Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tazzy on 2006-09-09 at 03:00:52
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Map makers all have their rights, and those rights should be respected.
You say have "their rights" no you dont really.. If blizzard thoguht that "map makers" would need there rights" Blizzard would of made map protection THEN yea you have rights if someone took your map, but since blizzard did not invent the map protection the people did you dont have rights. You just want to stop people from learning and making a mockery out of your map and say you have right since you protected it...
Your all narrow minded and simple headed to not relise change happens, and sometime for good reasons.
Map making is like sex, its best when unprotected!
its not over, never over.. Even when this topic is locked
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-09-09 at 03:48:08
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After the recent shocking even I'm starting to see certain connection between thinsg happening. Let's have a little summary about recent events.
Now even without deep research I can see that all these things float around clan (U).
#1, LW was taking part in the campaign as a "protection" specialist. He used our trust in order to steal our new protection methods and update OSMAP.
#2, Devilesk got quite too far into this. I don't know why exactly but it sure looks weird.
#3, Now this looks like devilesk.
#4, As I stated before only 2 people should have access to the bot, Cheeze and LW. At first I though that LW couldn't done that because he seemed a trustable person. But now, it's like BOOM, it must have been him. Looks like he doesn't have problems with having devilesk in his clan either.
#5, Looks like devilesk had a certain problem with Shocko. God knows what's in between them.
#6, Considering that LW(probably) did team up with devilesk. He didn't have a problem to have him in clan (U). The whole terrorist faction is there. LW, MindArchon and devilesk. All high members.
#7, Well, as we all know if he do it once, he'll do it again. But this time he left a rather odd note about you. I don;t know what under it but he did quite some harm. This time it looked pretty much planned out. Also he deleted my anti-OSMAP toppic.
#8, This looked like completely different guy. He didn't left devilesk sign. But still he coused some harm with merging topics. maybe some guy just saw that it's hell of a easy to hack SEN. Who knows.
#9, Devilesk becomes a recruiter. I guess he is resonable enough to recruit new terrorists.
#10, I have no idea why did LW confess. But he certainly knew that he would loose his status. Maybe he couldn't take the presure. Maybe there was someone who knew about OSMAP and even about hacks and everything. Maube this person told LW that he will tell it to you. God knows.
As you see, this whole mess floats around clan (U). I bet you can get out some more info doing some deeper research. But in any way, keep an eye on them.
- #1 OSMAP released, big protection campaign started.
- #2 Devilesk got banned for linking OSMAP.
- #3 Devilesk started to fight with certain people on Bnet.
- #4 People got banned from op sen.
- #5 1st hack, Shocko's account. Signed by devilesk.
- #6 Clan (U) recruites Devilesk.
- #7 2nd hack, your and IP's accounts. Signed by devilesk.
- #8 3rd hack, IP's account. No signs.
- #9 Devilesk gains a high status in clan (U), he can now recruit new members.
- #10 LW's confesion.
Now even without deep research I can see that all these things float around clan (U).
#1, LW was taking part in the campaign as a "protection" specialist. He used our trust in order to steal our new protection methods and update OSMAP.
#2, Devilesk got quite too far into this. I don't know why exactly but it sure looks weird.
#3, Now this looks like devilesk.
#4, As I stated before only 2 people should have access to the bot, Cheeze and LW. At first I though that LW couldn't done that because he seemed a trustable person. But now, it's like BOOM, it must have been him. Looks like he doesn't have problems with having devilesk in his clan either.
#5, Looks like devilesk had a certain problem with Shocko. God knows what's in between them.
#6, Considering that LW(probably) did team up with devilesk. He didn't have a problem to have him in clan (U). The whole terrorist faction is there. LW, MindArchon and devilesk. All high members.
#7, Well, as we all know if he do it once, he'll do it again. But this time he left a rather odd note about you. I don;t know what under it but he did quite some harm. This time it looked pretty much planned out. Also he deleted my anti-OSMAP toppic.
#8, This looked like completely different guy. He didn't left devilesk sign. But still he coused some harm with merging topics. maybe some guy just saw that it's hell of a easy to hack SEN. Who knows.
#9, Devilesk becomes a recruiter. I guess he is resonable enough to recruit new terrorists.
#10, I have no idea why did LW confess. But he certainly knew that he would loose his status. Maybe he couldn't take the presure. Maybe there was someone who knew about OSMAP and even about hacks and everything. Maube this person told LW that he will tell it to you. God knows.
As you see, this whole mess floats around clan (U). I bet you can get out some more info doing some deeper research. But in any way, keep an eye on them.
Sorry for the spelling. I have a compact keyboard and mistype keys all the time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2006-09-09 at 04:01:44
A connection between (U), map stealing, and SEN attacks? Woo conspiracy!
Should I make another tee shirt?
Should I make another tee shirt?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-09-09 at 04:26:19
I say we kick the whole clan out. I mean they are like al Qaeda. 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Moogle on 2006-09-09 at 04:34:21
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I say we kick the whole clan out. I mean they are like al Qaeda.
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What does that prove? This like terrorist bombing the tower. Most people started think that whole race was terrorists group. Acts of one or a few people doesnt mean whole clan is on it. -_-
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2006-09-09 at 04:40:54
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I say we kick the whole clan out. I mean they are like al Qaeda.
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Oh joy! Now there's an idea! Let's help our already ailing UMS community by throwing out a quarter of it's best mappers on unfounded, circumstantial conspiratorial charges. Genius!
You know, even if it is true, it's thinking like this that's causing this mess. I won't presume to know how or when this anti-SEN sentiment came along, but seriously: Drop it. There's nothing to gain from this nonsense except to harm what's left of the community. Unless that's your excuse to cop out of it, then I suggest you find a better outlet for your frustration.
Like masturbation!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Moogle on 2006-09-09 at 04:43:15
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Like masturbation!
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Not even that solves everything. Really up to admin's to say what goes on, So far i dont think any (U) members will be booted for this.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2006-09-09 at 04:50:45
QUOTE(Moogle @ Sep 9 2006, 03:42 AM)
Not even that solves everything. Really up to admin's to say what goes on, So far i dont think any (U) members will be booted for this.
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Of course it does. Here, I think this song sums it all up nicely. Just think of Rodney as SEN, and (U) as his...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-09-09 at 04:51:04
If the clan leaders are causing havoc at this website, I think it's just stupid to keep hosting them. 
I'm not suggesting to ban any (U) members, just kick off the damn terrorist clan.
I'm not suggesting to ban any (U) members, just kick off the damn terrorist clan.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2006-09-09 at 05:10:14
Devilesk has already been banned. LW has been demoted. Don't you think that's enough already?
(U) is almost a historical part of the mapping community. SEN may (should) have principles against abusive stuff like unprotection, but putting itself before another part of the map making community simply because of sentiments isn't going to accomplish anything helpful. Same goes for (U).
Just think back to that song.
ADDITION:
*sigh* I'm probably just being a bliss ninny in all of this. There might be some injustice going on or legitimate reasons for things... heck if I know. But take a look at the bigger picture: UMS community thus far has been steadily diminishing. And with it, I'm sure people's patience as well. But think for a second: What's keeping us here then?
Continuity. Or rather, the promise of it. So far, we've endured over 8 frickin years of waiting on that promise. That alone is a marvel in and of itself. And now, it seems Blizzard may finally be about to do something for a change, if recent news is anything to speculate by.
I say we put this all aside, and wait it out just a little bit longer. When the time finally comes we get our promised continuity, SC will no doubt see a resurgence. Then our waiting will pay have paid off, and with new blood and new interest, things'll no doubt come back to life again like they used to. Maybe I'm being naive, but I still think there's a light at the end of this tunnel yet.
There's no sense tearing ourselves up before then, though.
(U) is almost a historical part of the mapping community. SEN may (should) have principles against abusive stuff like unprotection, but putting itself before another part of the map making community simply because of sentiments isn't going to accomplish anything helpful. Same goes for (U).
Just think back to that song.
ADDITION:
*sigh* I'm probably just being a bliss ninny in all of this. There might be some injustice going on or legitimate reasons for things... heck if I know. But take a look at the bigger picture: UMS community thus far has been steadily diminishing. And with it, I'm sure people's patience as well. But think for a second: What's keeping us here then?
Continuity. Or rather, the promise of it. So far, we've endured over 8 frickin years of waiting on that promise. That alone is a marvel in and of itself. And now, it seems Blizzard may finally be about to do something for a change, if recent news is anything to speculate by.
I say we put this all aside, and wait it out just a little bit longer. When the time finally comes we get our promised continuity, SC will no doubt see a resurgence. Then our waiting will pay have paid off, and with new blood and new interest, things'll no doubt come back to life again like they used to. Maybe I'm being naive, but I still think there's a light at the end of this tunnel yet.
There's no sense tearing ourselves up before then, though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-09-09 at 05:46:38
I'm here with you tux, I'll wait with you.
But how does hacking SEN, deleting data, making unprotectors and heck knows what else is on their list, helps UMS community. I know that (U) has great part of UMS history, but everything has limits.
But how does hacking SEN, deleting data, making unprotectors and heck knows what else is on their list, helps UMS community. I know that (U) has great part of UMS history, but everything has limits.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-09-09 at 05:47:19
QUOTE(Tuxedo Templar @ Sep 9 2006, 12:09 PM)
*sigh* I'm probably just being a bliss ninny in all of this. There might be some injustice going on or legitimate reasons for things... heck if I know. But take a look at the bigger picture: UMS community thus far has been steadily diminishing. And with it, I'm sure people's patience as well. But think for a second: What's keeping us here then?
Continuity. Or rather, the promise of it. So far, we've endured over 8 frickin years of waiting on that promise. That alone is a marvel in and of itself. And now, it seems Blizzard may finally be about to do something for a change, if recent news is anything to speculate by.
I say we put this all aside, and wait it out just a little bit longer. When the time finally comes we get our promised continuity, SC will no doubt see a resurgence. Then our waiting will pay have paid off, and with new blood and new interest, things'll no doubt come back to life again like they used to. Maybe I'm being naive, but I still think there's a light at the end of this tunnel yet.
There's no sense tearing ourselves up before then, though.
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Continuity. Or rather, the promise of it. So far, we've endured over 8 frickin years of waiting on that promise. That alone is a marvel in and of itself. And now, it seems Blizzard may finally be about to do something for a change, if recent news is anything to speculate by.
I say we put this all aside, and wait it out just a little bit longer. When the time finally comes we get our promised continuity, SC will no doubt see a resurgence. Then our waiting will pay have paid off, and with new blood and new interest, things'll no doubt come back to life again like they used to. Maybe I'm being naive, but I still think there's a light at the end of this tunnel yet.
There's no sense tearing ourselves up before then, though.
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Amen. We must forget our stupid "You're not thinking the way I am". Sure, those who support protection may hate LW now, but let's face it: He did it only because he wanted to help. Why did he harm your interests ? Because he doesen't think like you, thus, he is not you. Face the simple truth: all humans are different. In other words, you hate him just because we all are different.
So just forget this crap and do what you did for 8 years:
CONCENTRATE ON YOUR MAPS
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MindArchon on 2006-09-09 at 07:35:51
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#10, I have no idea why did LW confess. But he certainly knew that he would loose his status. Maybe he couldn't take the presure. Maybe there was someone who knew about OSMAP and even about hacks and everything. Maube this person told LW that he will tell it to you. God knows.
Hell, I wanted to release the truth about OSMAP earlier. Why? Because reading threads like this cracks me up. Actually, we ended up telling random people about OSMAP: Devilesk, Kenoli, etc. Legacy probably told the truth for one of two reasons:
- He likes funny drama
- He lost faith/wanted to quit SEN
Honestly, I think its the second one. All of you are morons.
Blatantly stating random positions on OSMAP, about how its "good" and "bad", linking (U) to terrorist organizations? It's neither, its a god damn program.
All of your points on whether unprotection is good or bad are completely void. Why? Because honestly, whether you protected it or unprotected it, it will not make a difference. How many public "mappers" on battle.net will open your map IF they downloaded it and played it? How many times will it be stolen? Or rigged?
Almost none.
People on SEN might however, but in most cases the map will be unprotected or the data will be available to the public? Hell, I LIKE open source mapping, but it is honestly not necessary. OSMAP is generally NOT used for learning. Wait, if it wasn't designed to steal maps, learn from maps, or to rig maps...
What the hell is OSMAP's purpose? Think about it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tazzy on 2006-09-09 at 07:42:16
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Tazzy:
You people still rabbiting on about this stuff
Map protection is good as it stops map stealers and other versions a week later coming out, so what? There will always be idiots in this world always have been always will be. Get over it? Lifes a female dog then you die, what more do you want?
I don't protect my maps (when i do complete them) i dont care if someone wants to steal my work and say it as there own. Infact that would make me feel good to think someone likes my map and wants to call it there own or just to open the map and learn from it (If theres anything in there they want they can have)
Sounds, Music, Triggers, Anything its open for them..
So LW made this OSmap thingy? Why get your nikkers all in a knot? It was bound to happen sooner or later IF NOT by LW by someone else maybe not even from SEN then where would you be?
Im only saying my view but thats what i think...
Your all narrow minded and simple headed to not relise change happens, and sometime for good reasons.
Map making is like sex, its best when unprotected!
You people still rabbiting on about this stuff
Map protection is good as it stops map stealers and other versions a week later coming out, so what? There will always be idiots in this world always have been always will be. Get over it? Lifes a female dog then you die, what more do you want?
I don't protect my maps (when i do complete them) i dont care if someone wants to steal my work and say it as there own. Infact that would make me feel good to think someone likes my map and wants to call it there own or just to open the map and learn from it (If theres anything in there they want they can have)
Sounds, Music, Triggers, Anything its open for them..
So LW made this OSmap thingy? Why get your nikkers all in a knot? It was bound to happen sooner or later IF NOT by LW by someone else maybe not even from SEN then where would you be?
Im only saying my view but thats what i think...
Your all narrow minded and simple headed to not relise change happens, and sometime for good reasons.
Map making is like sex, its best when unprotected!
Again my veiws, Like i said so what? It was going to happen sooner or later..
Thank god it happend now. Open map sorce is better. Its the way it was ment to be. Leave it at that... Gosh... All you thick headed people cant see past your own freaknig judgment...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-09-09 at 09:25:49
QUOTE(MindArchon @ Sep 9 2006, 07:35 AM)
QUOTE(DEAD)
#10, I have no idea why did LW confess. But he certainly knew that he would loose his status. Maybe he couldn't take the presure. Maybe there was someone who knew about OSMAP and even about hacks and everything. Maube this person told LW that he will tell it to you. God knows.
Hell, I wanted to release the truth about OSMAP earlier. Why? Because reading threads like this cracks me up. Actually, we ended up telling random people about OSMAP: Devilesk, Kenoli, etc. Legacy probably told the truth for one of two reasons:
- He likes funny drama
- He lost faith/wanted to quit SEN
Honestly, I think its the second one. All of you are morons.
Blatantly stating random positions on OSMAP, about how its "good" and "bad", linking (U) to terrorist organizations? It's neither, its a god damn program.
All of your points on whether unprotection is good or bad are completely void. Why? Because honestly, whether you protected it or unprotected it, it will not make a difference. How many public "mappers" on battle.net will open your map IF they downloaded it and played it? How many times will it be stolen? Or rigged?
Almost none.
People on SEN might however, but in most cases the map will be unprotected or the data will be available to the public? Hell, I LIKE open source mapping, but it is honestly not necessary. OSMAP is generally NOT used for learning. Wait, if it wasn't designed to steal maps, learn from maps, or to rig maps...
What the hell is OSMAP's purpose? Think about it.
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What the hell are you talking about? I guess you don't play on Starcraft much... So many rigged maps, I don't know where you got that...
It doesn't matter what it was made for, it's what it does. It gives people to take my intellectual property and name it their own, which isn't fair, because it isn't theres.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-09-09 at 10:04:24
Also I would like to add that most people who are against protection, have not made any big maps. Like LW, yoshi, devilesk, Captain will or those random hobos. None of them are real big mapmakers. They don't know what is it to spend months working your ass off to make a decent map. they just don't know how it is...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2006-09-09 at 10:10:04
If anything, Tux and Millenium carry the most weight by that reasoning, IMO. Millenium has made more maps then I can count, and Tux had made maps that are mind boggling.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-09-09 at 10:12:15
I think he is referring to maps that are a lot of work, opposed to a map like wallball.(not saying that wallball is a bad map, it just doesn't take 1 month to make..)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cole on 2006-09-09 at 10:13:26
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It doesn't matter what it was made for, it's what it does. It gives people to take my intellectual property and name it their own, which isn't fair, because it isn't theres.
You don't own any maps you create.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-09-09 at 10:18:09
Or maybe they just think differently ? Maybe they rate their work not like others do ?
Some people don't give some money to a homeless person on the street thinking "I worked my ass off for that money", while some give money freely and don't bug their head with crap like "I bend my back at work every day for that money".
If a person wants to steel your map, let him, and laugh at how pthetic he is. Probably he is a child and it will be easy for you to humiliate him publically.
Oh and about "working you ass off". I made my first ever to be released map (Lightning Bound) within 3 months. It was huge work for me because I was a noob that had to learn on his own mistakes all the time. So if you look at the work done, it's like this:
My bound = Your GTA Classic. Funny, isn't it ?
Some may work for 1 month and be pissed when somebody steals their map, but others may work for 3 months and not be pissed when somebody steals their map.
It's called perception.
Some people don't give some money to a homeless person on the street thinking "I worked my ass off for that money", while some give money freely and don't bug their head with crap like "I bend my back at work every day for that money".
If a person wants to steel your map, let him, and laugh at how pthetic he is. Probably he is a child and it will be easy for you to humiliate him publically.
Oh and about "working you ass off". I made my first ever to be released map (Lightning Bound) within 3 months. It was huge work for me because I was a noob that had to learn on his own mistakes all the time. So if you look at the work done, it's like this:
My bound = Your GTA Classic. Funny, isn't it ?
Some may work for 1 month and be pissed when somebody steals their map, but others may work for 3 months and not be pissed when somebody steals their map.
It's called perception.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Moogle on 2006-09-09 at 10:18:59
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You don't own any maps you create.
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Funny that you said that, LegacyWeapon, Kenoli & Myself were talking about that.
I believe in TOS laws kinda states that blizzard owns your maps, you may have brag rights for map but you dont know own, At end of the day blizzard owns all maps you created and design. So even if you protect your map blizzard still owns it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-09-09 at 10:25:18
QUOTE(Jammed @ Sep 9 2006, 05:17 PM)
Or maybe they just think differently ? Maybe they rate their work not like others do ?
Some people don't give some money to a homeless person on the street thinking "I worked my ass off for that money", while some give money freely and don't bug their head with crap like "I bend my back at work every day for that money".
If a person wants to steel your map, let him, and laugh at how pthetic he is. Probably he is a child and it will be easy for you to humiliate him publically.
Oh and about "working you ass off". I made my first ever to be released map (Lightning Bound) within 3 months. It was huge work for me because I was a noob that had to learn on his own mistakes all the time. So if you look at the work done, it's like this:
My bound = Your GTA Classic. Funny, isn't it ?
Some may work for 1 month and be pissed when somebody steals their map, but others may work for 3 months and not be pissed when somebody steals their map.
It's called perception.
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Some people don't give some money to a homeless person on the street thinking "I worked my ass off for that money", while some give money freely and don't bug their head with crap like "I bend my back at work every day for that money".
If a person wants to steel your map, let him, and laugh at how pthetic he is. Probably he is a child and it will be easy for you to humiliate him publically.
Oh and about "working you ass off". I made my first ever to be released map (Lightning Bound) within 3 months. It was huge work for me because I was a noob that had to learn on his own mistakes all the time. So if you look at the work done, it's like this:
My bound = Your GTA Classic. Funny, isn't it ?
Some may work for 1 month and be pissed when somebody steals their map, but others may work for 3 months and not be pissed when somebody steals their map.
It's called perception.
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I'm not talking about time but about maps. Heck I could make a bound for 10 years if I would like to.
I'm not saying thta their oppinion is worth less or anything. I'n just pointing out that most of them are not even real mapmakers. Well except yoshi, he has made lots of so so maps. But then again he changed his view 2 years after he quit mapmaking.
You see the connection? Not making maps = don't care about unprotection.
btw GTA Classic was about 6 months.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-09-09 at 10:47:11
Tux, as always, your wit has provided invaluable insight.
Half of you are whimpering in self pity, and the other half are telling the first half how stupid and wrong they are.
Half of you are whimpering in self pity, and the other half are telling the first half how stupid and wrong they are.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-09-09 at 10:48:51
I'm making a map (as you might know) right now. And I fear that some noob will make it disbalanced. But I don't care if someone steals it. (Oh and I will protect it also to compress.)
And you know what I don't care about it being stolen ? Because people that will play the stolen version will not have ANY effect of my life, and they are nothing to me. And if they like the map, well, good for them and good for me.
It all sums up to this:
If you care about morons on b-net and what they think about you, support protection. The only place where your work will be rated is SEN or any other map-making site. And the DB serves and ultimate proof that you made the map.
And you know what I don't care about it being stolen ? Because people that will play the stolen version will not have ANY effect of my life, and they are nothing to me. And if they like the map, well, good for them and good for me.
It all sums up to this:
If you care about morons on b-net and what they think about you, support protection. The only place where your work will be rated is SEN or any other map-making site. And the DB serves and ultimate proof that you made the map.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JordanN_3335 on 2006-09-09 at 10:55:38
QUOTE(Deathawk @ Sep 9 2006, 09:25 AM)
So many rigged maps, I don't know where you got that...
It doesn't matter what it was made for, it's what it does. It gives people to take my intellectual property and name it their own, which isn't fair, because it isn't theres.
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It doesn't matter what it was made for, it's what it does. It gives people to take my intellectual property and name it their own, which isn't fair, because it isn't theres.
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The point is that when maps are rigged people lose intrest in them. I said this before but if I could upload my download folder the majority of things in there are maps that have been rigged (not by me but by others). For example.
Cat N mouse is the biggest off set map in the history of map making. Were ever you go, whatever you build its the one that is rigged. There is NO FAIR version there just rigged by people who want to P*ss of people.
Also Hero Arena. Is the biggest target of all. Every version has a rigg. It should be in the guiness worlds record for the most Rigged units off all time.
First it was Dominoe (vulture). Then it was Genji lvl1 (reaver) and then even Ninja (ghost) and all the others. Go on to Bnet right now and download a hero arena ffa version and play with the full house. There is a rigged unit in every version.
So were does protection come in? If the very first or 2nd version of hero arena was protected we wouldnt of had over 25 versions of the dang thing.
Also madness games are the last one that is the biggest Rigged Genre of Starcraft.
Play family guy madness Peter or stewie is rigged. Play super smash madness mario or ice climbers are rigged or even futurama madness were amy and the professur have 9999hp.
So think about this. Without protection our favourite maps would go down the drain just as we know it. If uber Arena is rigged then life as we know it would just fall apart but thats why Moose and DT_BK said submit maps to different websites so when instantly someone riggs it and someone joins the game they would know that map will suck.
(wow people must be making a profit of minerals in this topic
)