I have read into this subject a bit, about the rebirth of Israel in 1948. When the Jews first began to move back into Israel in the early 1900s, they helped work with the Arabs to farm, do masonry, etc. Essentially, they were great friends. Where did it all go wrong?
It all happend when the jews refused to give back the land that is Israel today, Now the arabs are pissed because they wont give it back, The arabs are the one that planted crop, ETC on the Israel land, And the arabs want there land back, But the jews wont give it up, Then it ended up into a big war...
It's really no one's fault. Everyone's got a reason for their actions and it just happens that they conflict.
You can't pin the blame on one group; at the time they were both conquering land. Something like this was bound to happen.
Actually, the Palestinians and their "allies" declared war on the Israelis and lost in just a few days. That's right, Israel beat all of its bordering countries at the same time. Since the Palestinian "allies" (Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc.) refused to take them in, they were stuck on the conquered land. But there's no way their leaders would allow them to get mad at other arabs, even though part of the blame for their current situation. This isn't to say that no blame lies on the Israeli authorities, either, but the Palestinian leadership is inciting the guerilla war with propoganda, not trying to heal the wound. Israel would always be under Palestinian attack even if they were to dismantle the settlements and meet all Palestinian demands besides giving back all of the land they won in the war. This is because of the hatred fostered by the Palestinian leadership. The Israeli leadership is inciting more and more violence on their own people by antagonizing the Palestinians, so there's no help from that end, either. All in all, it's a big mess that's being perpetuated by the leadership of both sides, and innocent civilians are dying for it.
Just thought the facts could be straightened out a bit, for those of you who don't keep up on such matters.
Actually Nozomu, I believe that the Arabic allies nearly conquered Israel before they staged a massive counteroffensive that pushed all enemy armies back. I believe it took several weeks, at least.
It's the united states fault.
I have heard that a lot of arab countries are pissed at america for giving american weapons to israel so they could defend/attack with a good army (this is later, not the 1940s or 1950s or 1960s I think, modern weapons). So it is and isn't our fault. Hell if we can't decide lets just blame it on Bush beucase that seems to be what every other problem is doing (blaming on bush)

QUOTE(aE-Felagund @ Feb 25 2005, 06:24 PM)
Actually Nozomu, I believe that the Arabic allies nearly conquered Israel before they staged a massive counteroffensive that pushed all enemy armies back. I believe it took several weeks, at least.
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It's called the Three Days War, if I recall correctly. I think the name speaks for itself.
It was certainly the most desperate of all the wars fought against Israel, and God knows there have been a lot.
And I think it was the Grand Mufti who ordered the general strike against Jews (like the pope of Islam).
QUOTE(isolatedpurity @ Feb 25 2005, 03:34 PM)
It's the united states fault.
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How is the United States' fault? You provide no arguement, no logical reason, nothing. While I think that it is partly the U.S. fault, but the U.S. was only giving Isreal to the Jews because of Hitler and the Holucaust (or however you spell it). They wanted Jews to have a land of thier own. Now naturally would anybodies country like it if the Jews and Christians came in and took hundreds of square miles? No! That's why Palastine and the other countries retaliated, and eventully lost. While I don't neccessarily agree that it's all the U.S. fault, I beleive that they are partly to blame. And from now on, please provide a good answer, or else we won't be able to debate you.
Why does everything always have to be blamed on someone else? Pointing fingers isn't going to help anyone.

It was already occupied by the British before the Jews came in. In our country, it'd be like letting Jews come in and live on the same land on which Mexicans live - all of America. It shouldn't be such a big deal. Jews became the majority, however, and thus took control of the land from the Palestinians. Eventually, the same will happen with the average American changing from caucasian to hispanic.
QUOTE(Mini Moose 2707 @ Feb 27 2005, 12:10 PM)
Why does everything always have to be blamed on someone else? Pointing fingers isn't going to help anyone.

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Because it's always somebody elses fault... well unless you do something stupid. Then it's your fault. But really it's not Isreal's fault... well not the majority.
When America thought they could help everything that was happening over there.
QUOTE(Nozomu @ Feb 27 2005, 11:20 AM)
It was already occupied by the British before the Jews came in. In our country, it'd be like letting Jews come in and live on the same land on which Mexicans live - all of America. It shouldn't be such a big deal. Jews became the majority, however, and thus took control of the land from the Palestinians. Eventually, the same will happen with the average American changing from caucasian to hispanic.
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Dude, America is a multi-racisal country. Meaning Americans are not just caucasian, Americans are any person who is a LEGAL citizen of the country. Grant it that the majority of the people who defend America are caucasians, becuase they believe in defending liberty with their lives, which I highly respect.
Now it is true that America has a bit of an ilegal imigration problem (i.e. hispanic people), which is mostly in California and Texas.
The point which I am trying to tell that Americans are black, white, tan, yellow, green, orange, red, and brown and any other color or race I left out.

Its just the Americans that you do see are the Soldiers and the upper class caucasian American (for some reason the T.V. cameras only focus on them

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Notice I used the qualifier "average". Read before you post.
I don't respect anyone who'd willingly die for an idea. I don't respect anyone who'd consciously make the choice to die for any reason given to them by someone else. Screw liberty.
QUOTE(Nozomu @ Feb 27 2005, 11:22 PM)
Notice I used the qualifier "average". Read before you post.
I don't respect anyone who'd willingly die for an idea. I don't respect anyone who'd consciously make the choice to die for any reason given to them by someone else. Screw liberty.
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Ya, average American that is my point! An average American is any one who is a legal citizen, not caucasain race, read before you post
QUOTE(Mini Moose 2707 @ Feb 27 2005, 01:10 PM)
Why does everything always have to be blamed on someone else? Pointing fingers isn't going to help anyone.

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Mini Moose, that is the most truthful quote i have ever heard on these forums. We may as well just stop posting because pointing fingers will not help anyone in this situation.
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Feb 28 2005, 06:22 PM)
Ya, average American that is my point! An average American is any one who is a legal citizen, not caucasain race, read before you post

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The average American is white. Do you need me to look up the population demographics at the Census Bureau for you, or are you able to do it yourself?
To pinpoint the problem on a specific group of people: they're called humans.
Read some other books like Lord of the Flies (really simple elementary book), and you'll understand.
QUOTE(Nozomu @ Feb 28 2005, 04:34 PM)
The average American is white. Do you need me to look up the population demographics at the Census Bureau for you, or are you able to do it yourself?
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Your impossible.....you still don't understand my point

That's because your point is irrelevant to my claim. The claim that the average American is white is correct. Remember, we're not using some magical, bipartisan, dramatic, visionary, or in any way abstract terminology here. I'm stating a fact, and you're telling me that every American is an American as a way of refuting that fact. So you're right, I don't get your "point" because it makes no sense.
No, I make perfect sense, your just dumb
