scatter into space.
If gluons aren't the answer... what is?
10)What is thoughts such as dreams, etc. made of? Not made from but made of.
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Also there's one thing I want to say: IT IS NEVER AGAINST THE LAW TO TEACH THE BIBLE OR CREATIONISM IN SCHOOLS!
Also below is a proof that evolution is full of holes.
1)There are 6 basic concepts of evoultion.
Cosmic Evolution
Chemical Evolution
Evolution of Stars and Planets from Gas
Organic Evolution
Macro-Evolution
Micro-Evolution
The last one has been observed so the first 5 is believed in faith.
2)Lucy the oldest known ancestor of humans is 2.9 million years old.
Only 2.9 Million? Richard Leakey found a normal human skull under a layer of rock dated at 212 million years. Now, most experts agree that Lucy is just an unusual chimpanzee not a missing link.
3)Below is a chart of findings which are rarely made to the public.
4)Scientists tell the age of fossils since they know the age of the layer of rock where they were found.
Isn't that circular reasoning? Petrified trees are often found going through many of the layers. Some are even upside down. Thus, running through millions of years worth of rock.
5)Human embryos have gill slits proving man evolved through the fish stage millions of years ago!
Earnst Haeckel made up those drawings in 1869 and they were proven to be wrong in 1874. Those folds of skins are not gills. They grow into bones in the ear and glands in the throat.
6)Vestigial organs like the human tail bone prove we evolved from animals with tails!
There are nine muscles that attach to the tail bone, it is not "vestigial"!
7)Whales have a vestigial pelivs. This proves that they evolved from a land dwelling creature.
Those bones serve as anchor points for muscles. Without them whales cannot reproduce. They have nothing to do with walking on land. Even if there were "vestigial" organs, isn't losing something the opposite of evolution?
8)The binding force of the atom is gluons.
Gluons are a made-up dream. No one has seen or even measured them. They don't exist. It's a desperate theory to explain away truth!
9)You all know that the electrons of the atom whirl around the necleus billions of times every millionth of a second, and that the nucleus of the atom consists of particles called neutrons and protons. Neutrons have no electrical charge and are therefore neutal. But, protons have positive charges. One law of electricity is: LIKE CHARGES REPEL EACH OTHER! Since all the protons in the nucelus are positively charged, they should repel each other and scatter into space.
If gluons aren't the answer... what is?
10)What is thoughts such as dreams, etc. made of? Not made from but made of.
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I'm just pointing out this again because no one reads previous pages.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-11-26 at 23:29:47
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Love and forgiveness? I'm sure raining fire on a city was a powerful sign of affection back in those days. Oh, and that thing with the selling your daughters into slavery, that was saying sorry?
The raining fire on a city incident was during the time when Moses pleaded Pharoah to let the israelite slaves free. He said that if he didn't then God would have no choice but to punish the Egyptians. He desperately made numerous attempts to persuade him (but as we all know, the pharaoh was like a rock and refused and so he got the consequence.) It wasn't something done without reason.
Oh and btw, that occured before christianity came into existance.
Selling Daughters into slavery unfortunately was something people have done in those times, regardless of whether you're christian or not. Same applies to women's rights as well. Look in any text book and you'll see people doing that all the time. No religion advocates such things (but if they do, I'd love for someone to show me a quote from the bible or whatever religious book contains the lines saying or implying it)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-11-26 at 23:37:30
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He said that if he didn't then God would have no choice but to punish the Egyptians.
Doesn't that mean he's not omnipotent? Seeing as how he could not find another alternative, he must have limits!
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Oh and btw, that occured before christianity came into existance.
This is irrelevant. It's the idea that counts, not how it was later portrayed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-11-26 at 23:45:00
God is a loving but fair God. He gave pharaoh the choice to either let the people go or have his city be infested with plagues. Moses, being a loving person he was, didn't want Pharaoh to suffer from these consequences so that's why he constantly tried to persuade Pharaoh. But since pharaoh refused, both Moses and God felt sad for him and so God summoned the plagues.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-11-26 at 23:57:06
You didn't answer the question.
Why did he have to bring plagues? If he is omnipotent, he should be able to solve the problem with infinite advantages.
If you're going to say he didn't choose to, then you're admiting that he is not a "loving" person. By the way, emotions are a weakness.
Why did he have to bring plagues? If he is omnipotent, he should be able to solve the problem with infinite advantages.
If you're going to say he didn't choose to, then you're admiting that he is not a "loving" person. By the way, emotions are a weakness.