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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2005-02-22 at 03:47:06
In the ancient and middle ages, many people believed that sickness if the punishment of God or the haunting of a spiritual being. Now with the advancement of technological equipment, we can detect viruses, the way they behave and also extract or even harvest vital chemicals and compounds to make medicine instead of people eating natural vegetations with nutrients or chemicals that aren't as concentrated.

Also with CAT scans and GE, many more sicknesses or even disabilities could be cured. Such as spinal damage could be healed with steam cell research etc. and the CAT scan can more clearer identify the patient's tumour with more correct analysis without X rays endangering the patient's health.

What I am trying to say here is that one day we may face a regional or global plague, such as the black death (Medical experts once predicted AIDS to rapidly spread across continetns, but it seems that we are still able to control the numbers of AIDS infected patients) and do you think we will be ready for it?

Will one day the entire human race become nearly immortals? Or immune to sickness?
Will one day the parents will be able the choose the genes of their own children? What effects might it cause?
Will someday hyper sleep really becomes a success and we can 'halt' a whole body's functions then reactivate it?
How about ressurecting the dead? How will this change our community?
Will there be long term cures for allergies?
What genetic engineering advancement will there be?

Basically post anything related to Medical Subjects here, such as GE, Diseases etc. Or start a debate on a certain topic. Just remember to quote the person you are responding to so people won't be easilt confused.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-02-22 at 17:31:46
Medicine. I was about to create a topic about this, actually, and since you said anything related to medicine here we go.

Homopathy medicine is a very conterversial remedy. It uses natural ingredients without active chemicals added. Instead of taking a pill with a lot of things that can cure a lot of symptoms (as well as developing a few by taking it), hompathy medicine targets what the problem is.

These are all natural, and gain potency by deluding the substance. Let's say there was a plant that caused you to have migrains. If you had a migrain and took the plant, it would actually counteract your migrain. The strange thing is that these remedies only work on humans, unlike pills you could buy from the store that work on lab rats. Since it is untestable besides using humans (and probably because the health board feels a bit of pressure of how well these work compared to pills), this practice is not allowed in the United States.

Why not? They sound much more effective in that they don't produce side effects. I hate popping pills as it is, but I really hate it when medicine that makes a cold go away makes my legs and arms cramp up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2005-02-23 at 03:07:44
QUOTE(FireKame @ Feb 22 2005, 04:31 PM)
Medicine. I was about to create a topic about this, actually, and since you said anything related to medicine here we go.

Homopathy medicine is a very conterversial remedy. It uses natural ingredients without active chemicals added. Instead of taking a pill with a lot of things that can cure a lot of symptoms (as well as developing a few by taking it), hompathy medicine targets what the problem is.

These are all natural, and gain potency by deluding the substance. Let's say there was a plant that caused you to have migrains. If you had a migrain and took the plant, it would actually counteract your migrain. The strange thing is that these remedies only work on humans, unlike pills you could buy from the store that work on lab rats. Since it is untestable besides using humans (and probably because the health board feels a bit of pressure of how well these work compared to pills), this practice is not allowed in the United States.

Why not? They sound much more effective in that they don't produce side effects. I hate popping pills as it is, but I really hate it when medicine that makes a cold go away makes my legs and arms cramp up.
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IF these medications work only on humans couldnt it be largely do to the plasebo effect.People thinking that it's good for them and their minds making it true for their body. one piece of evidence for this could be rats/ animals. the animals would have natural instincs telling them that they arereciving somehting harmful, or at most wouldnt know what they are getting. this would nullify the plasibo effect, this could explain why it works for humans and not animals.

as to the original question posted about total immunity? i think that would be a horrible idea. becuase eventual we would get rid of disease, then our immune system over time would progressively get weaker and weaker becuase we wouldnt need it, then one day we might find/ acquire a new disease, which would wipe us out becuase our immune system had been inactive for so long.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-02-23 at 22:08:44
It's impossible to get total immunity; strangs mutate often.

Even if it was the placebo effect, it helped, and without the nasty side effects. Unless of course it was delaying it, in which case it could be more harmful.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2005-02-23 at 23:04:31
QUOTE(FireKame @ Feb 23 2005, 09:08 PM)
It's impossible to get total immunity; strangs mutate often.

Even if it was the placebo effect, it helped, and without the nasty side effects. Unless of course it was delaying it, in which case it could be more harmful.
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true, it would be more harmful if it was delaying it... also if it was the plasebo effect, would be a lot cheaper just to use lettuce or somethign like that...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2005-02-24 at 00:40:57
Homeopathic medicine is a crock. Have you ever found a scientific report or study that arrives at the conclusion that any homeopathic remedy has worked that takes into account the placebo effect (30%-50% of people given any medicine, relevant or not, see a reduction in symptoms because of the placebo effect)? No. You know why? Because no homeopathic medicine provider would let their product be tested in such a scientific way - it could (and would) cast doubt on the effectiveness of their remedy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2005-02-24 at 01:48:19
The idea of parents choosing the genes for their children is a very scary idea... and probably a bad one. humans messing with the way life works usually ends in a bad situation... escpecially when it involves a ecosystem.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2005-02-25 at 00:53:22
I agree with Rhiom on this one, but in the discovery channel once it mentioned about this. But this would make the rich differ a lot more from the poor because only the rich can afford to alter their child's genes to make them physicially and mentally more stronger.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2005-02-25 at 17:15:05
QUOTE
Will one day the entire human race become nearly immortals? Or immune to sickness?
Will one day the parents will be able the choose the genes of their own children? What effects might it cause?
Will someday hyper sleep really becomes a success and we can 'halt' a whole body's functions then reactivate it?
How about ressurecting the dead? How will this change our community?
Will there be long term cures for allergies?
What genetic engineering advancement will there be?


1) Not inmortals but yes to immunity to sickness. Our organs will still fail to work after some time.

2) It is already posible to choose the genes for offspring. It sill hasn't been done in humans but Laboratory tests have concluded that it is possible and we have already done it.

3) Not many effects at all except the ones that you want. The only serious effect that I see is that the wrong gene might be chosen or the gene chosen is faulty.

4) We already have thet "Hyper Sleep" it's called freezing. If you freeze the human body at the correct pressure and temperature, it won't from icicle, thus it won't pierce the human body and the body will still be alive but in a "frozen state".

5) We can't ressurect the dead and we won't be able to do it simply because people die because their bodies have stopped functioning. Unless you replace some body parts, then it is posible.

6) There is no long term cure for allegies and there won't be one since allegies are a genetic syndrome and you can't change the genes of a fully grown adult.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-02-25 at 22:59:14
About organs failing, no drug we have created has completely wiped out a bacterium/virus. The most we have been able to do is work with our immune system, the liver almost everything to get rid of diseases. Drugs are normally used as identifiers.
An interesting fact I found last week is that some anti-depressants have been found to make mice live twice as long as they normally do. Also non-Alcoholic beer has been found to fight cancer and help liver growth. These are things that normally people think of as destructive to our bodies, which makes me think...

Your idea of "hypersleep" wont work for more than 15 hours, when the brain dies. They would have to be brought back before then.

The only way people can truely die is when there brain stops firing, a heart can stop forever, but as long as the brain is alive the body can be ressurected.

Stem cells exsist in adults as well as children, you can infact change the genes of an adult, but it has never been successfully done, as they end up with cancer.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2005-03-11 at 22:06:11
You dont need to wipe out the entire bacterium population in a human body to adversly effect it. even minmal pecenatges of bacterium deaths of the good kind can result in critical issues. thats why if you have had a drug or chemical that kills bacteria most doctors will suggest that you eat a lot of yogurt and cheese, in an attempt to gte back these good bactria fast enough so that the situation doesnt digress.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-03-12 at 00:37:06
QUOTE(FireKame @ Feb 22 2005, 02:31 PM)
Medicine. I was about to create a topic about this, actually, and since you said anything related to medicine here we go.

Homopathy medicine is a very conterversial remedy. It uses natural ingredients without active chemicals added. Instead of taking a pill with a lot of things that can cure a lot of symptoms (as well as developing a few by taking it), hompathy medicine targets what the problem is.

These are all natural, and gain potency by deluding the substance. Let's say there was a plant that caused you to have migrains. If you had a migrain and took the plant, it would actually counteract your migrain. The strange thing is that these remedies only work on humans, unlike pills you could buy from the store that work on lab rats. Since it is untestable besides using humans (and probably because the health board feels a bit of pressure of how well these work compared to pills), this practice is not allowed in the United States.

Why not? They sound much more effective in that they don't produce side effects. I hate popping pills as it is, but I really hate it when medicine that makes a cold go away makes my legs and arms cramp up.
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You could just stretch and work those muscles, its called going outside and running is good too (trying to be helpful+plus not flaming)

Even if we did find a way to live longer EVERYONE will get some type of cancer, its just nature+science. Cancer (as you all know) is just cells that stop doing their job and reproduce at a high rate causing more cells that don't do their job and so on and so on. Thats why it is difficult to find a cure for cancer becuase its random and natural.

It is also hard to fight viral infections becuase many viruses in our world can mutate themselves so our body+medicine can not detect them, and they mutate often.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-03-12 at 11:11:54
Actually cancer can be caused by a faulty gene, so in the next few years, there may be actually be a vaccine for cancer. I think one is nearly complete for that type of cancer down below for women, which I can't place a name on at the moment. Cancer is a scary, scary thing, but many less people are dying now than ever. Still, exercise and a healthy diet are the best medicines that you take before getting sick. Also try a multivitamin daily.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2005-03-13 at 05:41:50
Also scientific studies have shown that if you laugh a lot, even fake laughing, you icrease you life expectency, so laughing makes you live longer...lol, ie. lighten up
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