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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tazzy on 2005-03-15 at 12:22:31
I was thinking at work... The other day, opposable thumbs i hear alot about if we did not have them, all that we have created would have not been done..

I was thinknig, how do you really know this? *Im not one for being smart so Meh)
How do you really know? I mean we could have invented other thnigs... With out the use of opposable thumbs..

Does anyone understand what i mean?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-03-15 at 12:25:59
Opposable thumbs allow us to grab things and pick things up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tazzy on 2005-03-15 at 12:30:19
That is what i mean, If we never had opposable thumbs. We would grab or pick thnigs up some other way using only our 4 fingers.
Just think no human had Opposable thumbs we are smart enough. We would still go on life without them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-03-15 at 12:34:11
Guess that's y God made us opposable thumbs. So we can conquer the world !!!!

Ahem, without opposable thumbs, we cant even write! Written language is what makes us the most unique species here on earth.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ScrollMaker on 2005-03-15 at 17:40:51
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Mar 15 2005, 12:34 PM)
Guess that's y God made us opposable thumbs. So we can conquer the world !!!!

Ahem, without opposable thumbs, we cant even write! Written language is what makes us the most unique species here on earth.

Primates have opposable thumbs too, so it's not a unique thing to just humans.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-03-15 at 19:02:16
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Ahem, without opposable thumbs, we cant even write! Written language is what makes us the most unique species here on earth.

Not true.
It is possible to write without using your thumb, it's just harder.
Our opposable thumbs are a great tool, yes, but there aren't many things I can think of that absolutely require them; they merely increase speed and precision when manipulating objects.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-03-15 at 20:42:51
Without opposable thumbs we might have given up after getting frustrated. Unless monkeys and apes have apposable thumbs, then I have no idea. The first tools were things like pointy sticks =/ would it have really been a better idea to use those without opposable thumbs than to just whack things.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2005-03-15 at 21:02:45
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Guess that's y God made us opposable thumbs. So we can conquer the world !!!!

Ahem, without opposable thumbs, we cant even write! Written language is what makes us the most unique species here on earth.
I beg to differ, have you ever held a crayon in you hand and tried to color the whole paper very fast? In which way are you holding the crayon?
You can also grab and pick things up without opposable thumbs, just grasp it to your palm. If we had no thumbs our technology would be very unique, but still advanced.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-03-15 at 21:29:03
I disagree with everything you said about technology advancing... however...

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  I beg to differ, have you ever held a crayon in you hand and tried to color the whole paper very fast? In which way are you holding the crayon?


Maybe this is trivial but, it's a lot faster to colour the paper in a sweeping motion (using that handy thumb) than to grasp the writing utensil like a moron and start scribbling. Have you ever tried to write like that? It doesn't work out very well. Our thumbs are what seperates us from the animals! I don't see dolphins building anything. No one wants to grab things with their palms... know why? Because it's witchcraft! All the people I know who did that were burned!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2005-03-15 at 22:30:49
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Maybe this is trivial but, it's a lot faster to colour the paper in a sweeping motion (using that handy thumb) than to grasp the writing utensil like a moron and start scribbling. Have you ever tried to write like that?

Would you like me to post a screenshot of me writing near perfection like that? First you have to fork over your webcam.
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No one wants to grab things with their palms... know why? Because it's witchcraft! All the people I know who did that were burned!

It's not my fault you live near El Ghetto Taco Bell.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by D_Scypher on 2005-03-16 at 22:33:18
The creation and use of tools, or inanimate extensions that help the creature do something it wants to do, is one of the most clear displays of an animal's intelligence. Primates make tools all the time - using sticks to reach things, perfecting rocks to be sharp enough to break open coconuts, etc.

Tools can be made without apposable thumbs though. There have been scientific studies of birds who are able to reshape twigs or even a coathanger wire to use as a tool to get food or other things. They don't have apposable thumbs, but here they are showing signs of intelligence not often seen.

So... I think the advancement of a species has to do with the kind of intelligence they've evolved with more than the shape of their limbs. In a case like this, I think humans would be able to come up with something as long as they're able to survive and reproduce first, even without apposable thumbs.

...But obviously apposable thumbs sure as hell help a lot.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-03-16 at 22:43:13
Witchcraft! Burn the birds! Throw them off a cliff! ...wait a minute... proof that birds are witches, they can fly!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by D_Scypher on 2005-03-16 at 22:52:07
Q: If five birds are sitting on a fence and you shoot one down, how many are left?



A: Seven! What?! WITCHCRAFT!!!!11
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-03-17 at 00:38:58
Rofl.

Anyways...

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Maybe this is trivial but, it's a lot faster to colour the paper in a sweeping motion (using that handy thumb) than to grasp the writing utensil like a moron and start scribbling. Have you ever tried to write like that? It doesn't work out very well. Our thumbs are what seperates us from the animals! I don't see dolphins building anything. No one wants to grab things with their palms... know why? Because it's witchcraft! All the people I know who did that were burned!

Faster, yes, but as I said, it's still quite and readily possible.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-03-17 at 11:50:34
Do you want to live in a society of witchs?! Is that what you want?! Do you want to be Harry ****ing Potter?! I for one am against witchcraft! Who's with me?

PS: I think I'll make a garbage forum topic about this >>
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-03-17 at 14:05:03
You can pick things up without using your thumb, but it's much harder to do things that require some amount of precision. I tested this a while ago by trying to hammer in a nail without using my thumbs, sorry to say I hit my hand a few times, and dropped the nail on countless occasions. ever realize how hard it is to pick up something small without using your thumbs?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by StarmanJr. on 2005-03-17 at 15:47:31
Opposable thumbs just seems to make things easier because we learned how to utilize them effectively as a child. I've heard stories of people who were born without arms and are still able to do many simple tasks with their feet, such as eating and writing. If someone had no thumbs, I'm pretty sure he or she can learn how to use the other fingers effectively and efficiently
Report, edit, etc...Posted by .matrix//Merovingian on 2005-03-18 at 17:27:27
Opposable thumbs just make our lives easier. Without them, many seemingly trivial tasks (ie. writing) become much more difficult. One can eventually adapt to doing tasks w/out opposable thumbs, however.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Fortune on 2005-03-20 at 18:05:20
We wouldn't be where we are today, that's for certain.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2005-03-20 at 22:00:12
If you devoted as much time using things without your opposable thumb as you did doing things with your opposable thumb, it would be just as, or nearly as functional either way.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-03-26 at 15:12:02
Thumbs are what seperates us from animals... and having huge amounts of inteligence... pinch.gif pinch.gif pinch.gif

anyway, we would have diferent inventions in some ways, so we can do things better without a thumb. But we would just be behind in the timeline....
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