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I've been up on B.net lately...only to find that 95% of the maps are bounds/defense. What's going on? How many defense and bounds you still want? No offense, but defense and bounds are getting pointless now. Stop making them please to reduce the lamage of defense and bounds on B.net and let the real good maps come up.

That was a terrible pun...

And the real good maps are to comlicated for the the generic fools of Bnet. Defenses are fine. Bounds currently suck

I agree Defence is fine because you can different types of defence maps but with bounds they are almost all the same. Nowadays they are all square terrain with a picture with explosion levels. Not too much variety you can have with bounds but defence maps, you can.

It's mostly the noobs or people that don't even know about SEN or mapmaking community that make pointless bounds and crap defenses. Most of the "popular" maps on bnet are old made by people you never see.

The last two defenses I made were completely 100% original (Crystal Cannon D, and Bridge D).

If I ever made a bound, you would be guaranteed to see things you've never seen in a bound before. I have close to 10 things I would put in a bound that I've never seen and I approve them almost everyday in the DLDB.

What needs to stop are defenses that aren't original, and bounds that aren't original.

Right now every defense map is down to your generic buy units, kill, get cash, upgrade, buy units kill ... With the same old units, and the same old Enemies.

Every bound is just a set of explosions that repeat. With your occaisional "fire" obstacle. It's stupid, it's loud, it's annoying. And I'm getting sick and tired of seeing images on the map and hearing gay music with no option to turn it off, with those little boxes where people put every person they know on bnet including those they just met 1 day before finishing the map.

I hate that it takes me about 10 minutes to find a decent game, then it is full. Defense maps are ok when there's nothing else. If I don't find anything, I pop on over to the asia server. Some good games are old, like life of a civ (btw, could anyone plz send me that?).

Defence maps are always great. I don't see how you can argue that they suck. Bounds on the other hand, all you get is the same obstical over and over with different terrain. Some bounds are truly awesome and should have been made. If I was on my home computer, I would post a map that would have you laughing so hard. 'My Bound' It isn't even square terrain. It had 3 obs!

Defense maps are true.

I think less of bounds though. The only reason we host them, is because its still considered a UMS, and somebody out there has to like them or else they wouldn't be so popular on battle.net.

However, they are not as frequently downloaded here as other maps.

Just thank god that our DLDB has bounds all in one category instead of scattered in "other".

yoshi is right. If the bounds were scattered into the other cattegories those cattegories would get less hits becuase it would be less organized.

Well maybe you guys have been seeing too many version of the same map.
i have, and like 1/3 of them are rigged.

all of mines are original, i like to combine stuff and mix it up a bit.
Though some concepts you to copy to make your map even good.

I like Defenses before but nowi dotn even bother playing them...(what the heck is independent defense?)

Personally, I'd like to see some more madness maps
Defenses are cool!

Not all Bounds/Defense Maps are unoriginal . Heres Some I can think of:

Defenses:
-Pressure Defense
-Observer Defense

Bounds:
-Time Up Bound

Anyone Care To Add? I know there are more.

well in my point there is to many bounds but they never made a bound that filled up the whole map i think.
but defences are still fun you can make lots of changes and weird things but the only thing i hate about the defence is stacking sssssooooooo boring.

at least make more rpg or war maps becauce those goes first in line.

BOUNDS:
Bounds get old to make after a while (Ask my friends, I have only finished like 1 and it was prolly verry buggy). My bounds get unoriginal after a while, so I stop (Its against my releigon to make an unoriginal map, where I got releigon? idk.)
I am making a bound that has a twist, but it isn't that special because it alters hypertriggers (changes them) thus changing the rate the explotions pop up. (No stealing my idea or I will have to shoot you!)

Defences:
NO MORE 10 WAY!!! THERE IS LIKE INFINITE VERSIONS OF THAT!!!!
There fun just as long as it isnt one of the Sunken D 2000 series (All exactly the same except like 2 changes (if even that), and an added name *cough*2006*cough*) or Sunken D advanced.
I would like to see a really cool Übered up Choose your Defence that has original choices, and something strange an unique. Not just Cannon, sunken, bunker, ghost, archon, lurker, and whatever the others are. (Something like civilian, something that someone would have never thought of. But if no one would nor could, how would you find it )
Wow, i'm going to use my civilian idea.

Good defences I have seen:
Crystal Defence (Invisible bunkers, but it adds a crystal so it appears as the crystal attacks)
Pressure D
Beacon D

Bounds:
A few at first (when bounds were pwng) but they got old.

Something new please? (Not D, Bound, Madness, RPG, or anything that people currently make, I mean new)

Yes... all defense maps suck. That's why we have stuff like:

- Trigger Happy Defense
- Pressure Defense
- Crystallic Cannon Defense
- Loony Defense
- Etc...

In fact, the reason why I'm making the map that I'm working on now (Mario Party Defense) is to (hopefully) bring some originality into the Defense map genre...

Don't be too hard on us defense map makers... we try

Ahh.. all defense maps arent unoriginal.

How about 100 way defense? That was pro.

I don't see like any bounds anymore, and most defences are fun

Thats strange, because tons of people make them and they constantly flood the DLDB.

Interesting...

defense and bounds are the public's choice.
whenever i look around, i still c heaven bound in the game list.

Eh...I just made a small map called Defence Of The StrongHold, You can be the Defenders/the StrongHold or be the attackers. It seems good.
Only bug is that when you mass your units to the top of the StrongHold and the units that are in the field just runs around like idiots. Its just the beta version its not final yet, but playable!

Theirs no more good and uniqe bounds in bnet. Defence is ok but then just not much uniqe things and maddness its pretty much the same thing even with golems.
Even RPG even though the storyline is different its the same thing with spells, terrain/unit placing. Arena games are the ones that I think are better then the maddness games.

How can we stop all of them? Theres some korean map makers that they always make bounds at asia that spreads to other servers. Yet Korean Map Editors looks way different then ours.

......its true 95% of the games in public are BOUNDS/DEFENCES/MADNESSES.....

ive gotten so tired of it i dont even play SC anymore enless its melee or private games with my friends which hasnt happend lately......

u cant even RP with the public anymore without getting atleast 4 n00bs who barely even know what RP stands for......

BOUNDS/MADNESSES should all die and be banned from b-net.....even though its not possible this is what i think......ignore the non-use of punctuation and capitalization because that is how i type when its not extremly important......

DEFENCESES - i can deal with them but theres sooooooo many there basically the same game with a few changes....

EXACTLY!!! Sunken Defence 2005, Sunken Defence 2006. What is the difference? 1. A new name. 2. ??? nothing.
(Ctrl+A)

Listen, lemmie get this out of your head. They aren't pointless. Secondly, you cannot tell people how to feel, you can't tell everyone that they cannot play maps because YOU don't like them. Thats like restricting free speech.

Finally theres a reason why "95% of the maps are bounds/defense." Bounds and defenses are easy to pick up and play and are loads of fun with friends. Theres never a time when joining one of these games results in a bad idea.

Other games (though they are better made), are more difficult to learn, or have much strategy and etc. that you must use to play like TeamMassArena. These are intense games with pvp. These games are harder to play and require much skill.

Bounds and defenses are pvc, and require less skill.

Simplicity is the key for mainstream maps.




Why are people noobs if they don't know what RolePlaying is? Thats like asking you what CORPS, GM, FF, or TMAE is, Oh? You don't know what that means? Does that mean you are a noob?

Bounds shouldn't die. Hey, I think you should "die and be banned from b-net." Thats only an opinion and cannot be determined from you or me. You have no control over other people or what they want to make.

Defenses.. you do know why people create maps. Some create for personal joy, others create for popularity. Hey, you do whatchu gotta do for what you want.

um...

I make bounds. but I don't expect people to like them...
They do get old after a while...