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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-02-11 at 16:43:36
In case you've been anti-social the past 4 years, you must have heard something on the war on terror. Essentially I'm writing to say that the United States has spent $1.2 trillion, or the last figure that I had heard. It's probably more now. We're stretched far too thin. We barely have the manpower to occupy Iraq, and now Iran and North Korea are looming up as future problems, with North Korea taking priority with their quite probable nuclear weapons.

If it would ever help, I'm asking all the nations of the world to help to occupy and rebuild Iraq, as I'm afraid it will cost the United States too much. I am against it, but the strain is simply too great on even our nation, the last superpower of the world. I would never ask that for any other reason.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by notnuclearrabbit on 2005-02-12 at 01:40:11
[center]The war on terror was a stupid idea in the first place. If we hadn't had such crappy foreign policy in the first place, there wouldn't be a need to have a war on terror.
I believe the cost of the war is somewhere around 2.5 trillion... Has anyone seen 2.5 trillion lying around anywhere? The money isn't there. The government has been going downhill for years... I think it's just started to speed up within the last 5...
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-02-12 at 08:38:52
We're already there, covering Southern Iraq for you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-02-12 at 08:44:08
Actually it would be helpful even if America only had about 1/3 the troops in Iraq than 2/3 or whatever.

*Edit* I read somewhere that many people in Britain hate Tony Blair for supporting Bush, like most of parliament (or whatever you call it, my apologies on my ignorance), and many citizens too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-02-12 at 10:57:43
Yeah, it's Parliament, you are correct.

You'll never guess our weird voting system in Parliament, but that's off topic - just another oddity of our constitution.

People here are now in an uncaring state about the war, and antipathy towards Bush and Blair is starting to disappear. That's because Bush hasn't done anything drastic yet. It also appears that Labour (yes, Labour - it's a proper noun) will win the election this year, putting Blair in for a third term.

Unlike in the USA, the length of time a leader can stay in power for is not fixed. Longest time a Prime Minister has ever been in power here was 27 years (Robert Walpole).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-02-15 at 21:17:19
I'm just scared the Bush will help reinstate the draft and get all of us to fight his stupid war for him. He'll ruin America...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-02-15 at 21:23:33
If there is a draft, an you are still in college and getting good grades you will not be drafted. How do I know this? becuase my dad was in college during Vietnam and there was the draft that he didn't have to join the military becuase he was in college and becuase my friend accross the street, Brad Jennison, who is 23 and a Ranger assistant 60 gunner told me that the army doesn't draft you if your in college and are getting good grades.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-02-17 at 21:29:02
yaa...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-02-17 at 21:50:19
QUOTE(WoA-Felagund @ Feb 15 2005, 09:17 PM)
I'm just scared the Bush will help reinstate the draft and get all of us to fight his stupid war for him. He'll ruin America...
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It's not that he will, it's he has

Anyway, I don't understand why America hasn't gone over to Korea if you're so concerned about WMDs and Terrorists and crap.

Note: don't double post, not good for your health.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-02-18 at 04:36:22
I was just trying to keep the topic alive ok?? jeez it was at the bottom of the list.....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KillerDrill900 on 2005-02-20 at 18:30:29
QUOTE(nuclearrabbit @ Feb 12 2005, 12:40 AM)
[center]The war on terror was a stupid idea in the first place. If we hadn't had such crappy foreign policy in the first place, there wouldn't be a need to have a war on terror.
I believe the cost of the war is somewhere around 2.5 trillion... Has anyone seen 2.5 trillion lying around anywhere? The money isn't there. The government has been going downhill for years... I think it's just started to speed up within the last 5...
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Yah i agree that the war was a VERY stupid idea the war cost alot because of a one small dude we should of stayed here and protect here instead of attcking
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-02-21 at 00:14:23
"The best defense is offense" - well the ancient, classic, and TRUE saying describes our military and our country. Like it or not, thats the way it has been no matter the what leader we have had.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-02-21 at 01:04:52
QUOTE(KillerDrill900 @ Feb 20 2005, 06:30 PM)
Yah i agree that the war was a VERY stupid idea the war cost alot because of a one small dude we should of stayed here and protect here instead of attcking
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In that case, the attacks will never stop. It gives the terrorists all the time in the world to develop something new. And it gives them the essence of power.

Yes, the best defense is offense. Because someone has to control the situation which grows. The War on Terror was not a foolish act at all...because it doesnt give terrorists time now to develop something new.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-02-21 at 02:04:01
QUOTE(Peazel @ Feb 20 2005, 10:04 PM)
In that case, the attacks will never stop. It gives the terrorists all the time in the world to develop something new. And it gives them the essence of power.

Yes, the best defense is offense. Because someone has to control the situation which grows. The War on Terror was not a foolish act at all...because it doesnt give terrorists time now to develop something new.
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exaclty wink.gif Why give them time to breathe? Why give them time to make bombs? Why give them time to get nukes? Why give them time to make money? Why give them time to sleep?

We (the world/ U.S.) should make them have to react to us not the other way around, we must fight a war on our terms, not the terrorist's. Why wait for another major attack to happen.

-Speaking on Bush terms-

Do you really think President Bush isn't haunted by 9/11? He thinks he could have done more to prevent that, he knows that in history HE was the president in power when America was attacked. Believe me, hes haunted by 9/11. thats why he is determined to do everything in that the american army can offer to hunt down and kill every single terrorist and supporters of terrorists, no matter what people think of him.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-02-21 at 02:38:46
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Feb 21 2005, 02:04 AM)
exaclty  wink.gif  Why give them time to breathe?  Why give them time to make bombs?  Why give them time to get nukes?  Why give them time to make money?  Why give them time to sleep?

We (the world/ U.S.) should make them have to react to us not the other way around, we must fight a war on our terms, not the terrorist's.  Why wait for another major attack to happen.

-Speaking on Bush terms-

Do you really think President Bush isn't haunted by 9/11? He thinks he could have done more to prevent that, he knows that in history HE was the president in power when America was attacked.  Believe me, hes haunted by 9/11. thats why he is determined to do everything in that the american army can offer to hunt down and kill every single terrorist and supporters of terrorists, no matter what people think of him.
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You cannot kill every single terrorist, But you can kill a majority of them. The less terrorists, the less of attacks, the more we learn on how to prevent them happy.gif

If so he thought he could do more to prevent 9/11, i dont think it was possible at the time.......i mean the planes didnt have far to go...and how would the airforce stop them since there were civilians in the back of the planes also ermm.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-02-21 at 16:08:59
I think a common misconception is that people, such as myself, are against the war on terror. If I came off that way, or even said that, I did not mean I was against it. It's all about the execution, the faulty intelligence, how Bush lied to us, the cost and the pressure place on the United States, and a possible draft that I am totally against.

If other countries chipped in more, say with 15,000 soldiers each, it would reduce the magnificent strain on our economy and military. However, this is not their war to fight, and who would want to go to war in the first place? Most people are not bloodthirsty.

The war is not only showing heavily in the areas of economy and military. It is also starting to bog down on the people. We were given expectations that the war would last a year or two. We're now in the fourth year if you count Afghanistan, which I do because that is where this all began. I mean, even with Vietnam, it was on a larger scale because we were at least attempting to save South Vietnam from the North. Here, there is no clear enemy. There is no clear objective, except extermination of terrorism, which is not a realistic one. It will be decades before terrorism is down to the a negligible amount, if even then.

My belief is that once all large-scale terrorist organizations are shut down small groups will be plentiful for time uncountable.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-02-21 at 17:03:03
QUOTE(Peazel @ Feb 21 2005, 07:38 AM)
You cannot kill every single terrorist, But you can kill a majority of them. The less terrorists, the less of attacks, the more we learn on how to prevent them  happy.gif

If so he thought he could do more to prevent 9/11, i dont think it was possible at the time.......i mean the planes didnt have far to go...and how would the airforce stop them since there were civilians in the back of the planes also  ermm.gif
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One of the planes used on 9/11 was shot down by the air force. It crashed in the country somewhere.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-02-21 at 20:31:57
QUOTE(CaptainWill @ Feb 21 2005, 05:03 PM)
One of the planes used on 9/11 was shot down by the air force. It crashed in the country somewhere.
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Wherever that was going, it wasent going anywhere. But there were people inside that plane...thats the thing about shooting planes down that have been hijacked...the people inside it have a greater chance of dying then escaping
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-02-22 at 02:19:08
QUOTE(aE-Felagund @ Feb 21 2005, 01:08 PM)
I think a common misconception is that people, such as myself, are against the war on terror. If I came off that way, or even said that, I did not mean I was against it. It's all about the execution, the faulty intelligence, how Bush lied to us, the cost and the pressure place on the United States, and a possible draft that I am totally against.

If other countries chipped in more, say with 15,000 soldiers each, it would reduce the magnificent strain on our economy and military. However, this is not their war to fight, and who would want to go to war in the first place? Most people are not bloodthirsty.

The war is not only showing heavily in the areas of economy and military. It is also starting to bog down on the people. We were given expectations that the war would last a year or two. We're now in the fourth year if you count Afghanistan, which I do because that is where this all began. I mean, even with Vietnam, it was on a larger scale because we were at least attempting to save South Vietnam from the North. Here, there is no clear enemy. There is no clear objective, except extermination of terrorism, which is not a realistic one. It will be decades before terrorism is down to the a negligible amount, if even then.

My belief is that once all large-scale terrorist organizations are shut down small groups will be plentiful for time uncountable.
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mmmm wow... thats all I have to say. I also want to know what news channel you watch. I wish people would stop saying bush lied bla bla bla. THIS IS WHY WE WENT IN TO FIND WMDs, Our intelligence told us saddam has got them, russian intelligence told our president saddam''s got them, British intelligence told our pressident that saddam has got them. So frankely of course our President thought saddam had WMDs if 3 different sources told him that saddma has them.

If me and yoshi and beer all told you the sky was green, and then you told your friend the sky was green and he called you a lair, are YOU really the lair, or me and yoshi and beer? (I know the sky is blue, Im just using this as an example wink.gif )

If you want to point fingers, point your finger's at our intelligence agency please and leave bush alone wink.gif .

Oh ya that plane was NOT shot down, the good american people on board tried to retake the plane, which somehow caused the plane to crash, but not get shot down.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2005-02-22 at 14:44:25
QUOTE(Capt.Will)
People here are now in an uncaring state about the war, and antipathy towards Bush and Blair is starting to disappear. That's because Bush hasn't done anything drastic yet. It also appears that Labour (yes, Labour - it's a proper noun) will win the election this year, putting Blair in for a third term.


Let's see... wait n' see it better.
And I thought that 2nd term is the further you can pull in G.Britain. Guess I was wrong. blink.gif

QUOTE(Felagund)
I'm just scared the Bush will help reinstate the draft and get all of us to fight his stupid war for him. He'll ruin America...


As if he didn't already with those policies of his (follow inside text n' links, please). Statistics show unemployment n' economic rate goin' worse, the false motives to into War in Iraq, the Kioto agreement back-of, the arrogant attitude that drove off usual allies, just to name a few.
For sums, the full works. What he could've messed, he did or at least tried hard. pinch.gif That's why I think he's one of the worst Pres you've had when considering history.

QUOTE(Stars-Chris)
"The best defense is offense" - well the ancient, classic, and TRUE saying describes our military and our country. Like it or not, thats the way it has been no matter the what leader we have had.


Funny, I don't recall it during Clinton's mandates... ranting.gif
Get your history brushed up before stating crap such as that. He opened a precedent when marching over Iraq without U.N.'s approval. And that, you must realize it's an horrible example to lay, especially when you're one of the founding countries. *Sigh*

QUOTE(Stars-Chris)
mmmm wow... thats all I have to say. I also want to know what news channel you watch. I wish people would stop saying bush lied bla bla bla. THIS IS WHY WE WENT IN TO FIND WMDs, Our intelligence told us saddam has got them, russian intelligence told our president saddam''s got them, British intelligence told our pressident that saddam has got them. So frankely of course our President thought saddam had WMDs if 3 different sources told him that saddma has them.

If me and yoshi and beer all told you the sky was green, and then you told your friend the sky was green and he called you a lair, are YOU really the lair, or me and yoshi and beer? (I know the sky is blue, Im just using this as an example wink.gif )

If you want to point fingers, point your finger's at our intelligence agency please and leave bush alone wink.gif .

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Not that biased news channel excuse again. See this (as above link, wich you also should see) for 'enlightenment'. Don't post without proofs of what you claim, when stating such b**ls**t, ok? Tks. bleh.gif
Edit add: Numbers of debaters sayin' the same without logical reasoning or proof to back it up, count to me as much to be sayin' that attended a miracle. mad.gif
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