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Many would like to argue that marriage should be allowed only between a man and a woman (I'm talking about the secular, legal marriage here). I, however, believe that marriage should be born from a deep, fostered love, thus opening the road to homosexuals, and perhaps closing it for young fools that would get married on a whim. Some would say that this is degrading the definition of marriage, but I say that it is, instead, refining and enhancing it, meaning that my definition of marriage is between two people who love each other dearly.

Marriage is a legal status, and is not defined by Christianity or any other religion. It existed long before the Bible was written, so Christianity has no credibility when it claims to know the "true" definition of marriage. If marriage is defined by the Bible, why does America allow Jewish weddings? Or Greek Orthodox weddings? Or Islamic weddings? Or non-denominational weddings? Why do Christians acknowledge non-Christian weddings as binding? Because marriage is not a religious issue.

Christians usually do not really mind if it is a man and a women, and doesnt matter wot religeon. You can argue that homosexualism is a religeon but i doubt it. But marriage is usually between 1 man and 1 woman because they can mate and produce more. It is in nature. it is in science. But then again, homosexuals do can not mate unless they do something pretty bad. I am not sure y people want to be Gay, but it is their choice, their family they ruined. However i agree with Felagund. It is between two people. not between three. please dont go there....
Do not take anything i said as an offence, I dont mean to offend anyone

Nozomu brought out an interesting point, and I'd like to add that banning gay marriage will not, I repeat, will not make homosexuals magically turn heterosexual. So what is to be gained by banning it?

Personally...
I hate homosexuals.. but that hasn't blinded me, Love is Love and you can't deter people from it.. even if they are homosexual...

I do believe that,
Marriage isn't a legal status, but a spiritual bonding... not neccassaly through Christianity, but through the two lovers...

But,
Anyways,
I was unaware that Christians thought they knew the "true definement" of marriage.


Peace.

Well in Canada I am not very sure what is happening but right now we allow gay marriages but there are still desputes about it. We are still seeing if it should be ok or not, even though we already allowed it (<---- part that is confusing). But if they do allow gay marriage the definition of marriage will be changed. I just recently got a mail from the leader of my ridding asking us to not allow gay marriages. I don't think we should change the definition of marriage.

Wow... What a dolt.

No, you can't. Homosexuality has nothing to do with religion.

According to a quick search on dictionary.com

I have no problem with same sex marrage. There are certain privilliges available to married couples that shouldn't be restricted to strait people. If people don't want to change the definition of marriage then they can come up with a new word that applies to same sex marrige, but has all the priviliges available to a normal marriage.

How can you say humans defined marriage before God? Who made humans, huh? This is why I believe, personally, and most Christians do as well, that gay marriages aren't right.

Gensis 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his WIFE, and they shall become one flesh.

In that ONE verse it states TWICE that man marries woman, and woman marries man. What I look for is the fact that it takes time to mention a man and woman, but not a man and man. Had God wanted us to marry the same sex wouldn't He have taken the time to have people add that in? I think He would have. Well that is just one of the reasons Christians do not believe it is right for a man to marry antoher man and so on.

I agree as completely as it is in my capability to agree with this post.

Umm... what would that be? As far as I know, it's impossible for two humans of the same gender to produce offspring, unless there happens to be some extreme and amazingly unlikely mutation...

I am not sure y people want to like Fat, but it is their choice, their body they ruined(atleast, in the case of people with unhealthily high fat intake, of course).
My point is that it's a preference, just as people may disagree on what foods are yummy, games are fun, people are good friends, concepts are interesting, and so forth.
With training(whether forced on you, by where/when/etc you live, or by choice, by avoiding doing/thinking or intetionally making sure that you do/think certain things), preferences can be changed.

I just skimmed over this thread, I could be wrong, but no one said there was marriage before god, only marriage before Christianity.

Actually let's keep religion out of this thread for a change eh? That'd be much appreciated. Give me actual reasons, not beliefs that were shoved down your throat from the days of infancy, as to why gay marriage is bad.

That's perfectly all right for Christians, indie, but that's no justification for banning marriage for people who don't want to get married the Christian way. If it is, then it's also justification for presenting your daughters to an angry mob to save the sphincters of two strangers (Sodom and Gomorrah, for those who didn't get the reference). Do you condone that? Didn't think so. Back to the point, Christians can ban all gay marriages within their church, but there's no justification for banning it for non-Christians, or Christians who want a non-denominational ceremony. But hey, no one said Christians have to recognize gay marriage as valid, as long as they don't force their views on other people.

you make it sound like christians are the only homophobes, nozomu...

To stay on topic, I really don't know yet where I stand on all of this. Fair?

I believe the true meaning of marriage is between a man and a women becuase through out history, traditionaly its been man+women. I believe this becuase only a man and a women can 'naturally' create life with out the assistence of science (planting an egg in the women). I really don't mind if homosexuals get married, becuase its not that big a deal to me. I just want to know why it is such a big deal? Why did they feel they need to it written down on paper that they are married? Why is marriage so important to them? Its just a phrase, but now a days married couples get benefits. I have been told by family members that some, NOT ALL, but some homosexuals get married becuase they see the profite of marriage advantages. thoughts any one?

FK, I was responding to indie, and so tailored my response towards the Christian viewpoint. Please forgive me and let me live!!!1!11!

Marriage is an acknowledgement of commitment, and they feel that they deserve that acknowledgement. And some do want the financial benefits of marriage, as well.

Off-Topic: *giggles* Indie

On-Topic: Who said anything about "Christians" banning gay marriage? I thought the government was doing all that? And my church doesn't believe in BANNING gay marriage....we don't like it but I mean we can't judge someone you know? So wherever you got the notion that Christians were banning gay marriages please tell me. And I don't force my views on other people....I just try to outline it(many....many..well MANY times). So yeah tell me where Christians are banning gay marriages because I think it is wrong(although I doubt they ARE banning them...maybe just a slip or soemthing?). So yeah.

Off-Topic: *giggles* INDIE!!!!!

George W. Bush proposed an amendment to the United States Constitution that would federally ban gay marriage as part of his "faith-based initiative". The very terminology used indicates that he has a religious agenda, and not a secular one.

Oh I see. Well I think he has errored greatly. God did NOT say to ban people who sin. If someone were to commit murder do we kill them in the name of our Lord?(well we do kill them....but not for religiuos reasoning). If George is banning gay marriage for religious reason he is falsely representing his religion. Whatever it may be that is. I personally think it is wrong but was not aware he was doing it for religiuos purposes.

If homosexuals can marry, I want to marry two women. I can "love" two women at the same time, can I not?

Lol, sure that everyman dream. In some religions you can. But if two people love each other what is wrong with them getting married, even so its male:male or female:female you cannot help whom you love telling people cannot love another of same sex is like telling a kid he cannot have friends, which is very cruel. May say in bible you cannot do this and that. This is modren era, we have evolved passed bitchin about homosexuall's let them live there life like everyone else, let them marry and so on. Stopping them will just cause more chaotic bullshit in this world. It says we have freedom but we dont, we are bound by laws which effect many people, very much effects gay community of the world.

Actualy, personally, I don't see what would be wrong with that, if you did love* them.
Of course, it's hard to define whether someone does or not, but oh well. But then, people would be mass-marying just for the hell of it, and that would start people complaining, and... augh...

*I would have said '"love"', with quotation marks, but IP already did, and for some reason that makes me uncomfortable to do that...
The reason I would have put quotation marks is stated in the line below it. That, and I can't remember ever loving(even family), so I don't know much about it.

IP's just afraid that I'd marry all the women in the world, and there'd be none left for him.

Lol Nozomu.

Anyways,
Straying back to the topic at hand.
Personally,
Bush only proposed banning gay marriage to get votes, obviously, he's republican, the scum of the earth, next two twelve year old faggots on XBL, anyways.

I don't think Christians appreciate Bush representing us, I know I don't, I hate the man, but that doesn't belong here so I'll quit flaming him for now .

Anyways,
Some Christians like, I believe indescive mentioned, don't like gays marrying, BUT they can live with it, Bush maybe extremely prejudice towards them, who knows.

Ok first, indecisive, i thinks its rather unfair to ask you post not to turn into chrisitianity bashing, yet when religion is asked to be kept out of this, you keep throwing it in. Second, a big thing America has done is the seperation of Church and State. If your athiest, does that mean you can't get married? No. Homosexuals are still Americans, meaning they have rights, the same ones we do. This is kind of like the ban in the 1960s on Racial Marriage to another race. We wouldn't even consider that right in this world, so i hope our opinion on restricting rights of homosexuals. Remember, all men are created equal both through the government's and God's eyes.