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Report, edit, etc...Posted by KaboomHahahein on 2005-01-29 at 15:20:24
Do you think it should be legal?
A lot of seriously ill people want to end their lives to end the pain. They want other to help them "kill themselves" but they cannot since it is against the law. Do you think it is ok if you help someone suicide when he/she is serioulsy ill/in pain?

Article about a recent case. His family members watched him suffocate himself. They did not help him since it is agains the law.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/20...ide-050128.html
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-01-29 at 17:35:39
Euthanasia should be legal under certain circumstances, yes.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by phlemhacker99 on 2005-01-29 at 18:09:22
No i don't think so. Killing is killing in my book.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-01-29 at 18:15:10
Ah, but is 'forgetting' to feed and give medication to a terminally ill patient, resulting in their death, 'killing' them?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2005-01-29 at 18:26:33
If someone wants to die that much, let them be. They won't do much good besides be a drain on society.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Urmom(U) on 2005-01-29 at 18:34:33
do they need that much assistance on kiling themselves?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.ZeALoT.oO on 2005-01-29 at 19:20:13
yes. If you are an old man/woman who can barely move and has no quality of life, so decides that he/she wants to die, How would they do it themselves?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by notnuclearrabbit on 2005-01-29 at 21:42:01
[center]As long as you have the right to live the way you want, why don't you have the right to die the way, and time, you want? A right to death? This is another example of the government having too much controll over our lives. Why can't I decide that I want to die right now? How is this against the law? If suicide is illiegal, how come noone is punished for attempted suicide? There are too many laws that prevent us from living our lives the way we choose. Although many of the laws do need to be in place, some do not. Assisted suicide will probably never be legalised, just because it's concidered killing someone, but not against their will.[/center]
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KaboomHahahein on 2005-01-29 at 22:27:26
Suicide is considered a crime in most places. In my religion you go to hell for killing someone for not a very good reason. Suiciding will end you up in hell.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-01-30 at 01:20:02
In another view point, who decides that it's time to pull the plug? If the patient is so far down, can he decide for himself?

The best idea is to give the decision to the family member, probably. Let's say you give it to his wife.

My grandfather is on the verge of alzheimers. The only link that he has to anything he remembers is my grandma. He was faced with that decision three months ago. If he had said yes, pull the plug, she'd be out of pain...but he would never be the same.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by AqoTrooper on 2005-01-30 at 12:55:48
In my religion killing yourself is just like killing anybody, agains the law, but I don't belive in god and religions and I think it's total bs.

Why? well think of it - killing someone is bad because it hurts him, but if he/yourself wants to die than why souldn't you allow it?
Infect, imo it makes more sence that whoever assissts people who wanna suicide go to heaven and not that who suicides goes to hell, but there is no heaven or hell so it's pointless anyway.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PearS on 2005-01-30 at 13:01:28
My dad just had a big surgeory. His small intestines was somehow cut and six inches of it was removed along with his appendix. Right now he is in ICU and his blood pressure is sky high. The doctor said that he is in risk of a stroke. If that happens he might be paralized in places like his face or other stuff. The way my dad is now he can barley stay sitting for any period of time. It would kill him to be disabled and not be able to have fun and work to support his family. Hs is only 37 so I don't think that suicide would be an option though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-01-30 at 14:27:41
"No i don't think so. Killing is killing in my book."

Alright. Now, tell me what's wrong with killing.

Some poeple don't seem to understand this... it shouldn't matter whether you break a rule.
Rules are in place to prevent certain things. The problem is, even if that certain thing doesn't happen, you can still get in trouble for breaking the rule.
For example, as I understand it, Kow 'spammed' by editing his post to add enough characters to reach 5000(or whatever the requirement for 16 minerals was) and then deleting the spam. What's the point in the anti-spam rule? So forums aren't filled with trash. But did he fill the forum with trash? No. He just exploited a stupid game that provides hardly any entertainment to people.

And if you can't guess from the post, my position is that suicide should be okay. Assisted suicide should be okay.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-01-30 at 14:52:31
QUOTE(EzDay2 @ Jan 30 2005, 12:27 PM)
And if you can't guess from the post, my position is that suicide should be okay. Assisted suicide should be okay.
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Suicide is okay? So I can go kill myself because daddy wouldn't buy me a new car and you'd be completely chill with it? confused.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2005-01-30 at 15:14:42
No, but only because that's very poor reasoning. If you have a good enough reason to end your life then what the hell?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-01-30 at 15:31:35
QUOTE(FireKame @ Jan 30 2005, 12:52 PM)
Suicide is okay? So I can go kill myself because daddy wouldn't buy me a new car and you'd be completely chill with it? confused.gif
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What Chill said. Only because that's bad reasoning?
Though, similarly, if someone were the kind of person to care so much about that car, then I wouldn't really mind as much as otherwise, so even in that case it doesn't matter who commits suicide much to me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-01-30 at 16:00:01
I guess it depends on the strength of an individual than.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr_Deadmeat on 2005-01-30 at 18:33:40
In my religion suicide is wrong. I am a christian, and if you kill yourself you come to hell. It might sound stupid for some people, but it have to be a heaven and a hell. I think that because it is the only logical explanation i have heard about it. (except from reincarnation) but then is strange that you cannot remember anything from your last life. And if you kill yourself you might be lucky, and I am wrong, but I think that its better to be safe than sorry.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-01-30 at 18:46:49
Safe in a ruined life which makes you want to die and be free of it anyway.
Sorry in the less then 1/10000 chance thath you go to Hell.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-01-30 at 19:49:35
QUOTE(Dr_Deadmeat @ Jan 30 2005, 04:33 PM)
In my religion suicide is wrong. I am a christian, and if you kill yourself you come to hell.
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Where does the bible say that? Seriously, I've been looking for it for a little while...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2005-01-30 at 20:34:54
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Suicide is considered a crime in most places. In my religion you go to hell for killing someone for not a very good reason. Suiciding will end you up in hell.

So if you want to die, you end up in hell? so if you were in hell you would want to die right? so that would end you up in hell again? woot!!! when i die Ima exploit hell till it crashes! w00t.gif


But I think you should be able to have assisted suicide, if you want to die, they shouldn't be able to force you to live, that's like a mini hell right there.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr_Deadmeat on 2005-01-31 at 02:16:04
QUOTE(FireKame @ Jan 31 2005, 02:49 AM)
Where does the bible say that? Seriously, I've been looking for it for a little while...
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It is standing in the ten commitments for example. You shall not kill. when you kill yourself you cannot pray for forgiveness ether. Therefore you go to hell.
Thats my vision on this case
Report, edit, etc...Posted by AqoTrooper on 2005-01-31 at 02:23:05
Can someone who doesn't support helping suicide please post a good reason why, like, don't just say 'My opinion is: suicide is bad' but also say why.

"Because it is written in the bible that was written years ago by people with less than 5 IQ that sat all day in the sun and were bored so they wrote a fatass book and become famous even tho the book is full of bs and all kind of imagionary crap" is not a really good reason for saying that people who suffer should keep suffering.

Just think of this situatuion - a man has a cancer, he can't move, he lies all day in a bed and feels fain, you can end his pain by killing him - if he could he was asking you to kill him but the cancer hurt his body so much that he can't move, yet you let him live in pain for much more years just because some unintellegent people wrote a fat book 3000 years ago?
Does this make any sense to you?

Most people here think of suicide as: "I woke up this morning and decided that I wanna die cuz I lost a buck, yaaaaaay".
Newsflash: No one in our world is that stupid, people who wanna suicide are people who don't have anything left in their lives other than pain, for them dying will be a blessing, than why should you prevent it from them???
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-01-31 at 19:23:07
I did give a reason why I'm against assisted suicide.

QUOTE(FireKame)
In another view point, who decides that it's time to pull the plug? If the patient is so far down, can he decide for himself?

The best idea is to give the decision to the family member, probably. Let's say you give it to his wife.

My grandfather is on the verge of alzheimers. The only link that he has to anything he remembers is my grandma. He was faced with that decision three months ago. If he had said yes, pull the plug, she'd be out of pain...but he would never be the same.


Read all the posts next time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2005-02-01 at 01:08:52
Firstly, I have to state I'm supportive of 'assisted suicide.'

Suicide: The act of killing oneself.

If they are unable to kill themselves and need others to do it for them, it is really controversial if it is murder or actually 'suicide' because obviously he intentionally wanted to die, but the action is not done by himself.

However, it comes back to the choice of the family members.. logically, if the patient is in a certain degree of pain - the family would know to come to the conclusion to actually end the life of him/her.

If he didn't die, then he lives in his own hell... if there is actually a God that wants people to live a 'happy' life... why would God give him another hell if he chose to get out of his current one?

Get this right, if he/she is going to die and has nothing to value anymore then what is the point of leaving a man/woman to suffer a few months more of pain?

AgoTrooper and Ezday has the most logical answers in my opinion.
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