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You want to know why we kill terrorists and insurgent scum bags? Because in their manuels they explain targets of interest which include, jewish/christian tourists and VIPs of any kind. They also explain in the Al Queda training manuel how to torture and murder prisoners. The link below shows videos of our people being murdered on Muslem News by terrorists. WARNING: This is extremely graphic.....If your having trouble just turn off your sound. THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE CAPABLE OF AND HAVE BEEN DOING THIS EVEN BEFORE WE INVADED IRAQ in the first iraq war.

Half way down the site on the right you will see KNOW YOUR ENEMY and links to the videos to watch them.

again I URGE A WARNING.

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/index.html

Yea, no question about it those terrorists deserve what there getting. It's nice to know they can't operate quite as freely now. As for Osama, I suspect he's already dead a victim of the earlier boming in Afghanistan but terrorist groups still need to be dealt with before they get ahold of weapons of mass destruction and really make a mess somewhere .

yes, terrorists are unforgivable for destroying WTC, Pentagon, killing many innocent, taking ppl hostage and cutting their head off.
A terrorist should not be granted mercy

Hmm... We've killed far more innocent people in our conquest of Iraq than Al-Quaeda ever has. But yeah, terrorists have done the rest.

What the point I was trying to make is even before the FIRST iraq war, they were training like this. And when we kill innocent iraqi civilians, its not on purpose, its not cold blooded-on camera deal. Its either a soldier too trigger happy or a commander with bad intel. or an iraqi civilian who are cought in cross fires between insurgents and our soldiers. Personally I can't one of our soldiers killing an iraqi civilian intentionally, just for fun. But I see all your points.

The terrorists aren't killing people just for fun, either. They're just doing what they see as the most effective way to accomplish their goal, which is to demoralize their enemies. We do the same thing. Remember when we aired photos of Saddam's dead children, hoping it would demoralize the insurgents? We use the same tactics as them, when we need to resort to that extreme. Put in the same situation as them, backed into a corner, I see no reason why we wouldn't resort to the exact smae tactics when we've exhausted all other options. There's no moral high ground in war, despite what George Bush says and what Fox News reports to the country.

im sorry I didn't know where fox news came into this.....and as I recall we didn't show Saddam's son's having their head cut off while screaming and trying to breathe, with their wind pipe's in desperate need of air sticking out, fighting for life as arteries continue to pump blood out of the body.....still alive untill the very last cut of the spinal cord.

We didn't do anything to saddam's sons as barbaric as what these low lifes have done to civilians and we didn't air their dead bodies to demorilize the insurgents. We did it to comfirm to EVERY one that we got his sons, with how bad America has been to you, would you believe it if we said we got Saddam's sons with no PROOF??? The photos were proof, plain and simple. These insurgents have been told to do this before the first Iraq war, through training manuels, being pushed up against a wall? hahaha.

Don't try to justify what they have done...they aren't backed up against a wall, the insurgents are killing Americans everyday, their war against us is far more effective then our war against them...plain and simple. Its the facts that I hate and those are facts Im telling you.

Are you kidding me? First of all, I know what happens when someone's head gets cut off. You won't convince me that it's any more vile than it already is by using such colorful language. In fact, it weakens your point because it makes me feel as if you're resorting to a plea to emotion fallacy. That aside, we did what we did as proof that we were tough enough to kill Saddam's sons, and terrorists behead people to show that they are tough enough to take hostages and kill them. If beheading people didn't "improve" the image they're attempting to project, they wouldn't do it, and the same goes for showing bodies on TV.

We murdered tons and tons of civilians with our bombing and shelling, and yet I don't see you dramaticizing their deaths. Death is death, no matter how it happens to you. In fact, I would prefer the quick death of beheading to being trapped under rubble for days with grievous wounds (which is what happens during bombing). What we do is far less humane, and many more civilians have suffered from our attacks on the terrorists than have suffered due to their attacks on us. Those are facts, too. Except I look at them from a very different perspective than you. I'm not filled with dramatic, emotional, patriotic spirit. Maybe that's why I look at things from all angles, instead of just "terrorists are bad because the TV said so". In my opinion, the terrorists are just trying to accomplish a goal which is no different from our own - to take over the world. But Al-Quaeda and America go about it in very different ways. Who are you to say which way is right?

proof please, proof we showed pictures of Saddam's evil sons on T.V. to look "tough". mmm 'murdered' mmmm last time I checked, the definition for murder is "The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice." and if you don't know what malice means "A desire to harm others or to see others suffer; extreme ill will or spite"

mmmmm I'm sure our soldiers desired shooting at civilians, and liked seeing them die. And the unlawful part of it....We made it crystal clear that we would declare war on terrorists and any country that harbored them. Iraq harbored terrorists. Period, that is a fact. And I know there are evil countries in Africa, chill...we got to sort out things in Iraq first before we deal with Africa.

and I really can't believe you are actually justifing the terrorists actions. Would you say that to paul Johnson's parents/friends?

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Nozomu: I'm really sorry the world had to see your son/friend Paul being beheaded on T.V. But its ok for the terrorists to cut your son/friend's head off becuase some of our bombs missed their targets in Iraq.

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And WHAT GOAL do you think the terrorists have? I know, it all started when America supported Israel. THATS why they hate America and any Westerners.

You really think terrorists hitting CIVILIAN BUILDINGS aka The world trade center is ok? you think its right?

And I don't get my terrorism opinion from T.V. I can't trust it cause so much can be filtered and untrue. I get my news from Army Ranger Brad Jenison, who has been to Iraq and Aphganistan and has gone back to Iraq now for 3 more months. Hes the few I will actually listen to becuase mm I don't know...BECUASE HES ACTUALLY BEEN THERE. I also read books.

and yes you are absolutly right, America wants to take over the world........right..... lets see lets see how long that statement lasts.....

and do you know anything about modern day ballistics? You would instantly be killed if your any where near a blast that would pour rubble on you. You really need to stop watching movies, real life is really different.

I don't know about you, but I would rather have the instant death of an explosion then a pretty painful death of up to 6 seconds of being alive while the terrorists try to saw/cut through your spinal cord.

I am only using those 'colorful' words to get the picture across to you.

I think we should kil all terrorist, even if it kills some innocent ppl in the long run it will be better cuz if we kill the terrorist they would of eventually killed far more then the innocemt we killed.

Im appauled at the level of ignorance and misinformation going on here.

For the better part of a century, the U.S. has been running around picking fights in other peoples countries, training and arming mulitia groups and terrorists so long as it suits there own interests. and know its come home to bite them on the ass and theyre acting all surprised.

Even bushes own advisors, INCLUDING collin powell acknowledged that in hindsight there was no point going to iraq, in other words it was ill advised to go into iraq.

this is bush's vietnam and just like vietnam there will be many casualties on all sides, and the real instigators will walk away not only Scot-free but wealthy!

you guys need to seriously reconsider your election process....

*Almost- as bad as we do.. were stuck with that sawn-off little roofing nail for a prime minister.. whos doing suck in order to try and strengthen his own position. We were never given a parlimentary debate before our troops were sent in and now bush and howard have made australia a target which the australian people never wanted.

I feel for the iraqi people trying to get on with thier lives after Sadam (whom the CIA supported in the first place in order to lean on Iran.) We should be offering them assistance not bombing them into oblivion.

im sure they would love for bush to go home and deal with his trade defecit and the illegal operations of Multi-national corporations.. There doing more damage then terrorists EVER will.

What about Abu Grabe how is that not terrorist activity? its directly aimed at the population of iraq to demoralise them. theres no way a reserve unit from virginia had the specialist knowledge, to humiliate and demorilise arabic men like that. That was specific and it was nothing better than terrorist activity.

The oil in iraq is a resource belonging to the iraqi people and they should be aloud to determine there own markets.

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Im appalled at the level of ignorance and misinformation in this debate

For the better part of a century, the U.S. has been running around picking fights in other peoples countries, training and arming mulitia groups and terrorists so long as it suits there own interests. and know its come home to bite them on the arse and theyre acting all surprised.

Even bush's own advisors, INCLUDING collin powell acknowledged that in hindsight there was no point going to iraq.

this is bush's vietnam and just like vietnam there will be many casualties on all sides, and the real instigators will walk away not only Scot-free but wealthy!

you guys need to seriously reconsider your election process....

*Almost- as bad as we do.. were stuck with that sawn-off little roofing nail for a prime minister.. whos sucking in order to try and strengthen his own position. We were never given a parlimentary debate before our troops were sent in and now bush and howard have made australia a target in a war which the australian people never wanted.

I feel for the iraqi people trying to get on with their lives after Sadam (whom the CIA supported in the first place in order to lean on Iran.) We should be offering them assistance not bombing them into oblivion.

im sure they would love for bush to go home and deal with his trade defecit and the illegal operations of Multi-national corporations.. They're doing more damage then terrorists EVER will.

What about Abu Grabe, how is that not terrorist activity? its directly aimed at the population of iraq to demoralise them. theres no way a reserve unit from virginia had the specialist knowledge, to humiliate and demorilise arabic men like that. That was specific and it was nothing better than terrorist activity.

The oil in iraq is a resource belonging to the iraqi people and they should be allowed to determine their own markets.

well said.

some one has seen farhenheit 9/11 i think.

well i feel we freed the iraqi people and we aren't 'bombing them any' since there is no 'them' any more. Insurgents are there now and you can decide a building to blow up becuase insurgents move too quickly. The american armed forces are HORRIBLE at moving quickly when information is given. Thats why the Army is developing Stryker Brigades to be able to move faster and be more flexible.

And America is getting all this crap about how we supported different countries that are now our enemys. Do you forget that Britain and America were once enemies and now are best friends? well...at least allies now... No knew what the future would hold. Politicly to was correct to support groups that were in the best interest of America.

We will deal with Abu soon, trust me....

yes the oil in Iraq is theirs. But if American Companies are buying the oil from Iraq, doesn't that help the New Free Iraqi economy? I see it as a win win situation for america and new free Iraq.

Person A punches Person B.
Person B punches person A.
Me: OMG! B punched A, right in the nose, look at all the blood coming out, the pain must be excruciating!
Nozumu: Umm... yes, that's all very bad, but A also punched B...
Me: DUDE wtf why are you justifying B's actions?!
Nozumu: I'm just pointing out that A also punched B...
Me: So what?! I really can't believe you are actualy justifying B's actions...


Just so you know, the force of the blast won't be the exact same at the center as it will be at the edge of the blast radius.
If you're far enough away, it might not actualy kill you. Not only do the walls shelter you partially, but you are much, much smaller, giving you much, much less surface area to be effected.


Knowing what humans are like, I doubt that it's likely that someone that wouldn't want world domination would manage to become president...


You shouldn't have to. If your position is unbiased, and if it's not then you shouldn't be arguing, then you shouldn't need to add words that are purely for spurring emotional reaction.


Personally, I think that any death below 10 seconds isn't too bad, no matter how painful it is. I would much, much, much prefer a painless death, but, personally, I'd rather go through 10 seconds of blinding pain then a painless death if it meant that people wouldn't react like you are. Of course, a situation like that would never occur, but if it did, then that's my position. 10 seconds, after all, is not a long time compared to a lifetime, even a relatively 13-year one, or the eternity of blankness, or Heaven, or whatever comes after death.

Did you guys even watch the videos? There are pakistani, korean and Nepalese beheadings too. Im sure they deserved to be be beheaded too.....

I watched the video I was pointed toward.
And I don't see how the video itself is worthy of being pointed out now. We all know what the video is of.

S.T.A.R.S.-Chris is entrenched in his own perspective, not listening to any of us. his taken this propaganda hook line and sinker, these are the people that put bush in place, these are the people that are gonna be wondering what the happened when someone nukes U.S.A...

and the rest of the world's just gunna be saying "about time"


S.T.A.R.S-Chris Are you really that thick? i mean no offense to you whatsoever..
but you should listen to what were saying..

Please..

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Stars-Chris your gunna have a job as a salesman for sure..

or you could get into politics


I saw a video on funniest home videos..

there were 2 kids. 1 and 2.

1:pushes 2 (very hard)
2:punches 1 in the face
1:drops 2 (gets onto the floor by a combination of pushing and tripping) and starts kicking 2 while 2 is on the floor
The mother walks in
1:starts crying and holding her face

perfect example of America

I think what Chris is twisting to his advantage is our unsupport of the war. He's twisting it in such a way as to say that we support the terrorists. The terrorists are bad, and they deserve justice for what they have done, but at what cost? I don't like them - I hate them for what they do, but that does not mean I'm going to sacrifice the stability of my nation to "take them out."

P.S. For those of you who have not watched the videos yet... I suggest that you don't. I watched about 10 seconds of the first one and then closed it.

I'll admit i am entranched in my opinion that the terrorists need to be killed.

But what you guys don't know is that I live in the Seattle Area. One of the biggest liberal/democratic places in the Pacific North West. I get your guy's opinion ALL THE TIME. During lessons my teachers some times throws in a punch or two at Bush. And I geuss I shouldn't act like I have heard the same arguements over and over but I have. My dad is the biggest liberal I know.

So basically don't think I don't listen cause I do. I have to every night when at the dinner table my dad turns on msnbc and then tells me how bad Bush is and I have to sit there listening to him.

Also:

I think Im either going to be an Architect, or be an Army Ranger. I feel like I want to do something for the greater good of America, like help homeless people or something.


and no offense www.com.au but how would you know what a good example of America is......

By not having his head shoved firmly up his ass. It's really easy to paint everything black and white, but it's just lieing to yourself. Sure, good has came out of the war, but it's at the price of arresting Arabic Americans with the only justification being their nationality, and furthermore, doing so without trial, and imposing restrictions on freedoms. It's the McCarthy era all other again, anyone well versed in history should see just how similiar these events are. "Oh no, the Soviets have a nuke!" "Oh no, Al Quaeda have bombs!". Do you remember getting nuked by Russia? Oh yeah, right. That's obviously different.

Where are the terrorists? Where do they originate from? I'll tell you where...Earth.

We need to put all of those nukes we got to good use, and blow that place up. No more terrorism for us.

Good point Theoritical human (sprry cant spell)

It has happened (beleive it or not) before and you DIDNT get nuked () but america KEEPS doing it.

one day theres gunna be a straw that broke the camels back...



lol.. i didnt mean like the citizens in america, what i meant was that is how america has been acting over the past 60 years..

i think the only reason ure entrenched is because you just want to hear (or beleive) something different than what has been pounded into you in your area.

but surely you must know.. youll hate me for saying this BUT bush IS a bad man..

the things he does..


He even cheated to get into power in (what year was it? im sorry bad memory.. i think it was) 2003, They changed it so that criminals cant vote, so that people with similair birthdates to criminals couldnt vote, the people with similair CREDIT CARD NUMBERS couldnt vote...

the list goes on. the stupid thing is most of the people (im sorry bad memory again) were in one state! that one state was mostly going for AL gore...

and then when it looked like he (bush) wasnt going to win, they restarted the vote!!

Nobody liked him then, there was no one but protesters at his parade, and people through eggs at his limo...

And then what happens? He goes off and starts "a war on terrorism" and all of a sudden EVERYONE FORGETS!!!

WTF!!

surely youve red michal moores book!

sorry, im ranting..

but you get my point. bush is a bad guy.

I geuss thats why Bush has won the most votes out of any President in American History....

One: Most Americans agree, Michael Moore is a radical liberal who twists things into his own point of view, my liberal father even doesn't approve of Michael Moore.

Two:This all has nothing to do with Knowing about our terrorist enemys.

Three: They have hated since when we started supporting Israel......over 750 Americans have died in Terrorist attacks in the past 20 years, before 9/11.... Now people hate Bush more for actually going after terrorists, which no one has done before him.....oh wait, Clinton sent a missle at an aspiren factory and an abanndoned terrorist camp....thats REALLY going after those guys.....

Forth: Liberalism/Democratic ideas have been pounding me, not Republic ideas....Only recently have I decided to be a republican. And man I can't escape from you guys either....now your saying the only reason I became a republican is becuase every one else around me is liberal.....oh please, come on.....


And proof please that he 'cheated' to get into power, if he 'cheated' to get into power then the Democratic people of the government would probably try and impeach President Bush, which hasn't happened.....

and I think your talking about Florida, which has voted for Bush twice.... and it was al gore that looked like he wasn't going to win so they had a recount of votes.

and actually there were many supporters of Bush at his parades, but thats not exciting so the News only covers the protesters part of his parade becuase thats more interesting then the supporters.....that is a fact. Thats why american news always has murders and such on t.v. cause thats more interesting then other segments they could do.

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That happened after 9/11, not after Iraq war..... and thats the misjudgement of the police officers, not Bush. And you can get arrested, but not have a trial. A trial is simply judging on how much jail time/punishment you will have. Many Americans are arrested for suspisions on many things, but are released on that same day, provide proof please that arabic-muslems were arrested AND sent to jail(for an amount of time [in years]) with out a trial...

Also, Russia wasn't stupid.....they were a goverment and a country-just like the United States. Al Queda had no government, and has no country, they don't have to worry about being invaded becuase they have no country to get invaded. They have the middle east and all they have to worry about is America invaded and country that harbors them. Russia nuking the United States ment death wish for them, Al Queda nuking the United States means they can get away with it scott free, well almost. VERY DIFFERENT.

Also, what freedoms have been restricted now? Oh ya the patriot act, it was a good read, nothing in there that effects me or any one I know. All it is, is the government is now able to eves drop on your phone calls, wow, oh no! GOOD!!! thats how the 19 terrorists comunicated in America to plan out their 9/11 attack. I think the government should be able to eves drop if they want.

And I don't remember anything in the Constitution that says, People have the freedom to make phone calls with out any one listening in....

Ummm privacy? Why don't you take a look at it again...

"A country that sacrifices it's liberties for the sake of safety deserves neither." - Benjamin Franklin. You know why it isn't in the Constitution? Because phones didn't exist. Of course, you could always say the founding fathers were off, throw out the constitution, and go and get those Arabs out of your country. Hey, a trial is actually where they determine if you're innocent or guilty, then a Judge will determine the sentence. Of course, people are stupid enough to buy into the scare tactics of this administration, so it won't be too long until the actual third Reich is established. HEIL BUSH!

Wow, what a blatant lie. That is not why George Bush had the most votes out of any President in history. As you can see from this site, George Bush had 62,040,610 votes, that's 50.73% of the total voting population, while John Kerry had 59,028,111 votes, which translates to 48.27% of the total voting poulation. He had the most votes because more of the population turned out to vote than in the last 20 years. But the percentage by which he won (a mere 2.46%) makes this probably the closest American Presidential election in the last 50 years. So, that means that only half of the population supports Bush. Which means that not everyone agrees with him, or you. And even if they did, the popularity of an opinion in no way makes it correct. Look at Islam, for instance. It's the biggest religion in the world, but you disagree with it, don't you?

Did you guys know that extreme paranoia is a symptom of long-standing cocaine addiction? Maybe ol' Dubya's "little" problem is back... It's just an idea.