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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Darcan on 2005-05-08 at 12:52:05
I don't know how it is in U.S.A., but in Sweden they are going to stop all illegal dowloading from the internet. angry.gif I think that sucks, cry.gif but are they able to do it confused.gif maybe, maybe not. How are they going to stop it? I have no idea. they can't watch every computor that goes in to etc Kazaa, DC++ and other similar sites.
Avery artist complain about ppl that downloads their music, but i don't understand they got so damn much many anyway. ranting.gif what a heck are they complaining about. there are still millons of ppl that buy's their albums.
this is mine oppinion, I don't know what you guys think of it so now i want yours oppinion.
Their are so many millon of ppl in the world that dowloads from the internet I don't think it should be illegal.
But, now they are going to sell MP3 files in music stores which i think is a very good idea. okay now it maybe sounds that i'm against the illagal downloading, but i'm not. i just think it's a good idea. biggrin.gif
i just hope they don't stop the dowmloading. if they do i'm going to go crazy. w00t.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-05-08 at 13:41:03
These musicians makes it sound like their only source of income is through albums. Last time I checked, there are other ways to get money through your music. Like, concerts for example, or if you're popular enough, do a commercial or something, or just go on a radio/talk show. Hell, sometimes movies have to pay the aritists so they could be able to use their music, or some comedian would have to pay them so they could cover their song or something. (Of course, they're not always paid, but that's a diff discussion) I'm not an expert on music at all, just I know for a fact there are multiple ways to make money with your music. Album selling is not the only one. I mean, there's rich, then there's just filthy rich. I think some of them are bitching because they're just rich.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-05-08 at 13:44:51
QUOTE(Some guy in the music business i met)
Suing people for downloading music was only to scare people out of it


Im still downloading, anyway, i have about... 14 dled songs.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KaboomHahahein on 2005-05-08 at 13:46:31
[justify]I think they don't care much about the money since they already have enough. It is a bit like stealing peoples maps. And if they let people get free music without buying anything, then eventually they will lose a lot of money. It is like giving away 1 penny. Eventually you will loose a lot of money if you keep on doing that. I find it a bit ironic that they are not allowing ILLegal downloads seeing as it is already illegal. As if they always allowed illegal things and we are complaining because they are not letting us doing illegal things.[/justify]
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-05-08 at 13:59:43
The guy also said that CD sales are starting to level up instead of rapidly drop down too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Clokr_ on 2005-05-08 at 14:00:40
They can do it. They just have to kill internet... oh wait then thousands of people will go to the street and they will kill the goverment... right they cant.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-05-08 at 14:17:43
Or they could ban personal computers, and make it so that all computers in the place are under strict government control, but that would be, besides impractical and costly, very annoying to the citizens.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-05-08 at 14:28:13
If that whole computer thing happens, I'm seriously gonna get a sniper rifle, and start shooting bitches. There is a line on freedom, and they just done crossed it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tdnfthe1 on 2005-05-08 at 14:36:55
QUOTE(EzDay2 @ May 8 2005, 12:17 PM)
Or they could ban personal computers, and make it so that all computers in the place are under strict government control, but that would be, besides impractical and costly, very annoying to the citizens.
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They can simply shutdown high income and download servers, ports, and supporters. Such as kazaa, emeal, etc. All of these are supported by connections, or servers. They can cut down the network where it all happens. Why don't they just do it? They can't it's against the law because it's a network owned by a group. And networks like kazaa don't only offer downloading of music, they also offer videos, pictures, software, many others things. There are more and more reasons to, or not to shutdown these networks. Why don't they just do it? Cuz the people owning Kazaa are smart enough to allow the government into their system. So the government has full access, but can't shut down the entire system themself. They would have go through a very long lawsuit problem, which would defenitely take longer then a year. And then the people owning kazaa would just make another network, and get word out about it.

But the only real way the government can get rid of these networks is by payoff. Paying off the networks to shutdown their systems, and sign a contract for each person doing something on the network to never again be in touch with software sharing networks. That is the only easy way, and it's not easy because the government would have to payout alot of money...

Another reason of why they don't really need to ban it, is because kazaa, emeal, etc. is a common loop hole for many rappers, gangbangers, and arrogant people(yes the government official on dealing with music software sharing said this in an interview on newstalk). So they simply added 1 thing into the network...Spyware, adware, and the common cold virus. These things might of already existed, but did you notice they were not a big issue before about 1999 when the government started adressing the issue of downloading free music? It was transplanted into the system, and leeches from software sharer to software sharer. Now the government assumes that the average person using these software share networks wont be able to deal with things such as spyware and adware removal. And it's true, so they thought that spyware and adware would scare people out of downloading free music. It hasn't, because people are smart and make anti software. Now that this has happened, the government feels they must step in themselves. This is not only in america, this has happened in china, russia, Korea, and Canada.

To sum it up, the government has to go through alot of hassle to shutdown the networks, because they have many other scandals of theirs revealed, so they must do their best to not address the media of their scandal. Wish i knew everything about what they've done to us... but i dont cry.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by O)FaRTy1billion on 2005-05-08 at 14:37:46
You have to buy an album to rip the album tongue.gif
Also they just want more money. (Like they don't have enough already?!)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-05-08 at 15:03:26
The internet may just be our only chance of ever getting world peace. I don't like it when some goverments try to ruin it with viruses and spyware.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)RuFF on 2005-05-08 at 15:12:40
i dont think music artists give a damn. Last year, there was a chaos with the music dling and people got sued, but the government just doesnt care anymore i think
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-05-08 at 16:40:24
Some artists are even going against the idea of stopping free downloads. Before the ability of downloading music off the internet, many music was shared freely, there always exsisted bands covering other bands and sharing music freely. Chumbawamba is even offering free music of theirs.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by iamacow on 2005-05-09 at 14:53:59
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ May 8 2005, 02:03 PM)
The internet may just be our only chance of ever getting world peace. I don't like it when some goverments try to ruin it with viruses and spyware.
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QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ May 8 2005, 02:03 PM)
If that whole computer thing happens, I'm seriously gonna get a sniper rifle, and start shooting bitches. There is a line on freedom, and they just done crossed it.
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What?
He said that it was one way they could enforce piracy laws, not that they were planning on it. The internet is not our only chance for world peace. Are you saying that the government is planting viruses and spyware throughout the internet or something?

Anyway, internet piracy is not likely to be stopped any time soon, even if drastic measures are taken. The sheer amount of people doing it from around the world makes it near impossible to stop. I can download music, movies, games, all kinds of crap if I bother to look for 5 minutes I can find nearly anything I need.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Clokr_ on 2005-05-09 at 15:03:45
QUOTE(Tdnfthe1 @ May 8 2005, 07:36 PM)
They can simply shutdown high income and download servers, ports, and supporters. Such as kazaa, emeal, etc. ...
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Where would you get that from? Most of those programs connect to foreign servers. They can connect to a server that's anywhere in the world, and work from it.

What the goverment would do is create laws to make the ISPs add filters to ban most of the downloading pages, and maybe they would extend it to ban the porn pages and such too.
The few stupid people that believe in the goverment and in that kind of things like prohibiting that (yes, that people exists) would help to improve the filter.
I don't know what they would do about the sharing programs like eMule or Kazaa.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe)r( on 2005-05-09 at 19:55:08
im tired of this "illegal downloaded" sh*t (IF ITS ILLEGAL THEN WHY ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE STILL DOING IT"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-05-09 at 20:07:04
If it's illegal to steal from the local gas-station, why do elementary kids do it?
They're getting things for free, they're not losing anything, and they don't give a crap about that law in that context.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-05-09 at 20:08:07
I still buy a hearty share of music via CDs. However, I find downloading music practical for me at least. I might like one song (that's one and only one) off of an album, so I might download that. It also gives me a nice chance to sample an artist (that's how I got into Dvorak and Tchaikovsky!). I've bought numerous CDs of their's (not like they care). The biggest benefit to downloading music is to sample it, I'd say. I don't believe in downloading an entire album, but to see if you like a song or not, now that's pretty fair. I mean, after all, I wouldn't want to pay good money for a piece of crap. Besides, you can find some very rare pieces on KaZaA and whatnot.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by re_casper on 2005-05-09 at 20:14:48
well i think that music protection is impossible in US cuz there are too many comp freaks in US (look at SEN) if they destroy all dling music blizzard shuts down, cuz we get music, put it into maps, then let others dl them. They gotta kill blizz for this then.... Also the internet is too hard to control. The only reason why we have so many friggin virusses is cuz that the internet is so wide. The internet is where people can do things they normally will not do. Something like wot i am doing right now. talking to strangers...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MindArchon on 2005-05-10 at 20:59:43
I think its in Canada where downloading music is not illegal, its only illegal to uploading it smile.gif

Just a question. Is it only the music business that is making a big deal of this?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-05-10 at 22:05:03
Movies are too. Saw a commerical at the movie theatres talking about DOWNLOADING MOVIES IS PIRACY. Yet they show pirates of the carribbean, I don't know. (For the really slow, cause I'm afraid some people can't comprehend sarcasm.....the last sentence was not serious)
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