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When I left a few months back, I stopped playing starcraft. Now that I'm back, I decided to have a few games here and there.

There are WAY too many rigged maps now.

Some of my favourite games, have been so rigged up that its sad.

• Crash RPG - Apparently you now start with 32 minerals & gas instead of the regular zero.
• Special Forces - Apparently now red and blue get 4x more civilians then everyone else.
• OMFG THE LINGS - What was before zergling mayham has been reduced to infinate resources and zero build time. All you do is build to win. Big whoop.

I don't understand why people would go to such great lengths to win something unfairly. Rigging games is no different from hacking - which is changing the outcome of a game to make you win.

Honestly people...

I just felt I needed to voice an opinion of something that really has ticked me off.

It was always like that. You didn't notice?

The one advantage to PLAYING wc is that noob map-riggers have no clue how to use the editor.

dont forget to mention MAdnesses OHHH THE MADNESSES!

but yea peole who make maps have to learn to make a fail safe so people cant rig the maps Rigging maps is Sad

Play Bacde's ver of Crash RPG that is the best!



also people rig maps so they can try and win(note how i said TRY!?) well then there are the newbs that rig maps and lose then have to use drop hack on you how sad is that!?
sorry im just im rambaling

Edit:
also should of seen the Sad attempts to rig RPGs (very sad)

Giving an editor to a rigger is like giving a flamethrower to a baby: They both become weapons of mass destruction.

Put it dis way People only Rigg maps so They Can Win. Like They Probley suck So much at it they rigg the thing.

Like Crash Rpg Noobs probley got mad they coulnt win so they rigged it and Madness They GOt Mad that some got a better charater Or They Want a CHARater to BE the Best.

The Way I see It Is People Like Taking the Easy Win then going thorught The Old-Fasinon Manuel LABOR!

Its not only the person who rigged the map, but also the players that choose to continue playing it.

Like I said Before People Like Taking The Easy Way out of Games.

"Everyone Wants to take Shortcuts To Achieve Victory"

is it possble to make it so poeple STOP rigging maps and to stop being s?(can i say that?)

know what i blame Amarica no even better i blame BUSH he turned us all into s(can i say that?)

so lets all make shue Bush gets burned to the ground so rigged maps can stop

(usless ranting)

anyway really can we blame bush?

Why Would he Make People make Rigged Maps? That makes no Sense whats so ever like me

I seriously dont get why people play if they know they're going to win....

Oh well, its my rant of the night

How is this news? It's been common for years, people rigging maps. I remember playing golems where player 1 would start with a perma-cloak invincy 9999 attack ghost.

That is rare, the perma-cloak. It is just usually inviniclbe 9999 dmg ghosts in bunker.

It wasn't rare for me.

Due to public being stupid and small minded forget lock a map and release it unprotected. Then stupid newbie comes along and things " OMFG this to hard " so go and edit it to there liking untill map so rigged no real point to map and winning. Oo take Crash as you said, so many versions of it not funny most them all . I liked it when was all hard and challage now its just yawn! but what can you do ? BURN TeH n00b's dont think so not much we can do expect protected our maps and dont let it be edited =/

One of my favorite maps while back were Hero Arena, and Super Smash Bros. Melee madness maps. But Hero Arena got rigged with the Reaver that upgrades like 100 DMG each upgrade, and SSMBM Madness always have different versions with different players rigged like hell. It getting real annoying, that's why i wanted to make a Hero Arena map, so it'd be fair and Really fun.

does hydra defense ring any bell?
toads turret defense?
10way defense? (i have no clue what the original was)

war3 is just as bad if not worse....

These kinds of maps (like the unfair maps) only shows that the creator of it is incompetent

If everyone would protect their maps we would have such problems. And I don't even get why people don't protect their maps....

You cannot stop a map from being rigged. It is just that simple. Just as simple, in fact, as you cannot protect a map. There is no native map encryption in starcraft, only attempts by programmers to add things into the map code (or remove, or change things) that makes it still readable by a starcraft error bypass and unreadable by staredit or any map editor.

The problem is, if anyone knows the structure of a CHK file, they can simply extract the CHK and determine the differences. That way, they can reverse the differences and have an unprotected map. In fact, there are many guides out there on how to unprotect the most common protections (including the newest version of PROEdit).

Although it is unlikely that any noob who can't even win your map would be able to extract the CHK and hex edit it back to normal, you might be surprised.

So, in conclusion, you cannot make an unriggable map. If somebody is stupid and sucks enough, they will unrig your map. The only way to stop it is to use a combination of protection methods, and add some of your own. You cannot stop the hackers, only delay them.

Although, it wouldn't help to beg for them to stop in the trigger code

I found that its usually alot better to just download maps from sites like Staredit or other map-making sites. There's alot less rigged maps. It is annoying that people rig maps... especially when they don't change the name and it overwrites the other version...

I wish battle.net would have some way, like when you're browsing the list of games and you select it, to tell when the map has last been edited. Then you could just compare it to a good copy and see if it's been rigged.

Well Said Yoshi

money maps were born from the same type of people who rig ums maps. I guess its a desire to win playing a game, but i dont get it if you know the outcome.

Who are we to decide if a map is balanced or not =/

I agree
Rigged maps suck, but when you win the rigger - you feel warm inside...