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well i do beleive in the big band theory, becasue scientist have enough facts almost back that topic up for sure, i remember last year in my high school science class when we had a huge descusion over it.
The Bible: i agree with you i c it as any other book, it prenteded in a factor and it is baught by the people, it like any old regular book, cover pages letters, thats basikly it

Totally (almost) agree with you on the Bible and the Big Bang but...

The Bible is a decent collection of ancient historical documents that, although certainly not proof of a god, can tell us something of what life was like back then, and also corroborates with other evidence that someone who caused social uproar called Jesus existed.

The translations are not perfect. Latin and hebrew (it was written in both, afterall) has far more words than english does. The word love in english is three different words in hebrew. So does exist. Basing the credability of the Bible on the translation is not a good bases.

May I take this time that just as the Bible was written by man, so was science?

btw: If you ever do plan on reading the bible:
New Living Translation isn't that good. Stick with NIV.
I suggest you go read the bible first before you rant on it.
And not on those sites that just state the inconsistancies or whatever, go out and buy it, then come back and have this discussion.

i ussually read untill i fall asleep at night, and i am currently reading the bible, i just though maybe if i read throught the whole thing it would explain more to be and maybe i would start beleiving in god...nothing yet but i'm only not even half way through

I am positive that English has more words than Latin or Hebrew.

for those of us who place our beliefs in the book we call the bible, we believe that it was inspired by God, and through the plans that he has laid forth, it has been translated to its current state to us today.

it may, but not the right ones.

{Edit: To Captain Will}

[center]Yo wassup biatches! We gon bust some caps in those crackas tnight?!

How many of those words are in both Hebrew and English, or Latin and English? [/center]

The bible was not translated perfectly. The printers translated it, then they put the words in a sensible order SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE ENGLISH IS PERFECT!

I read the first book of the Bible. Where did all the wives come from for the generational thing? And why would a god waste six days to create the universe, when he could do it immediately? And why would he freaking take a day of rest? *Yawns* Why then did he make the year 365 days? Why not 364, or 52 weeks? He had to add one day, obviously. Why are some very important resources non renewable? What is the importance of the universe? Why not just have this Earth? Why did your god create so many frivolous things?

proof that the bible was translated?

The original scriptures were written before english was ever created. English is drawn from both germanic and latin roots, because it originates in Angloland, where the German tribe Anglos inhabited. The cross over of Latin and German probably occured near the fall of the Roman Empire, when the German tribe's lands band together to fight against the common enemy.

If you look through out the bible, there are little foot notes stating that some words were translated wrong; it gives the original word, the root it created, and other possible meanings.

I'll go look for a few examples.

Seriously rexy, you need to go take a look at the bible before you write it off like this on grounds like translation.

ADDITION:


I believe we covered this in another topic.

Time is seperate of God. Time was created by men to orginize things easier.

btw, if you'd like to discuss time, go here: Time Discussion and Debate

To piss you off?

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Let me rephrase. Time is man made.

God created the universe. All at once. Everything.
Unfortunately, no one could quite figure out how to say it without skipping a few steps, so they set it up chronologically by using time; a measurement God shared with man for this sort of purpose.

Therefore, everything and nothing is all happening at once. Catch my drift?

why dont you show us some proof the the bible isnt translated correctly.

no, he did not need to rest. i believe he rested as a symbolic action, so that we might follow. God does not need to rest, but humans do. we're not perfect, and we have to take a break every now and then.

He also rested so that he could make one day holy--the day he rested. the seventh day was designed for us to rest and honor God specifically, aside from the 6 other days.

Heck, I was just skip-reading this one when I stumbled upon this.


Not my Latin. I have expressions in my language that even English hasn't. Nor my own neighbour nation (Spain).
What's the point afterall?

Edit reason: Typo.

How would we "skip a few beats" if the bible just said that a god created the universe instantaneously? That's easy enough to understand.

I have heard theories that a god just created the universe, which we interpret as the big bang, and that god just let the universe evolve by itself. This is actually my history teacher's theory, and he's quite the Christian, believe me you.

If a god was happy enough to communicate with his early creations, why did that god stop? That god has given no recent signs, and according to you all, that god expects us to have blind faith to get into "Heaven?" If so, why did that god grant us logic? Did that god create humans to be stupid creations? Maybe not, but maybe that god *forgot* what inbreeding would do. Maybe the early humans (ala Adam and Eve) were super-intelligent, but inbreeding created all the defects and retardedness of current humans : ) That would explain how America is spiraling down the crapper (ala Bush). However, that is another tale not meant for here.

Btw, this argument is more philosophical than logical, although there is nothing saying the two can't fit hand in hand, and perhaps they should, and maybe they even do. I'm just saying why would people dismiss possibilities because of bias? I'm trying really hard not to. I'm trying really really hard. If someone could make me believe in Christianity, I would. Same for anything else. It's not that I'm anti-Christian, I'm just trying to figure out the meaning of life, which is probably impossible.

ROFL. You're reading the Bible for accuracy and scientific truth? That isn't why it was written. The Bible was written for religious truth. What you're doing is like reading the works of Shakespeare to study algebra. The Bible is very old, and as such you can't expect perceptions of how the world works to be proven with modern-day science. That isn't why it was written... you don't use it for things like this.

Moose, whom are you speaking to? I am not speaking on scientific terms currently. Also, I'm not using the bible to present an argument, but rather present a more logical (which is amusing)... errr... plausible? explanation of a god.

Thirdly, those are not my beliefs. I was simply trying to present people with the possibility that other ideas could work.

There is no God.
I never liked bible. I never bothered to learn it. I always treat it as another gayass kiddie book.

Religion was created to control masses of people. What is good and what is not. Think about it.

..Atleast that's what i think.