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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-03-20 at 23:30:09
We're in the middle of programming this, and I want to start taking suggestions. There may be several reasons why your suggestion might not be considered, and the main reasons are:
- Unpopularity of feature. We must evaluate features suggested based upon if it is it something that most people might use.
- Too difficult or Impossible. We have increased the flexibility of the website over invision's, but there are still limits to what we can do, and additionally it may be too difficult for one of us to make a extremely complex feature (me nor IP have so far pwned all of the more complex features and we're up for the challenge, however, we may have to face up to it that not everything is possible.)
- Feature can be abused. Obviously free minerals for everyone when clicking a hidden link is not something that will make SEN's economy very fruitful. Me and Isolated Purity take abusing of features very seriously, and we often run plans for programming by each other to get the pros/cons of doing it.
- Eats up system resources or adds too many queries. Everytime staredit.net accesses the database to retrive data, it requires a query to do so. A extremely complex query may take longer to retrive, or parsing it will take even more. Currently, SEN v5 is estimated to use about 6 queries for members per page load, and 5 for regular users and is extremely fast. This is an extreme difference compared to the 15 that invision currently uses. We're attempting to increase the speed for the pages so our host will be happy, and you will too, be happy for faster loading times.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-03-20 at 23:57:04
If you do add a respectability or other system; you have to make it based on a forumla of multiple factors. Any one simple thing is too abusable.

Not that anyone listens. I just get proved right by waiting tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-03-21 at 00:02:13
I will see if this is possible. It may be the future system of how we promote people to regular/elite status.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2005-03-21 at 00:03:18
Maybe my clans point script thing? tongue.gif
Just take out the comments. Those are stupid wink.gif.
The thing uses one query, one table, and four columns.
You don't need to log IP's becuase I don't know how to do that without making another table, and IP's are logged on the board anyway (Right?).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-03-21 at 07:29:06
We can't use programming made by other people unless they are an administrator... sorry.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SA_Max71 on 2005-03-21 at 08:56:27
I thought rexy made that script confused.gif


Anyways, I have at least 12 suggestions, but with SEN v5 coming out, I don't know if they will helpful and/or useful. (You do want suggestions for the next version, right? Because I don't exactly understand the point of your first post unless it's to a update on how far SEN v5 is to being completed.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-03-21 at 08:58:35
I want all and any suggestions anyone can think of. You want it, we'll try to do it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SA_Max71 on 2005-03-21 at 09:12:29
Ok then... Before I post them, you should know I made this over the course of 3 weeks, and this was even before it was official that SEN v5 was going to come out. So you should know some, if not all of these suggestions might not be useful or even actciptiable.



Here they are. (Or, you can open the attached document. You will need microsoft word to see it though.)[attachmentid=6612]


SEN modifications

1. Add a box that will explain why you are editing a post. If you have been on www.cprogramming.com ‘s forums, you will know what I mean. If you don’t, then the box appears below the post.
2. maybe add code that will be depended on the games that are running. For example, if one of the games was taken offline, then the status message would change to “<insert game name here> because <insert reason why it was taken offline>. I <the person that took it offline goes here> expect it to be back up and running by <insert date here>”.
3. Make it so I can’t send minerals to myself. If I send 1 mineral to myself, I won’t get it back
4. Maybe bring the bank back? And why was it taken offline? Were there so many bugs in it that it would be pretty easy to find one? Was it taken offline because people couldn’t resist exploiting these bugs?
5. What can mods can and can’t do? I know they have the power to look up a person’s IP address, so they can find out if a person has more than 1 account in their name.
6. There is a strong possibility I am going to get my own place in about 3 weeks. This means I will have 100% access to the internet. So this leads me to another question that has been bugging me for the last couple of months, but I haven’t had the resources until now (assuming I move out). Cheeze currently (or was, last time I checked) operating op staredit.net on US East. One, if I have some help from cheese (or someone else), would the necessary coding be put into place on SEN to see who is in op staredit.net on US west? Or for that matter, could bots be placed in the custom map making channel in both US east and west? These two bots would tell a user to go to www.staredit.net register there, and then make a post if they need help making maps.
7. add the necessary links to “check all boxes” in your control center (when your viewing your PM’s, topics, and forums you have). That way you won’t have to spend 10 minutes checking the boxes of more than 200 posts/PMs.
8. Let people see who is tracking, or subscribed to a topic. It would look similar to who has been SEN per day. By default this option is minimized.
9. Add the options where I can unselect a bunch of quotes with 1 click. In other words, I want to unselect a bunch of quotes by clicking on a button.
10. Add a feature for mods that will give a person a higher warn level. It will function similar to the person’s warn level, but it is independent. When this warn level reaches 100%, they get banned from the shoutbox for a while. So, in other words… There would be 2 types of warn level. One is global, while the other concerns only the shoubox. If the one for the shoutbox gets to 100%, the person is banned from the shoutbox for a while. The global one would function the same way it does now.



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I am quite tired right now. I will edit this post later...

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Why? Because, I will explain what I mean in #1 then....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-03-21 at 09:23:32
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1. Add a box that will explain why you are editing a post. If you have been on www.cprogramming.com ‘s forums, you will know what I mean. If you don’t, then the box appears below the post.
I can do that, but it'll be optional. Not required.

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maybe add code that will be depended on the games that are running. For example, if one of the games was taken offline, then the status message would change to “<insert game name here> because <insert reason why it was taken offline>. I <the person that took it offline goes here> expect it to be back up and running by <insert date here>”.

Reasonable. Will do.

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Make it so I can’t send minerals to myself. If I send 1 mineral to myself, I won’t get it back
We're already planning on fixing all these little quirks.

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Maybe bring the bank back? And why was it taken offline? Were there so many bugs in it that it would be pretty easy to find one? Was it taken offline because people couldn’t resist exploiting these bugs?
No, it was taken offline because it unbalenced the economy and new members would get no interest as other members would.

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5. What can mods can and can’t do? I know they have the power to look up a person’s IP address, so they can find out if a person has more than 1 account in their name.
Only admins can see your IP for security reasons. We may have some cool admin cross referencing tools to find out if you registered a double account, (which there will be no reason for, since name changes will be free, with some more additional features which gives you no excuse.

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6. There is a strong possibility I am going to get my own place in about 3 weeks. This means I will have 100% access to the internet. So this leads me to another question that has been bugging me for the last couple of months, but I haven’t had the resources until now (assuming I move out). Cheeze currently (or was, last time I checked) operating op staredit.net on US East. One, if I have some help from cheese (or someone else), would the necessary coding be put into place on SEN to see who is in op staredit.net on US west? Or for that matter, could bots be placed in the custom map making channel in both US east and west? These two bots would tell a user to go to www.staredit.net register there, and then make a post if they need help making maps.
We don't want anyone else running op bots unless its cheeze. I'm extremely strict on who has access, because I have no idea who'll be trusted today and if they can be trusted tommorow too. If you can develop some sort of bot that can output people in the channel on our page, please tell us, but the one we had in the past was far too unreliable.

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7. add the necessary links to “check all boxes” in your control center (when your viewing your PM’s, topics, and forums you have). That way you won’t have to spend 10 minutes checking the boxes of more than 200 posts/PMs.
IP is the javascript man, so he will maybe have to do that (maybe I can too). I think its possible. BTW what do you mean by topics and forums?

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8. Let people see who is tracking, or subscribed to a topic. It would look similar to who has been SEN per day. By default this option is minimized.
This feature may not be included in v5. Why? Its underused. Theres only like 3 people on these forums that actually subscripe to topics. Tracking may be better though, I think IP's handling that.

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9. Add the options where I can unselect a bunch of quotes with 1 click. In other words, I want to unselect a bunch of quotes by clicking on a button.
Actually, the multiquote feature will depend on IP. I know little of javascript, and can only use other peoples scripts or very simple things.

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10. Add a feature for mods that will give a person a higher warn level. It will function similar to the person’s warn level, but it is independent. When this warn level reaches 100%, they get banned from the shoutbox for a while. So, in other words… There would be 2 types of warn level. One is global, while the other concerns only the shoubox. If the one for the shoutbox gets to 100%, the person is banned from the shoutbox for a while. The global one would function the same way it does now.
We may not have a warning system no more. We haven't gotten to this stage yet but we will soon since the forums are almost done.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2005-03-21 at 10:04:55
There will be no warn levels of any sort, instead, it'll be like a super logging system.

Why select a billion quotes that you aren't going to quote? Most likely, it'll be a simple on/off switch like we currently have. If you, for some odd reason, selected 30 posts to quote and then changed your mind, refresh ;/. It's not that it wouldn't be too hard, I just don't think I want to clog up the screen with a "unselect all" button.

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maybe add code that will be depended on the games that are running. For example, if one of the games was taken offline, then the status message would change to “<insert game name here> because <insert reason why it was taken offline>. I <the person that took it offline goes here> expect it to be back up and running by <insert date here>”.
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Reasonable. Will do.

Ummm... I don't want to clog up our current navigation table. Offline will be determined by a switch in the database. I suppose I could have a small column for a reason, but it's not really necessary to know who took it off (1 of 2 people) or when we expect it back up (usually when we aren't feeling lazy to fix it).

What is topic tracking? Just a position in usercp that keeps a list of topics currently 'tracked'? Just tell me yoshah and I'll jump on it. Subscriptions, on the other hand, will probably be a definite no for reasons yoshi already said. Who wants to get spammed with emails?

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We're already planning on fixing all these little quirks.

We aren't fixxing anything because there's nothing to fix... it just sounds like we are transferring old mods or something happy.gif.
Really, at the moment, there is barely anything planned for items at the store, so far we're allowing people options like uploading a post background with no store item, so perhaps, we'll do away with the store completely?
Perhaps, take out donations completely, it'll totally kill people's desire to make 2nd accounts and replace it with something else? Like... possibly... registered store items? "Item: Ticket to Moose's Tournament. Cost: 200 m"? Sounds pretty hot to me.

The rexy script thing:
If all clans used the same point system, I wouldn't mind doing something such as. Even still, I wouldn't take your code because I could do it easily myself happy.gif.

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Only admins can see your IP for security reasons. We may have some cool admin cross referencing tools to find out if you registered a double account,

Shhh...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SA_Max71 on 2005-03-21 at 10:09:23
For number 1, Lets say, for example, Bob edited one of his posts. The would be a box available for Bob to say why he was editing it. This would be optional; if bob didn't put anything into this box it would show up as "no reason given" or it wouldn't show up at all.

For number 7:

I don't know about you, but I have at LEAST 400 topics I have suscrbied to. If I unsuscribe to them all, I have to spend about 45 minutes doing this. (Links: http://www.staredit.net/index.php?act=UserCP&CODE=26 and http://www.staredit.net/index.php?act=UserCP&CODE=50 )
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2005-03-21 at 10:19:42
There's a mass select / unselect button in the subscription page...
What does subscribing to a forum / topic actually do? happy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SA_Max71 on 2005-03-21 at 10:23:14
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Subscriptions, on the other hand, will probably be a definite no for reasons yoshi already said. Who wants to get spammed with emails?


Lol... I get about 300 e-mails from SEN over the course of 4 days. Anyways, that's not what I meant. There would be coding that allowes Billy to see who has taken a look at what topic. This optioin is just like the shoutbox - you can almost completely minimize this. Or, better, yet, you could get rid of it in your Control panel. Why is this useful? Well, if Billy wanted Sally, who created a map that Billy was really interested in, wanted to take a look at his topic he would know for sure if Sally has/hasn't taken a look at it. (That wouldn't be very hard to do, I mean, wouldn't it be part of how many views a topic has had?)

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Why select a billion quotes that you aren't going to quote? Most likely, it'll be a simple on/off switch like we currently have. If you, for some odd reason, selected 30 posts to quote and then changed your mind, refresh ;/.

Hmmm... what if you have already typed a lot of stuff and you can't put it somewhere else?

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There's a mass select / unselect button in the subscription page...
What does subscribing to a forum / topic actually do? happy.gif
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oh boy... I can't believe I missed that. But then, I am used to text saying "select all", which, when clicked on, it would do the same thing.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2005-03-21 at 10:33:41
QUOTE(SA_Max71 @ Mar 21 2005, 09:23 AM)
Lol... I get about 300 e-mails from SEN over the course of 4 days. Anyways, that's not what I meant. There would be coding that allowes Billy to see who has taken a look at what topic. This optioin is just like the shoutbox - you can almost completely minimize this. Or, better, yet, you could get rid of it in your Control panel. Why is this useful? Well, if Billy wanted Sally, who created a map that Billy was really interested in, wanted to take a look at his topic he would know for sure if Sally has/hasn't taken a look at it. (That wouldn't be very hard to do, I mean, wouldn't it be part of how many views a topic has had?)

Hmmm... Almost sounds like stalking to me.
Most likely not.

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Hmmm... what if you have already typed a lot of stuff and you can't put it somewhere else?

Then delete the bbcode for it. Having javascript take out bbcode text that was placed in a secondary page that was declared on another page would be damn near impossible.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-03-21 at 14:05:25
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Shhh...
Don't worry, they wont know HOW it'll be done biggrin.gif

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Ummm... I don't want to clog up our current navigation table. Offline will be determined by a switch in the database. I suppose I could have a small column for a reason, but it's not really necessary to know who took it off (1 of 2 people) or when we expect it back up (usually when we aren't feeling lazy to fix it).
He meant that if we take a section offline, it'll just state why. Thats not too hard to do, if we can get a nice function to write to config files working.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2005-03-21 at 14:33:21
QUOTE(RexyRex @ Mar 21 2005, 12:03 AM)
The thing uses one query, one table, and four columns.


QUOTE(Yoshi da Sniper @ Mar 21 2005, 07:29 AM)
We can't use programming made by other people unless they are an administrator... sorry.


Based on how she knows that and a LOT of other things around here, you might as well just hire her. Your bias is growing fairly obvious now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-03-21 at 14:40:11
Its not bias, its just that already as it is, we have 2 administrators programming. We sometimes overwrite each others file, make mistakes, debate, etc. Its managable, but having 3 people on the same code? I don't want to take on anyone else unless I speak with IP and we think long and hard about it.

Yeah, I've had people before who have done minor things for the website and expected to see their name in size 15px font at the bottom of every page, or when they do not like one of my decisions they expect me to remove their code/addition. I respect the fact they did it, so I get rid of it usually.

I don't want to have to go through that. Even though that rexy is a able programmer, I have had close friends betray me in the past. I know I tend to be overreactive about this sort of stuff, but its just a fact of life...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2005-03-21 at 14:48:01
No, I meant just let her send you the code if you like the idea and then you can use it. tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-03-21 at 15:27:19
I already have some clan function ideas. They can use rexys script for points or whatever, I don't really intend on doing that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2005-03-21 at 15:34:39
This will only be for the DLDB Administration section so not many people will be able to see the effects.

When approving files, there is always that file/map that is so bad or corrupted that you have to delete. I'd like it if, when I press the delete button I get a screen showing me what to do after I delete it. (In a very similar way for when we Warn people in the Forums).
I could automatically send a PM or e-mail to the person from that screen without havnig to open another one. I could also have Automatically generated messages for the more common errors like corruption.

It could be like this:

I delete a file and the Deletion Confirmation appears and I click Yes.
Then the screen like the warn thing appears and I have a big box for me to write text. I also have the option of sending the person a PM, E-mail or both.
Below this will be the Frequent errors buttons which can be chanegd by anyone with DLDB access tot he DLDB.

I could then label one of those buttons Map Corrupted and write a message that will already go with the button. Then when I get a corrupted map, I'll just click the button and it will automatically send that message with which I wrote with.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Jordan on 2005-03-21 at 15:51:04
maybe a clan database? like you have a database for clan maps and downloads like images. then it would sort things out easier
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2005-03-21 at 15:52:06
My only suggestion would make the damn edit function in the DLDB work.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2005-03-21 at 15:54:48
QUOTE(FierceMapMaker @ Mar 21 2005, 04:51 PM)
maybe a clan database? like you have a database for clan maps and downloads like images. then it would sort things out easier
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Mike told me that, that will be implemented in a simialr way.
Clans will have their own section in SEN(much like a profile) and you can click on a link which will show you all the files that members of that clan have submited/made.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-03-21 at 16:12:59
Beer: Something is already planned to make file administration easier x50.

Moose: Yes, clans will now have their own profile type pages, and it will be eaiser for them to manage it.
I'll make sure the DLDB is the best in the community with mega features wink.gif (I'm handling the DLDB btw)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-03-21 at 16:48:30
Heh when I read the minerals abuse clicking thing I got an idea. You could have like daily riddles that describe a certain link or place on SEN, and if you click the link you "hidden minerals" like in nick.com. Also inspired by nick.com you could have SC trading cards biggrin.gif It could be like a new game. You buy packs of cards with minerals and there are rares ones and stuff. And people can trade with them.
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